It is FINISHED.

[ForestGreenCook]

Please tell me what is "spiritual" in the gospel message. The message is one about trusting in what Christ did for you. Doctrines about being in fellowship with the Lord and being filled with the Spirit ARE spiritual things. Not the gospel.

As I've said, unbelievers can and do understand the gospel, even though you seem ignorant about that fact.


Of course.


So what's your point? There are lots of very confused among envangelicals. Just read these forums and threads. Ignorance abounds.


Of course.


Right. So, prove otherwise, if you can.


There is no comparison between new believers and unbelievers. Both can understand the simple gospel message.

What you describe here is about spiritual growth, which the unbeliever CANNOT understand. That's the difference. It's not the gospel message, but doctrines that lead to spiritual growth that the unbeliever is incapable of understanding.


The "things of the Spirit" refer to those doctrines that lead to spiritual growth, which the unbeliever cannot understand.

I'm talking about the gospel. It is for EVERYONE. Titus 2:11 says the grace of God offers salvation to everyone. This verse would be totally meaningless IF unbelievers can't understand the gospel.

The doctrine of Jesus gives all of the glory for mankind's eternal salvation to God, without any action on the behalf of mankind. Daniel 4:35.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Such an easy question. I was surprised by the wrong answers you were given.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

You can't just decide to turn away from sin. There is no power within people to be able to. The power resides with the Lord Jesus.

When a person turns to the Lord Jesus that is when they are given the ability, the blessing of turning from sin.

So repenting of sin isn't changing your mind. Although that is a symptom. Repenting is turning to the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is the one that changes your mind.


Which I think was what you were saying...


The simple answer to your question of 'how does one receive the new';
Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The "rest" that Jesus has reference to in verse 28 is not eternal rest, but is a rest they receive as they sojourn here on earth if they obey his commandment.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Wow. So then, one is saved by their lifestyle. That is what you are agreeing to. Both of you.

But, just to be clear, could either of you explain how one "receives the new"? Sounds rather obtuse. Can anyone clear that up?

Thanks.

Such an easy question.

Yes, and yet, you failed to answer that easy question. IE: how to receive the new?

I was surprised by the wrong answers you were given.

Happens a lot.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

You can't just decide to turn away from sin. There is no power within people to be able to. The power resides with the Lord Jesus.

Are you suggesting that "turning from sin" is "how to receive the new", or how to be saved???

When a person turns to the Lord Jesus that is when they are given the ability, the blessing of turning from sin.

So repenting of sin isn't changing your mind.

I didn't say that repenting of "of sin". To repent means to change your mind. And to be saved, there are a number of ideas that much be changed.

Although that is a symptom. Repenting is turning to the Lord Jesus. The Lord Jesus is the one that changes your mind.

Can you be more specific about how one "turns to the Lord Jesus". I haven't found any verse that makes that statement.

And what you have described is akin to puppetry. But God the Father is no puppet master.

Which I think was what you were saying...
The simple answer to your question of 'how does one receive the new';
Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Do you know what that "rest" is about?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Please tell me what is "spiritual" in the gospel message. The message is one about trusting in what Christ did for you. Doctrines about being in fellowship with the Lord and being filled with the Spirit ARE spiritual things. Not the gospel.

The doctrine of Jesus gives all of the glory for mankind's eternal salvation to God, without any action on the behalf of mankind. Daniel 4:35.

You didn't explain what is spiritual in the gospel message. Can you, since you claim the gospel IS a spiritual message.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

FreeGrace2 said:
Please tell me what is "spiritual" in the gospel message. The message is one about trusting in what Christ did for you. Doctrines about being in fellowship with the Lord and being filled with the Spirit ARE spiritual things. Not the gospel.

You didn't explain what is spiritual in the gospel message. Can you, since you claim the gospel IS a spiritual message.

2 Tim 3:16-17 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Would you not agree that all of the scriptures, if inspired by a spiritual God, are spiritual? You haven't convinced me yet that doctrinal food is spiritual, but baby (babes in Christ) food is not spiritual.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Should I suppose you meant to add true repentance to this or was this ommission intentional?

