Did Jesus drink alcohol?

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Helen2004

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oyster67 said:
I'm sure you would agree that there are a couple things we must not do. I do agree that wine is made of grapes and grapes are a gift from God. (y)

btw, I do not drink wine myself, but I will not judge others that do.
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yes of course there are rules set by God. I drink neither,
 
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apwall21 said:
A little sin with measure?
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If you think drinking is sin, then you'd better not drink. I'd suggest that you don't judge others by what they eat or drink.
Saying that if one drinks wine makes them a drunkard is stupid and wrong!
 
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joecoten said:
If you think drinking is sin, then you'd better not drink. I'd suggest that you don't judge others by what they eat or drink.
Saying that if one drinks wine makes them a drunkard is stupid and wrong!
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I didn't specify alcohol. I specified sin.
The problem with that saying is that it's often used by people who actually use it to sin, as an excuse. I'm aware she wasn't saying that, I'm just beating up on the saying, not her, or your wine addiction? which has turned you rather sour quickly?
 
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joecoten

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You were beating up what she was saying. Why would you do that? No one was making excuses.
It sounded to me like you were saying that any drinking makes one a drunkard.
 
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apwall21 said:
I didn't specify alcohol. I specified sin.
The problem with that saying is that it's often used by people who actually use it to sin, as an excuse. I'm aware she wasn't saying that, I'm just beating up on the saying, not her, or your wine addiction? which has turned you rather sour quickly?
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I think you are out of line.
 
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joecoten

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apwall21...You apparently don't agree with any drinking. Correct me if I'm wrong. You won't change my mind and I won't try to change yours. We need to agree to disagree. There are more important things than this topic, important as it is. We are in Christ and that is what is important. We both need to remember what Ephesians 4 says...
"2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." - Ephesians 4:2-6
 
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oyster67 said:
It means that He was God and hence above any and all law. We are fortunate that He is good, because he is bound by no law (including Sabbath laws.)
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Jesus embodied following the heart of ALL the Law of the Torah. He didn't break the Sabbath Law....He was the Lord of it.
Jesus, as fully man and fully God, had the troublesome man part that He had to overcome. And as such He took the abbreviated Nazarite vow just before his torture and crucifixion because that DAY is The Sabbath Day. The Day that with his own holy blood He instituted the New Covenant and went into the real Holy of Holies where his Father is enthroned. Not these earthly copies made by man.

Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy....

The Nazarite vows were that last tiny bit of holiness that Jesus could grab on his way to the cross. He was plenty holy already. It was the only thing left available of holiness. And ensured his resurrection....
 
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Bluesproverb said:
I think you are out of line.
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Probably. Or maybe not. The defense of drinking wine offered was rather emotional, and not following to the words used. It appears as inserting a particular scenario to defend it. Which, to me, seems like it may be an attempt to justify a guilty conscience. Albeit, it's on topic for the thread. I'd rather risk offending him, than let him end up wasted in addiction. Perhaps it's just the appearance of a lovely female face, to bring blood to the chest and excite the passions.
 
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JohnDB said:
Jesus embodied following the heart of ALL the Law of the Torah. He didn't break the Sabbath Law....He was the Lord of it.
Jesus, as fully man and fully God, had the troublesome man part that He had to overcome. And as such He took the abbreviated Nazarite vow just before his torture and crucifixion because that DAY is The Sabbath Day. The Day that with his own holy blood He instituted the New Covenant and went into the real Holy of Holies where his Father is enthroned. Not these earthly copies made by man.

Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy....

The Nazarite vows were that last tiny bit of holiness that Jesus could grab on his way to the cross. He was plenty holy already. It was the only thing left available of holiness. And ensured his resurrection....
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If Jesus was fully God, nobody around him would have been alive. This language may need some betterment, to honor the actual holiness of God.
And why would Jesus need to ensure his resurrection by deeds, if he was fully God?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
While this is completely off topic, your comment deserves a response. You have probably not kept current on the US military, which has gone as extreme Leftist and "Woke" as the current illegitimate administration. To abandon billions of dollars worth of materiel to the Taliban and then to waste billions of dollars on the pointless war (while the majority of weapons go missing) in Ukraine speaks poorly of both the military and the administration. And then to fire thousands of capable soldiers and airmen because they refused the vaccine was not only unconstitutional but illegal.

One could have respected them had the Special Forces and/or the Marines marched to the White House and arrested Joe Biden on January 20, 2020. He should have been tried by a military tribunal for high crimes and misdemeanors, including treason. Had this happened America would not be in the disastrous straits it finds itself now.
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The problem of the military was inflicted by the current Commander-In-Chief of the US Armed Forces.

Biden's mishandling has seriously lowered the morale of the service members and is adversely impacting recruiting and retention. That vaccine mandate was especially devasting and accomplished nothing except the involuntary mass exodus of highly qualified and dedicated service members.

The current sad state of the military is not a reflection of those that serve but rather the idiotic policies of the one that is supposedly in charge. Very sad.

I have the highest respect for the military, but I have absolutely no respect for Biden. The guy is a fool and a puppet of those that are pulling his strings. He has seriously damaged the credibility of the United States and has weakened this country, perhaps irreparably.
 
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joecoten said:
So what you are saying is that you don't have a problem with drinking.
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Oh, no, I have a drinking problem, a smoking problem, a woman problem, a food problem, a laziness problem, an anger problem.... Name it, I'm probably there.
I will end up repeating myself. Follow as God leads you, and I ain't often him.
 
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joecoten

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The military did well under Trump, but the potato has put far-left sellouts in charge.
 
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oyster67 said:
I'm sure you would agree that there are a couple things we must not do. I do agree that wine is made of grapes and grapes are a gift from God. (y)

btw, I do not drink wine myself, but I will not judge others that do.
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Same here, my friend.
 
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apwall21 said:
Oh, no, I have a drinking problem, a smoking problem, a woman problem, a food problem, a laziness problem, an anger problem.... Name it, I'm probably there.
I will end up repeating myself. Follow as God leads you, and I ain't often him.
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Me neither. I appreciate your candor too.
 
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Edify said:
Old wine in those days was bitter because it was spoiled, improperly fermented, like communion juice when it gets too old.
New wine has very little alcohol, because it was properly fermented to make it keep.
There was no cooling in those days, so everything spoiled quickly.
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Hard to say what the alcohol content was in new wine back in the day. Whatever it was, the wine that Jesus made from water was choice, according to the chief wine steward.
 
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joecoten

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apwall21 said:
Oh, no, I have a drinking problem, a smoking problem, a woman problem, a food problem, a laziness problem, an anger problem.... Name it, I'm probably there.
I will end up repeating myself. Follow as God leads you, and I ain't often him.
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Been there, done it.
 
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