The Bible cannot be fully understood without God’s Holy Spirit

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At one point I thought anyone could understand the Bible, but the longer I am around Christians I realize that those who (allegedly, but only God knows) have the Holy Spirit don’t necessarily want to listen or know how to listen to Him.

The Bible isn’t a normal book. Yes some of the surface information can be understood by just reading the words on the pages, but if someone can’t or won’t listen to the Holy Spirit then they’ll never really be able to understand most of the Bible with any depth of understanding.

I know many people have probably heard this a million times and think they’re under some sort of blessing that makes them automatically understand the Bible, but with over 45,000 denominations and countless cults, that just isn’t the case.

Christians must choose to listen to the Holy Spirit everyday, but there are so many reasons why they don’t.

Today, if you’ll hear His voice, listen to the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will guide you, or try rather, but if you won’t follow and won’t listen to your Guide’s directions then you won’t be guided anywhere except by yourself or other influences.

John 16:23 LEB
But when he—the Spirit of truth—comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak from himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will proclaim to you the things to come.
 
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Runningman said:
The Bible isn’t a normal book. Yes some of the surface information can be understood by just reading the words on the pages, but if someone can’t or won’t listen to the Holy Spirit then they’ll never really be able to understand most of the Bible with any depth of understanding.
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We don't have to understand in depth. That's pat of the problem: everyone thinks they have to have a deeper understanding than everyone else. We only need to understand a few things and then put them into practice.

"Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." Mark 10:15
 
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ResidentAlien said:
We don't have to understand in depth. That's pat of the problem: everyone thinks they have to have a deeper understanding than everyone else. We only need to understand a few things and then put them into practice.

"Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." Mark 10:15
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I respectfully disagree, to do something well you need to understand what you do, the more you understand the more you excel'

Imagine a surgeon with only basic knowledge operating on you....

Blessings,

JF
 
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The thing is; when you love God you want to learn and know all there is to know. So ya read, study, listen to scholars, and discuss with others who also love God. The learning becomes a passion.
 
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I respectfully disagree, to do something well you need to understand what you do, the more you understand the more you excel'

Imagine a surgeon with only basic knowledge operating on you....

Blessings,

JF
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I guess my only question would be: Why didn't the Lord say, "Unless you acquire a deep philosophical understanding in theology you can't enter the Kingdom?"


I agree we need the Spirit, but we don't need a super-deep understanding of the Bible to please Him. We just need to trust and obey.
 
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Embracing God’s love and grace in a simplistic manner works best for me. And I do so with the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit. 🙏
 
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Jesusfollower said:
So smart and true what you wrote, many people who think they understand in fact, do not.

Blessings,

JF
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Thank you. It just dawned on me one day while I was talking to someone. Suddenly I realized they honestly, genuinely, and sincerely could not understand the Bible despite being intellectually honest and educated.

After that moment I knew we need the Holy Spirit to guide us and we need to listen.
 
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Thank you. It just dawned on me one day while I was talking to someone. Suddenly I realized they honestly, genuinely, and sincerely could not understand the Bible despite being intellectually honest and educated.

After that moment I knew we need the Holy Spirit to guide us and we need to listen.
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ok yes that is awesome to read that
 
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ResidentAlien said:
We don't have to understand in depth. That's pat of the problem: everyone thinks they have to have a deeper understanding than everyone else. We only need to understand a few things and then put them into practice.

"Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." Mark 10:15
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It seems like Jesus said and did lot of things and encouraged us to know about them, but what are the few things that are necessary to understand and practice?

Matthew 7:24
"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

John 21:25
Now there are also many other things that Jesus did, which—if they were written down one after the other—I suppose not even the world itself could contain the books that would be written.
 
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Dirtman said:
The thing is; when you love God you want to learn and know all there is to know. So ya read, study, listen to scholars, and discuss with others who also love God. The learning becomes a passion.
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I agree and that’s what I believe too. There’s a lot of information in the Bible and I think it should all be known. I can’t think of a good reason to tell someone it’s not necessary to understand the Bible.

2 Timothy 3:15-17
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
I guess my only question would be: Why didn't the Lord say, "Unless you acquire a deep philosophical understanding in theology you can't enter the Kingdom?"


I agree we need the Spirit, but we don't need a super-deep understanding of the Bible to please Him. We just need to trust and obey.
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I agree we don’t need a super-deep understanding of the Bible to go to heaven, that isn’t my point. I think we should encourage others to know the Bible because it’s a requirement.

would you say Jesus is our example of how to be? I’m sure He knew the Old Testament scriptures from beginning to end. Weren’t Paul, Peter, and John well-versed in theology? Should we imitate them in this regard?
 
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Runningman said:
At one point I thought anyone could understand the Bible, but the longer I am around Christians I realize that those who (allegedly, but only God knows) have the Holy Spirit don’t necessarily want to listen or know how to listen to Him.

The Bible isn’t a normal book. Yes some of the surface information can be understood by just reading the words on the pages, but if someone can’t or won’t listen to the Holy Spirit then they’ll never really be able to understand most of the Bible with any depth of understanding.

I know many people have probably heard this a million times and think they’re under some sort of blessing that makes them automatically understand the Bible, but with over 45,000 denominations and countless cults, that just isn’t the case.

Christians must choose to listen to the Holy Spirit everyday, but there are so many reasons why they don’t.

Today, if you’ll hear His voice, listen to the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will guide you, or try rather, but if you won’t follow and won’t listen to your Guide’s directions then you won’t be guided anywhere except by yourself or other influences.

John 16:23 LEB
But when he—the Spirit of truth—comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak from himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will proclaim to you the things to come.
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Hello sir
Sir how can I get the holy spirit? I wanna hear him too.
 
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Hello sir
Sir how can I get the holy spirit? I wanna hear him too.
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Hello ma’am,

That’s a great question and the Bible says many things about this. If I may ask you some questions, maybe we can make a determination.

Have you told your sins to God?

Do you truly believe in your heart that Jesus died for your sins, that He remained buried three days, then God brought Him back to life?

Have you been water baptized?
 
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Yes, but I have sinned again
Yes I do completely
Yes, I think so I'm actually a Catholic
 
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Yes, but I have sinned again
Yes I do completely
Yes, I think so I'm actually a Catholic
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Amen that’s great. If you sin again just confess to God again and try to not repeat the same mistake.

I believe you do have the Holy Spirit. I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t.

Jesus also said that we can ask for the Holy Spirit. So I think you should also ask God to send His Holy Spirit to you.l if you haven’t before.


Luke 11:13
Therefore if you, although you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father from heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?"
 
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Yes, but I have sinned again
Yes I do completely
Yes, I think so I'm actually a Catholic
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Were you sprinkled with water or did you go into a pool and they dunked you underwater for your baptism?
 
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They sprinkled with water
 
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ok sir
But how will I ask him? I mean should I ask him in my daily prayers or should ask him separately?
 
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ok sir
But how will I ask him? I mean should I ask him in my daily prayers or should ask him separately?
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You can confess sin to God and ask for forgiveness immediately upon sinning. Tell Him exactly what you did wrong and be specific. Don’t be embarrassed with God, He loves honesty even if it’s ugly.

You can talk like this for example.

“Dear Father in heaven, I want to confess my sin to You. I see I have made a terrible mistake and I will try to not do it again. Please help me not to want to sin. Thank You for the forgiveness you’ve given me through Christ’s sacrifice. Praise and glory to You God. I love You forever!. In Jesus’s name. Amen.”
 
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