BTW, "believing" is so much more than mere acceptance of God's plan.

AAMOF good works resulting from true faith is the only evidence to ourselves & others that we actually live by faith.

The just shall "LIVE" by faith, not just accept it!

I see nowhere in the scriptures telling us to accept God's plan. God does not plan things. God purposes things. There in no plan of salvation taught in the scriptures.

 

[FreeGrace2]

2 Tim 3:16-17 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Would you not agree that all of the scriptures, if inspired by a spiritual God, are spiritual?

No, I wouldn't. But I fully agree that ALL Scripture IS profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction.

The doctrines associated with spiritual growth cannot be understood by the unbeliever because they are unable to grow spiritually. They must be born again first.

But, salvation is not spiritual issue, but rather a trust issue.

You haven't convinced me yet that doctrinal food is spiritual, but baby (babes in Christ) food is not spiritual.

I didn't say this. I think you misunderstand. All Scripture that is associated with the Christian life IS spiritual.

But I'm talking about unbelievers. They must be Christians first, before they can understand spiritual food.

Again, the gospel is a trust issue. Not a spiritual issue.

1 Cor 2:14 says the natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to them, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All trust issues CAN be understood by anyone, believer or unbeliever.

Over the years there have been articles written in magazines such as Time and Newsweek by unbelievers who write columns on religion, and they show that they fully understand the gospel message yet they are not believing it.

Therefore proving that the natural man CAN and does understand the gospel message.

What they can't understand is how to grow up spiritually, how to be in fellowship with the Lord, how to be filled with the Spirit, etc.

It is the Calvinist influence on evangelicalism that claims that unbelievers cannot understand the gospel. This allows them to claim that they must first be regenerated in order to understand the gospel. But this is the cart before the horse.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No, I wouldn't. But I fully agree that ALL Scripture IS profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction.

The doctrines associated with spiritual growth cannot be understood by the unbeliever because they are unable to grow spiritually. They must be born again first.

But, salvation is not spiritual issue, but rather a trust issue.


I didn't say this. I think you misunderstand. All Scripture that is associated with the Christian life IS spiritual.

But I'm talking about unbelievers. They must be Christians first, before they can understand spiritual food.

Again, the gospel is a trust issue. Not a spiritual issue.

1 Cor 2:14 says the natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to them, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All trust issues CAN be understood by anyone, believer or unbeliever.

Over the years there have been articles written in magazines such as Time and Newsweek by unbelievers who write columns on religion, and they show that they fully understand the gospel message yet they are not believing it.

Therefore proving that the natural man CAN and does understand the gospel message.

What they can't understand is how to grow up spiritually, how to be in fellowship with the Lord, how to be filled with the Spirit, etc.

It is the Calvinist influence on evangelicalism that claims that unbelievers cannot understand the gospel. This allows them to claim that they must first be regenerated in order to understand the gospel. But this is the cart before the horse.

To my understand, respectfully, I think that you are misinterpreting 1 Cor 2:14. and that you have the cart before the horse. Some of your statements tend to remind me of the wide gate and the straight gate. In my interpretation of those scriptures The wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction, are those that go into the wide gate are born again children of God who are going about teaching and preaching false doctrines. They may fit in your mistaken understanding that the un-regenerated person (1 Cor 2:14) is able to understand the gospel (baby food) but not able to understand the deep things of the Spirit (doctrine) They are "lost" from the full knowledge of what Jesus did for them. I think an example of this is taught in Romans 10:1-3, "having a zeal of God" (indication of being born again [new born babes in Christ]

The straight gate and narrow way representing those that have been revealed, by the Holy Spirit, the true knowledge of what Jesus has accomplished.. The "life" that they are lead to is not eternal life, but an abundant life of having the full knowledge of what Jesus has accomplished for them with the instruction from Jesus to teach those that go into the wide gate the knowledge of what Jesus has done for them, so they will not depend upon the works of the old law to deliver them to heaven. Saved by God's sovereign grace and not by their good works.

