Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

[Inquisitor]

The law isn't Jewish. The commandments aren't the law. The commandments aren't Jewish. Christ does not change the sabbath. The sabbath will last until the end of time, it will not be taken away, or changed, or diminished, or cursed. It is a holy day that was in God's heart before creation and will remain a holy day.

I literally said that Jesus spent 3x24hour period in the grave and you type multiple posts telling me I'm wrong. You didn't even read my post properly you just want to copy dozens of bible verses.

I literally told you that 1 of the gospels says at the end of the sabbath and then you post the verse confirming what I said... to prove me wrong?

Here is what you said.

They cannot prove that Jesus resurrected on Sunday...

I quoted the following verse that tells you Jesus rose on Sunday.

Mark 16:9
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week (Sunday), He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

Obviously you are having trouble reading that verse.

Jesus rose early on Sunday.

We know from many verses that Jesus was crucified and buried before the Sabbath. On the day of preparation for the Sabbath. There is only one day available and that day is Friday.

Christ didn't change the Sabbath, Christ fulfilled the Sabbath.

The book of the law was given to Israel, the book of the law was never given to any other Gentile nation.

The ten commandments are the book of the law.

Jesus was only sent to the Jews, to Israel. Jesus was not sent to the Gentile nations.

 

[Inquisitor]

The law isn't Jewish. The commandments aren't the law. The commandments aren't Jewish. Christ does not change the sabbath. The sabbath will last until the end of time, it will not be taken away, or changed, or diminished, or cursed. It is a holy day that was in God's heart before creation and will remain a holy day.

I literally said that Jesus spent 3x24hour period in the grave and you type multiple posts telling me I'm wrong. You didn't even read my post properly you just want to copy dozens of bible verses.

I literally told you that 1 of the gospels says at the end of the sabbath and then you post the verse confirming what I said... to prove me wrong?

You keep treading in it.

The ten commandments are written in the book of the law.

Deuteronomy 30:10
if you obey the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law,

The commandments are the law, your wrong.

Only Israel was commanded to honor the Sabbath through their generations.

Exodus 31:16
So the sons of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a permanent covenant.

A permanent covenant between God and Israel.

A duration of 3 x 24 days in the tomb directly means the Christ rose after 3 days and 3 nights. That is a fourth day resurrection and there is no other way to understand that.

Alas, Jesus rose on the third day as those eight verses, I posted, demonstrated to you.

Somehow Zen, you must understand that Jesus rose early on the third day and not after the third day.

 

[Zen]

You keep treading in it.

The ten commandments are written in the book of the law.

Deuteronomy 30:10
if you obey the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law,

The commandments are the law, your wrong.

Only Israel was commanded to honor the Sabbath through their generations.

Exodus 31:16
So the sons of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a permanent covenant.

A permanent covenant between God and Israel.

A duration of 3 x 24 days in the tomb directly means the Christ rose after 3 days and 3 nights. That is a fourth day resurrection and there is no other way to understand that.

Alas, Jesus rose on the third day as those eight verses, I posted, demonstrated to you.

Somehow Zen, you must understand that Jesus rose early on the third day and not after the third day.

You're wasting your time.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
This kind of response proves that you DON'T believe what Jesus taught.

Your comments prove that you have rejected John 5:24 and 10:28.

Have you clipped those verses out of your Bible? They sure aren't in your mind.

You reject Matt 34:13

You are very stubborn. You totally misunderstand Matt 24:13 because of your extreme bias.

In fact, Jesus taught eternal security with the clearest of words. But you reject those clear words because your bias is towards loss of salvation. The Bible tells us that Satan "deceives the whole world", so you aren't alone in your bias.

Salvation by faith alone
Salvation is deliverance from hell and selfishness

That faith alone bear fruit

That is why Jesus see the sheep as their fruit in Matt 25

Jesus say by the fruit you tell the tree

Matt 25 not contradict end verse in the bible

Your whole theology contradicts the Bible.

If a person is saved by "enduring to the end" then they are their own savior. I wish you luck. Even though it won't help you.

You can't save yourself regardless of how much you endure. That is poppycock. Heretical, in fact.

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus is the rest so we have rest every day because He always in us
Sabbath is only shadow
Physical sabbath is over
Real sabbath was come forever sabbath in mind yes sabbath law is forever real sabbath with Jesus . Law of sacrifice is forever too , but not animal anymore. Now real sacrifice by the death of jesus

 

[FreeGrace2]

Jesus is the rest so we have rest every day because He always in us

Then why believe that one "must endure to be saved" if "we have rest every day". You are contradicted.

 

[Jackson123]

Then why believe that one "must endure to be saved" if "we have rest every day". You are contradicted.

We have to keep Jesus to the end so we have rest to the end

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Then why believe that one "must endure to be saved" if "we have rest every day". You are contradicted.

We have to keep Jesus to the end so we have rest to the end

You continue to be contradicted. You said "we have rest EVEY DAY" but now you change that to "rest to the end", whatever that means.

Basically, it means nothing.

Those who believe that "endure to the end to be saved" refers to soul salvation from the lake of fire, by that VERY DEFINITION, are their own savior.

If you must "endure to the end" for salvation, then you are saving yourself IF IF IF you actually do endure to the end.

In that scenario, Jesus has NO place, NO ministry, NO nothing. So it's blasphemy to misunderstand Matt 24:15.

Your view removes Jesus from His Saviorship. You become your own savior. That will NOT work out well for you.

 

[Jackson123]

FreeGrace2 said:
Then why believe that one "must endure to be saved" if "we have rest every day". You are contradicted.

You continue to be contradicted. You said "we have rest EVEY DAY" but now you change that to "rest to the end", whatever that means.

