Next Big Debate, Obergefell v. Hodges, Gay Marriage

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How should we judge gay marriage?

  • Should the subject go back to the state?

  • Should it be outlawed nationwide?

  • Should it be legal as a human right?


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I'm sorry but that's not the case, I wish it were. Maybe in terms of numbers Christianity has had the majority; but officially the US isn't a "Christian nation." It's a nation of any and all religions that promote peace and liberty. That's not me saying that but the Constitution.

The US was founded on "Biblical principles," but Biblical principles alone don't make anything Christian. Islam, Buddhism or any other religion can follow moral principles found in the Bible, that does make them Christian. There's nothing in official US policy or in the Constitution that states: "These USA are a Christian nation." That was the intention of many of the founders, but it's not the way it worked out.
The US is NOT our Government Institutions.
 
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When I woke up, my first thought was if The District agreed with this wakeup time. I married my first wife because I knew that The District was pleased to have us producing more taxes together. I had my first three children, because The District needs more people paying taxes.
I'm going to consider if the Sky is Blue Enough for The District to consider it a Blue Sky. I think I'll call a specialist on Skies at The Capital, to find out.
 

JohnDB

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I'm sorry but that's not the case, I wish it were. Maybe in terms of numbers Christianity has had the majority; but officially the US isn't a "Christian nation." It's a nation of any and all religions that promote peace and liberty. That's not me saying that but the Constitution.

The US was founded on "Biblical principles," but Biblical principles alone don't make anything Christian. Islam, Buddhism or any other religion can follow moral principles found in the Bible, that does make them Christian. There's nothing in official US policy or in the Constitution that states: "These USA are a Christian nation." That was the intention of many of the founders, but it's not the way it worked out.
This is because of the guerrilla warfare....sometimes hot and sometimes cold war between the various denominations....not all denominations recognized others as being Christian.
Even today many protestants are reticent in stating that Catholics are Christian.

Time and place dude....yes, America is, was, will be a Christian nation. (Even if some are not)
 

Roughsoul1991

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It doesn't take power, because the Constitution is a limited form document that outlines which powers Congress has. It never gave the power of Religion to Congress, the 1st clarifies that such power is not in Congess's purview.

You seem to be starting from an idea that if it's not restrained in the Constitution, then Congress has full authority.

The States never believed this when they signed on, or they wouldn't have signed. Nor should you.
The Constitution tells the powers of the Federal Government, and that's all the powers they have.

That these have been expanded in the face of the 9th and 10th is Treason.
Ok. Not sure what your trying to say or refute. If law can protect rights and therefore make it illegal to do away or subvert. Then marriage between one man and woman can be codified as well.
 
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True, but there's a little thing called the Constitution. You've heard of that haven't you?
Nope. Not in the last 50 years, at the least. 3 strikes and you're out?
Strike 1, limiting the Arms of The People without Amendment.
Strike 2, limiting the Militia of The People, without Amendment,
Strike 3, using Ponzi Fiat to pay debts to the several States.
Major violations of The People's powers, and not a peep from Mass Media on this, only defamation of The Constitution where it even speaks of Militia, Arms, or Gold and Silver.
 

ResidentAlien

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This is because of the guerrilla warfare....sometimes hot and sometimes cold war between the various denominations....not all denominations recognized others as being Christian.
Even today many protestants are reticent in stating that Catholics are Christian.

Time and place dude....yes, America is, was, will be a Christian nation. (Even if some are not)
Whatever.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Agree.

But if can’t even get those who call themselves Christians to advocate for marriage being between a man and woman, or somehow find a constitutional right to homosexual marriage, we’re in deep trouble.
Agree. It is simply a lack of knowledge in civics, basic law and US history.
 
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Ok. Not sure what your trying to say or refute. If law can protect rights and therefore make it illegal to do away or subvert. Then marriage between one man and woman can be codified as well.
I'm saying you seem to start at a premise that the Constitution gave The Federal Government Unlimited Powers, and the Amendments are Reducing Those Powers.
This is err. The Constitution outlines limited power for each branch, and leaves everything NOT mentioned, to The People or The States.
The Amendments are reminders, framing necessary Rights, so we didn't go right back to the reasons we hung, slaughtered, and murdered in some cases, the agents of the King of England.
 

