Vaccine is killing more people than covid

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Magenta

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If you believe that then go ahead and wear a mask. Doesn't mean you should be able to mandate it to the rest of us.
Whoever told you I was mandating masks for "the rest of you" lied to you.

Would you undergo a surgical procedure if none of the medical team was wearing a mask?

Also, do you believe hand washing helps curb the spread of aerosols?
 
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joecoten

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Masks may not completely stop anything but they help prevent the spread of pathogens.
Not COVID. I have COPD. Masks make it difficult to breathe. This may trigger an angina attack with me. My doctor informs me that these can be potentially fatal. As well as very painful...and stressful!
Try not wearing a mask when the protocol is in effect. The resulting conflict would cause me stress, and along with a possible angina attack, stress is the #1 trigger for Lupus flares. Untreated Lupus has a 40% 5-year survival rate.
Due to other health issues, the only safe treatment for me is HCQ. It is not only effective for Lupus, it is the safest drug I've ever taken. I can't get it in my area because it has been deemed deadly due to it messing up the Covid agenda.
I suffer every day of my life due to this whole pandemic/plandemic/scamdemic and the masses that are controlled by fear caused by the lying MSM.
The Mennonites in my area don't wear masks, are not vaccinated, nor kowtow to any of the other measures put forth in dealing with this virus. They have developed herd immunity.
 

ZNP

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Whoever told you I was mandating masks for "the rest of you" lied to you.
Let's address these.

There is no debate if you are not arguing for a mask mandate. No one has had any issue with people wearing masks prior to the mandate, the only issue anyone has is being forced to wear a mask when it is not necessary or even healthy.

Would you undergo a surgical procedure if none of the medical team was wearing a mask?
This sounds relevant, but it isn't. Doctors wear masks not to prevent a virus from being spread but to prevent droplets from their mouth going into the open wound of someone they are operating on. During an operation a doctor will be talking and he/she will have their hands in your body as well as looking carefully which brings their face close to your body.

We have plastic barriers at cashiers and other places that prevent droplets from hitting people. Not only so but social distancing of three feet will protect you.

Yes, putting a mask on would add extra protection, but there is a very steep cost. Kids wear dirty masks for 8 hours at school, their carbon dioxide levels rise in their blood making it very difficult to concentrate much less learn. Not only so but breathing through a dirty mask with snot and bacteria growing in it is far more dangerous to the kid's health than any benefit to others in preventing a droplet from hitting them.

This issue doesn't apply to doctors, they will throw away the mask after the operation is over. They don't walk around the hospital for 8 hours with a mask on. They put a new, clean mask on, do the operation and then discard the mask.

And it is unreasonable to mandate this mask. If you are worried about droplets from people hitting you in the face then you can wear a mask.

Again, this debate is over mask mandates, no one cares if you wear a mask, they only care if you are forcing them to.


Also, do you believe hand washing helps curb the spread of aerosols?
Washing hands has been proven to slow the spread of transmissible diseases. It is a health practice that is given in the Bible. It is good hygiene. Whether or not it helps with the spread of aerosols is irrelevant as it is a practice that everyone should learn and practice.

That said, using soap and water should be the method used to wash hands except in all but the most extreme situation. Soap and water causes everything on the hands to be washed off. It isn't "killing germs" so much as simply washing them down the drain. When you use a hand cleaner that kills "99%" of the germs you are not only being an idiot, but you are doing more harm to the health of society. On your hand their might be a billion germs. 99% "dead" means there are 10 million that aren't and that now have a great food supply, the 99% of germs that died. Soon your hands will be covered with resistant germs. Maybe they are harmless, maybe they aren't. But germs will reproduce, replicate and pass on their resistance to future generations. Soon you will have hands filled with deadly resistant pathogens that you created by using these "cleaners" that kill "99%" of the germs.
 