Sorry about going to this much explaining, but I think this may enlighten you to our different understandings.

 

[FreeGrace2]

To my understand, respectfully, I think that you are misinterpreting 1 Cor 2:14. and that you have the cart before the horse.

Since the evidence of unbelievers being fully able to accurately describe biblical salvation is out there, I am not misinterpreting 1 Cor 2:14.

Some of your statements tend to remind me of the wide gate and the straight gate. In my interpretation of those scriptures The wide gate and broad way that leads to destruction, are those that go into the wide gate are born again children of God who are going about teaching and preaching false doctrines.

Well, it is clear that we don't have the same understanding of verses. The wide gate represent unbelievers going the easy road to hell, while the narrow gate represents believers, since the "narrow gate" is Jesus Christ, the ONLY way, ONLY truth and ONLY life.

[QOUTE] They may fit in your mistaken understanding that the un-regenerated person (1 Cor 2:14) is able to understand the gospel (baby food)[/QUOTE]
No. Baby food is for believers. It's what they begin with in order to grow up. Unbelievers in your analogy have NOTHING to eat.

But the gospel isn't about eating. It is about trusting, something anyone can do.

but not able to understand the deep things of the Spirit (doctrine)

Yes, immature and baby believers do not understand the deep things of the Spirit. But all this is irrelevant to the unbeliever.

Sorry about going to this much explaining, but I think this may enlighten you to our different understandings.

Again, there is ample evidence of unbelievers who DO understand the gospel message all the while NOT believing it to be true.

So that proves that 1 Cor 2:14 isn't about the gospel.

 

[BroTan]

You have not correctly understood the Law of Grace which is the Blood AND Body of Jesus Christ- The Lamb of God - Blood AND Body.

God’s Mercy triumphs over His Judgment when He sees the Blood of the Lamb which takes our sin away but His Blood does NOT give us His Righteousness… His Body gives us the Righteousness of God which is the human fulfillment of ALL that God required of us - ALL of the Law of Moses INCLUDING the Ten Commandments.

Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS including the Ten Commandments for us… The Lord Our Righteousness.

It’s NOT about works anymore, our focus needs to be on LOVE.

God has opened the door to Him, He has torn the veil…. He’s not looking at our works… He has fulfilled all the works for salvation. He’s looking at our hearts if they are seeking to know Him and to love Him… I looooooove Him! He is worthy of all my love!

Those that give Him all their love, He will reveal Himself to them and they will know Him and experience His Love for them. He gives them His Holy Spirit which fills us and empower us to do good works, not for salvation but for the Kingdom of God.

We do NOT fear judgment nor the fiery lake of fire. Hallelujah!

You have not correctly understood the Law of Grace which is the Blood AND Body of Jesus Christ- The Lamb of God - Blood AND Body.

God’s Mercy triumphs over His Judgment when He sees the Blood of the Lamb which takes our sin away but His Blood does NOT give us His Righteousness… His Body gives us the Righteousness of God which is the human fulfillment of ALL that God required of us - ALL of the Law of Moses INCLUDING the Ten Commandments.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

It’s NOT about works anymore, our focus needs to be on LOVE.

Paul talks about two type of works, but let's talk about the love and the works one have to put into it. Because Pauls says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

God has opened the door to Him, He has torn the veil…. He’s not looking at our works… He has fulfilled all the works for salvation. He’s looking at our hearts if they are seeking to know Him and to love Him… I looooooove Him! He is worthy of all my love!

Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works.

We do NOT fear judgment nor the fiery lake of fire. Hallelujah!

Let's go into the future on this on in Isaiah 66: 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Reading this I feel fear because this is what happen when you transgress against the Lord. Because in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

 

[Grandpa]

FreeGrace2 said:
Wow. So then, one is saved by their lifestyle. That is what you are agreeing to. Both of you.

But, just to be clear, could either of you explain how one "receives the new"? Sounds rather obtuse. Can anyone clear that up?

Thanks.

Yes, and yet, you failed to answer that easy question. IE: how to receive the new?


Happens a lot.