Roughsoul1991

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As fast as the decline is rolling down hill I doubt it's going to be chocked anytime soon.

Morality is a phobia ya know.
Prosecuting federal immigration laws against law breakers illegally caravaning across our border daily by the hundreds is Xenophobic.

Down is up, up is down.
Never quite imagined the new world order quite like that.

Morality is immoral, faith is intolerance and bigotry, stupidity is worthy of elected office.

No, never saw that coming.

Boys menustrate, our gender is elective and all in our head.

What a world.
It has been this way before many times. History is full of examples. Not only that but the Bible records such times and says even in the days of the apostles it was so.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I'm saying you seem to start at a premise that the Constitution gave The Federal Government Unlimited Powers, and the Amendments are Reducing Those Powers.
This is err. The Constitution outlines limited power for each branch, and leaves everything NOT mentioned, to The People or The States.
The Amendments are reminders, framing necessary Rights, so we didn't go right back to the reasons we hung, slaughtered, and murdered in some cases, the agents of the King of England.
No not what I said at all.
 
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It has been this way before many times. History is full of examples. Not only that but the Bible records such times and says even in the days of the apostles it was so.
Sure. However this is over 2000 years after Jesus.
We're not getting better. We're, as a species world wide, getting worse.
And now perversion is defensible as a civil right and mental illness is to be tolerated and something to proudly parade in the streets.

Did the apostles see this reading to children outside the Alexandrian library?

But if I say that freak would never sit my child on their lap , and that's signs of mental illness , I'm intolerant , a bigot and a transphobe.
 

Beckie

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The Constitution was written by guys that had accepted many things as normal. Marriage between a man and a woman was one . Although i do not believe marriage is spoken of in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
 
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The Constitution was written by guys that had accepted many things as normal. Marriage between a man and a woman was one . Although i do not believe marriage is spoken of in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
The word Democracy isn't in the Constitution either.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I'm saying you seem to start at a premise that the Constitution gave The Federal Government Unlimited Powers, and the Amendments are Reducing Those Powers.
This is err. The Constitution outlines limited power for each branch, and leaves everything NOT mentioned, to The People or The States.
The Amendments are reminders, framing necessary Rights, so we didn't go right back to the reasons we hung, slaughtered, and murdered in some cases, the agents of the King of England.
From Bradford's journal

CHAPTER IV: Reasons which led the Congregation at Leyden to decide upon Settlement in America.

Last and not least, they cherished a great hope and inward zeal of laying good foundations, or at least of making some way towards it, for the propagation and advance of the gospel of the kingdom of Christ in the remote parts of the world, even though they should be but stepping stones to others in the performance of so great a work. These, and some other similar reasons, moved them to resolve upon their removal, which they afterwards prosecuted in the face of great difficulties, as will appear. The place they fixed their thoughts upon was somewhere in those vast and unpeopled countries of America, which were fruitful and fit for habitation, though devoid of all civilized inhabitants and given over to savages, who range up and down, differing little from the wild beasts themselves.
 

Roughsoul1991

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The Constitution was written by guys that had accepted many things as normal. Marriage between a man and a woman was one . Although i do not believe marriage is spoken of in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
Human rights, God, and morality are mentioned which falls in line with the marriage definition in English which was a foundation for American law with the founders studying William Blackstone and John Locke.
 
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They should execute the operation quickly and reverse this abomination swiftly. For if they act quickly before the left can brace themselves for it, we could make their gay disgusting parody of love illegal across the entire country and not have to settle for the satanic compromise of leaving it open for the wickedest states to still allow. If it were struck down immediately, because marriage has already been legally defined as one man and one woman by the Defense of Marriage Act (also called DOMA), then in theory the whole US would revert back to this law. Speed is of the essence in this spiritual battle, for it is good to strike fast in this case lest the Devil's party begin forging devices to try to maintain the abomination. So far, from what I have seen and read, the wicked are not as of yet aware of this, nor preparing their demonic defenses properly, therefore pray that the good side acts quickly while we have the momentum on our side.