ZNP

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Not COVID. I have COPD. Masks make it difficult to breathe. This may trigger an angina attack with me. My doctor informs me that these can be potentially fatal. As well as very painful...and stressful!
Try not wearing a mask when the protocol is in effect. The resulting conflict would cause me stress, and along with a possible angina attack, stress is the #1 trigger for Lupus flares. Untreated Lupus has a 40% 5-year survival rate.
Due to other health issues, the only safe treatment for me is HCQ. It is not only effective for Lupus, it is the safest drug I've ever taken. I can't get it in my area because it has been deemed deadly due to it messing up the Covid agenda.
I suffer every day of my life due to this whole pandemic/plandemic/scamdemic and the masses that are controlled by fear caused by the lying MSM.
The Mennonites in my area don't wear masks, are not vaccinated, nor kowtow to any of the other measures put forth in dealing with this virus. They have developed herd immunity.
OK, I get it, their herds are immune, but do they mandate the cows to wear masks?
 

Magenta

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Not COVID. I have COPD. Masks make it difficult to breathe. This may trigger an angina attack with me. My doctor informs me that these can be potentially fatal. As well as very painful...and stressful!
Try not wearing a mask when the protocol is in effect. The resulting conflict would cause me stress, and along with a possible angina attack, stress is the #1 trigger for Lupus flares. Untreated Lupus has a 40% 5-year survival rate.
Due to other health issues, the only safe treatment for me is HCQ. It is not only effective for Lupus, it is the safest drug I've ever taken. I can't get it in my area because it has been deemed deadly due to it messing up the Covid agenda.
I suffer every day of my life due to this whole pandemic/plandemic/scamdemic and the masses that are controlled by fear caused by the lying MSM.
The Mennonites in my area don't wear masks, are not vaccinated, nor kowtow to any of the other measures put forth in dealing with this virus. They have developed herd immunity.
Yes, covid. I was going to ask you if you had used or tried HCQ for your lupus. I am sorry to hear that so many conspiracy theorist adherents messed with your ability to get medication that may have been helpful to you. The toxic levels some consumed while self medicating killed them, and HCQ actually increased the mortality rates of people who already had the virus. Have Mennonites reached herd immunity, or just generally been more isolated from the general population? I am not very familiar with the Mennonites in Ontario, though I have a lovely sister in law who was brought up in that fashion. PS~ I do not listen to MSM.
 

Magenta

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Would you undergo a surgical procedure if none of the medical team was wearing a mask?

Also, do you believe hand washing helps curb the spread of aerosols?

Crickets
 

ZNP

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Your question is too vague.

1. If I was in a car accident and was bleeding out but a doctor was there who could stop the bleeding but didn't have a mask, yes, I would prefer to be saved and not die even if he wasn't wearing a mask.

2. If this were the apocalypse and the hospital has no masks but if I didn't get the operation then yes, save my life and I'll take that risk.

3. If this is a scheduled operation and I notice that the hospital does not follow standard practices, appears unclean, and they don't have PPE, then no, I'd go schedule my operation at another hospital.

In this hypothetical quesiton -- am I in the Amazon? A third world country? Or at the best hospital in the world but my surgeon is just a slob?

I have already answered the hand washing question, it is stupid. I believe it is a basic hygiene that everyone should practice and that was given to us in the Bible regardless of whether or not it prevents the spread of every type of disease there is.
 

Magenta

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Your question is too vague.
My question was straightforward. No need to add all your evasions in the form of more hypotheticals.

I'll take your answer as a no. Because you actually do believe in the efficacy of masks.

Even if they are not 100% effective, 100% of the time.
 

ZNP

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My question was straightforward. No need to add all your evasions in the form of more hypotheticals.

I'll take your answer as a no. Because you actually do believe in the efficacy of masks.

Even if they are not 100% effective, 100% of the time.
yes, they are effective at keeping droplets which a are billion times bigger than a virus from landing in an open wound. (we have chain link fences to keep out dogs, not flies).

You are the evasive one. I already said that in my first response. I also pointed out that for a doctor who puts on a new mask when they do an operation and then throws it in the garbage when done it makes sense.

Mandating this for kids in school is a completely different situation.