Are you suggesting that "turning from sin" is "how to receive the new", or how to be saved???


I didn't say that repenting of "of sin". To repent means to change your mind. And to be saved, there are a number of ideas that much be changed.


Can you be more specific about how one "turns to the Lord Jesus". I haven't found any verse that makes that statement.

And what you have described is akin to puppetry. But God the Father is no puppet master.


Do you know what that "rest" is about?

Ezekiel 36:24-27
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

 

[Grandpa]

The "rest" that Jesus has reference to in verse 28 is not eternal rest, but is a rest they receive as they sojourn here on earth if they obey his commandment.

At what point do these "sojourners" have to give back the Rest they have received and go back to work?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Since the evidence of unbelievers being fully able to accurately describe biblical salvation is out there, I am not misinterpreting 1 Cor 2:14.


Well, it is clear that we don't have the same understanding of verses. The wide gate represent unbelievers going the easy road to hell, while the narrow gate represents believers, since the "narrow gate" is Jesus Christ, the ONLY way, ONLY truth and ONLY life.

[QOUTE] They may fit in your mistaken understanding that the un-regenerated person (1 Cor 2:14) is able to understand the gospel (baby food)

No. Baby food is for believers. It's what they begin with in order to grow up. Unbelievers in your analogy have NOTHING to eat.

But the gospel isn't about eating. It is about trusting, something anyone can do.


Yes, immature and baby believers do not understand the deep things of the Spirit. But all this is irrelevant to the unbeliever.


Again, there is ample evidence of unbelievers who DO understand the gospel message all the while NOT believing it to be true.

So that proves that 1 Cor 2:14 isn't about the gospel.[/QUOTE]
Does not the scriptures say that the amount of people that are to inherit eternal life are numbered as many as the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore, too numerous to count?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So that proves that 1 Cor 2:14 isn't about the gospel.

Maybe in your mind, but not in the scriptures, if you want them to harmonize.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

At what point do these "sojourners" have to give back the Rest they have received and go back to work?

Respectfully, I don't believe that they ever quit working, in fact, I believe that they began to work much more from their place of rest. They were heaven laden in their labor. The "rest" is a result of Jesus teaching them the knowledge of what God sent him to earth to do.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Wow. So then, one is saved by their lifestyle. That is what you are agreeing to. Both of you.

But, just to be clear, could either of you explain how one "receives the new"? Sounds rather obtuse. Can anyone clear that up?

Thanks.

Ezekiel 36:24-27
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This doesn't answer the question about HOW one "receives the new".

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Neither does this verse.

John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

OK, the word "receive" is in this sentence. But it doesn't answer my question.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Since the evidence of unbelievers being fully able to accurately describe biblical salvation is out there, I am not misinterpreting 1 Cor 2:14.

No. Baby food is for believers.

Yes, that is my point. It's not for the "natural man".

It's what they begin with in order to grow up. Unbelievers in your analogy have NOTHING to eat.

Exactly. They aren't able to "grow up" since they haven't been born again yet.

Does not the scriptures say that the amount of people that are to inherit eternal life are numbered as many as the stars in heaven and the sand on the seashore, too numerous to count?

What does this have to do with the discussion about 1 Cor 2:14?

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
So that proves that 1 Cor 2:14 isn't about the gospel.

Maybe in your mind, but not in the scriptures, if you want them to harmonize.

I've already given evidence that unbelievers CAN understand the gospel. So, to you, the Bible doesn't harmonize with evidence?

Evidence is reality. And you are arguing that the Bible doesn't harmonize with reality then.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I've already given evidence that unbelievers CAN understand the gospel.

No you haven't.

 

[Lafftur]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)





Paul talks about two type of works, but let's talk about the love and the works one have to put into it. Because Pauls says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)




Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works.




Let's go into the future on this on in Isaiah 66: 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Reading this I feel fear because this is what happen when you transgress against the Lord. Because in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

In all your human reasoning… you still have not understood God’s Grace….when you read all the scriptures you quoted…humble yourself as a child and ask HIM for understanding as to what He was saying.