Basically, it means nothing.

Those who believe that "endure to the end to be saved" refers to soul salvation from the lake of fire, by that VERY DEFINITION, are their own savior.

If you must "endure to the end" for salvation, then you are saving yourself IF IF IF you actually do endure to the end.

In that scenario, Jesus has NO place, NO ministry, NO nothing. So it's blasphemy to misunderstand Matt 24:15.

Your view removes Jesus from His Saviorship. You become your own savior. That will NOT work out well for you.

We have the rest of we have Jesus in our heart if we kick Jesus out than the rest will out with Jesus so to have always rest we have to always keep Jesus, seem you fail to understand Jesus is the reason for the rest
No Jesus no rest thought you skip work on saturday

 

[FreeGrace2]

We have the rest of we have Jesus in our heart if we kick Jesus out than the rest will out with Jesus

Where do you get the very silly notion that anyone can "kick Jesus out"?

so to have always rest we have to always keep Jesus, seem you fail to understand Jesus is the reason for the rest

It is clear that you don't. To "keep Jesus" takes WORK. There is NO REST when one is WORKING.

you remain very confused.

 

[Jackson123]

Where do you get the very silly notion that anyone can "kick Jesus out"?


It is clear that you don't. To "keep Jesus" takes WORK. There is NO REST when one is WORKING.

you remain very confused.

Physical rest not always mean rest in mind
We are talking about rest in mind it is more than physical rest

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Where do you get the very silly notion that anyone can "kick Jesus out"?


It is clear that you don't. To "keep Jesus" takes WORK. There is NO REST when one is WORKING.

you remain very confused.

Physical rest not always mean rest in mind
We are talking about rest in mind it is more than physical rest

My previous comments stand.

 

[Jackson123]

FreeGrace2 said:
Where do you get the very silly notion that anyone can "kick Jesus out"?


It is clear that you don't. To "keep Jesus" takes WORK. There is NO REST when one is WORKING.

you remain very confused.

My previous comments stand.

Jesus say come to me ye with heavy laden I will give you rest. You can come to Jesus when you work and you get rest in mind

 

[Inquisitor]

FreeGrace2 said:
Then why believe that one "must endure to be saved" if "we have rest every day". You are contradicted.

You continue to be contradicted. You said "we have rest EVEY DAY" but now you change that to "rest to the end", whatever that means.

Basically, it means nothing.

Those who believe that "endure to the end to be saved" refers to soul salvation from the lake of fire, by that VERY DEFINITION, are their own savior.

If you must "endure to the end" for salvation, then you are saving yourself IF IF IF you actually do endure to the end.

In that scenario, Jesus has NO place, NO ministry, NO nothing. So it's blasphemy to misunderstand Matt 24:15.

Your view removes Jesus from His Saviorship. You become your own savior. That will NOT work out well for you.

You can't save yourself. No matter how hard you try, that is impossible.

There is only one name under heaven by which you can be saved!

Your endurance cannot save you.

Believing in Jesus does save you but that belief must endure. Not the endurance itself.

 

[Inquisitor]

You're wasting your time.

Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament.

Jesus absolutely fulfilled the entire law.

The law, the ten commandments, only ever grants the knowledge of sin. Paul told you this in the letter to the Romans.

Romans 7:1-2
Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the Law), that the Law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.

You shall not commit adultery is a law.

Don't forget that Jesus rose early Sunday morning and Sunday morning was the third day!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Jesus say come to me ye with heavy laden I will give you rest. You can come to Jesus when you work and you get rest in mind

Why do you only believe SOME of what Jesus taught? And misunderstand that anyway?

Jesus taught WHO receives eternal life and WHEN they receive it in John 5:24. The WHO = believers, the WHEN = when they become believers. You haven't even tried to explain what other idea Jesus was teaching.

Then, Jesus taught the result of being a recipient of eternal life in John 10:28, which is they shall NEVER PERISH.

So Jesus taught eternal security from the MOMENT one believes in Him.

It is that simple and clear.

But you don't believe Him.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You can't save yourself. No matter how hard you try, that is impossible.

Check!

There is only one name under heaven by which you can be saved!

Check!

Your endurance cannot save you.

Check!

Believing in Jesus does save you but that belief must endure. Not the endurance itself.

That belief must endure IF the believers wants to "reign with Him".

English Standard Version
if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

Berean Study Bible
if we endure, we will also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He will also deny us;

Berean Literal Bible
if we endure, we will also reign together with Him; if we will deny Him, He also will deny us;

King James Bible
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

v12a says those who endure will reign with Him.
v.12b says those who deny (don't endure) Him will be denied reigning with Him.

So this verse is about eternal reward. That's what enduring is all about. Certainly not about losing salvation if one loses their faith.

 

[Jackson123]

Why do you only believe SOME of what Jesus taught? And misunderstand that anyway?

Jesus taught WHO receives eternal life and WHEN they receive it in John 5:24. The WHO = believers, the WHEN = when they become believers. You haven't even tried to explain what other idea Jesus was teaching.

Then, Jesus taught the result of being a recipient of eternal life in John 10:28, which is they shall NEVER PERISH.

So Jesus taught eternal security from the MOMENT one believes in Him.

It is that simple and clear.

But you don't believe Him.

Yes you are save when you believe and stop save when you stop believe that is why Jesus say endure to the end will be save

 

[Jackson123]

if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

If we not endure and deny Him, He will deny us, mean not save

How you save if He deny you

 

[Jackson123]

Where do you get the very silly notion that anyone can "kick Jesus out"?

Simple when persecution come say from Muslim, ask you deny Jesus or die and you chose deny, mean you kick Jesus out from you