I have also answered that masks are useless at preventing the spread of a virus, whether worn by doctors in the operating room or by anyone else. Doctors do not wear them for that reason, they wear them to prevent droplets.

I also pointed out in my first response which you have evaded, that we have other equally effective ways to prevent droplets like the plastic shields at the checkout and by social distancing of 3 feet.

Now you said you are not interested in mandating masks and I have said that I don't care if you wear a mask. If you wish to wear a mask to prevent droplets from hitting your face go for it. But if this is not about mandating masks for others to wear why do you persist in a pointless, idiotic discussion?

I don't care if you wear a mask. I don't care if you wear two masks. I don't care if you walk around with a paper bag over your head.
 
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joecoten

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HCQ is an effective treatment for COVID. Dr. Zelenko's Z-Stack has saved many lives. It comes down to whom you believe. I believe that safe and effective treatments like HCQ, Ivermectin, and others were purposely demonized so that the gene-altering jab would be injected into the masses.
Then came the vaccine card, along with talk of putting financial and other personal info on it. For security sake, people like Bill Gates are talking about things like tattoos and micro-chips. There is talk of a cashless society, as this would be cheaper, more secure, and would end a route of virus transmission. It doesn't take a genius to see where all this is heading to...666.
Dr. Yuval Harari, right-hand man of Klaus Schwab, and Mengele on steroids, wants to hack people. He says there are too many useless people in the world. If you listen to this guy, you'll soon realize that he is psychotic and satanic. A man that no one would take seriously except, perhaps, his husband.
But Harari and Schwab are deadly serious, as they lead many of the world's business interests, and have infiltrated, or as Schwab says, penetrated, the Canadian government. Trudeau is a member, and our deputy prime minister Kristia Freeland, is a WEF board member. They have joined with the United Nations. Together, they are the very definition of fascism.
A mask for surgery is another subject. Well, what do you think? Would you want someone dribbling into your wound?
For years, I lived completely alone, and whenever I returned from an outing, I washed my hands. I'd also trained myself to keep my fingers out of my eyes, nose, and mouth. In 6 years, I had 2, perhaps 3 viruses. These happened when I forgot to wash my hands.
If they were serious about stopping the spread, they would've pushed latex gloves. A mask may stop some spread, but the virus is so small that it goes right through the mask. Now if proper masks were used...
BTW...what happened to the flu? This question has brought me so many crickets that I could feed myself for a week. Canada Health is now requiring that beef be labelled for it's "health risks." Cricket stew...mmm,mmm,mmm! Don't believe me?
The globalist elites have nothing but disdain for us common folk. And they are planning to cull us. Man-made pandemics, homosexuality, abortion, suicide. Don't be misled by their propaganda. We are in an information war. Truth against lies.
We...are in the last days...of the end of...the age of grace!
We are on the road...to our home...in the New Jerusalem...hallelujah!
 
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joecoten

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The seine net is closing. We're all just passing through anyway...no big loss!
 
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joecoten

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BTW...I wasn't calling you stupid. Cute, maybe, but not stupid!
 
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joecoten

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In Canada, if I'm not terminal and I choose to end my life, the government will
You mean, passing through the net like a virus through a mask? :D
There's no passing through this net! Though it may be possible to swim out while there's still an opening, though I think most of us would need to escape. Passivity, like the kind caused by smoking weed, which, btw is now legal in Canada, what a coincidence, will sink the ship. Harari says that all of us eaters should take dope and play video games.
 

GaryA

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I know what you meant - I was just using the word-associations to be amusing.
 
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joecoten

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I gotcha, though I did turn the subject back to serious. I don't get out much, and too much reality can turn me too serious. Sigh! People are waking up, though I don't know how much or how fast. It can seem like a bad dream.
What's better...to know much, along with not being able to do anything about it, or to not be aware. I opt for the former. If enough of us force open our eyes and refuse to believe the propaganda, we have hope. But maybe this is the time prophesied...it's sure beginning to look like it.