Do you observe the Sabbath?

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Hi Runningman, Interesting questions you have, have you read:

Is there anyone that keeps The Sabbath Day Holy, from Sunset on the 6th.Day/Friday until The ending of The 7th. Day at Sunset, on Saturday by The Gregorian Calendar.

If so being on one accord for that event to happen, We want to thank God for your Faith in doing just that as a start to perfection. Every Sabbath , Sabbath Scriptures: About Sabbath Scriptures , Sabbath Day In The KJV

Sabbath Day, Please Read all.

Sabbaths , Judging one another about the Sabbath .

I have reason to believe of the above study, that The Sabbaths and the Feast Days/Holy Convocations goes together for his/Jesus customs as him and The Apostles, went in the synagogues. Luke 4:16 , Acts 17:2

Acts 17:2

Righteousness is a position. When you become saved you are considered in right standing with God. ... Holiness is the quality of being holy,a life that is full of godly character.Righteousness is to be upright in God, to be blamless. A righteousness man is also a holy man,both of them works together.

Ephesians 4 KJV

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Saturday 7-23-22 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tammuz 23, 5782 33rd. Summer Day

Exodus 20:1-11

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20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Luke 4:16-30

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16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
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Love, Walter and Debbie
 

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Jesus said He was the Lord of the sabbath.
In the context of people accusing His disciples of failing to keep sabbath.
His answer was 2 examples of the law being broken by people yet those people being righteous, and declaring Himself LORD above sabbath.

Ask why.

Ask why He did not simply say, His disciples keep the law of sabbath.
Ask why His answer was there is a righteousness apart from sabbath law.
Ask why His answer was that God does not observe sabbath.

Adk why He says He is greater than sabbath.
 

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  1. Hebrews 8:12
    For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
  2. Hebrews 10:17
    And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Since God can choose to forget our sins, then he can choose not to know when and where a surprise party for him is.
 

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In the context of people accusing His disciples of failing to keep sabbath.
His answer was 2 examples of the law being broken by people yet those people being righteous, and declaring Himself LORD above sabbath.

Ask why.

Ask why He did not simply say, His disciples keep the law of sabbath.
Ask why His answer was there is a righteousness apart from sabbath law.
Ask why His answer was that God does not observe sabbath.

Adk why He says He is greater than sabbath.
They had the wrong understanding of the Sabbath.
They accused Jesus and the deciples of breaking the sabbath but that does not mean that they did break it.

Jesus was perfect and did not break any law. He was under the law and did not change or discard laws when He felt like it.

Did Jesus obey the sabbath law according to Gods sandards or not.

If Jesus did not obey the sabbath He was sinning.
And the accusations placed on Him by the pharisees were correct.

Jesus created the sabbath and everything so is greater then all of creation.

Jesus and the deciples did keep the sabbath and in no way did He say not to keep it.
 

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Why did Jesus say go and sin no more?
If Jesus can change His laws and principles of righteousness. If Jesus can change the definition of Sin then why did He need to die on the cross. My God does not change.
 

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In answer to the OP question.
We do, as best we can as we are not perfect. There is nothing to go to where I am so on Sundays, today here, I will download some sermons from sermon audio and we start by singing a Psalm, pray, then we listen to a sermon. Today we heard Martyn Lloyd Jones "Saints and Faithful in Christ"
Usually in the afternoon we watch a live stream from a church we are friends with in Queensland. If for technical reasons we cant watch then we listen to another sermon.

This we heard this morning.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=105161511290
 

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They had the wrong understanding of the Sabbath.
They accused Jesus and the deciples of breaking the sabbath but that does not mean that they did break it.

Jesus was perfect and did not break any law. He was under the law and did not change or discard laws when He felt like it.

Did Jesus obey the sabbath law according to Gods sandards or not.

If Jesus did not obey the sabbath He was sinning.
And the accusations placed on Him by the pharisees were correct.

Jesus created the sabbath and everything so is greater then all of creation.

Jesus and the deciples did keep the sabbath and in no way did He say not to keep it.
Ask why Jesus did not deny breaking the sabbath.
Ask why He answered with 2 examples of righteously breaking the law and declaring Himself greater than sabbath.
Ask why He says God does not observe sabbath.

Ask if these facts fit your personal conception of the topic.

Modify your personal conceptions as necessary.
 

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Ask why Jesus did not deny breaking the sabbath.
Ask why He answered with 2 examples of righteously breaking the law and declaring Himself greater than sabbath.
Ask why He says God does not observe sabbath.

Ask if these facts fit your personal conception of the topic.

Modify your personal conceptions as necessary.
1. He didn't deny breaking the law because he didn't need to prove Himself to them. To those that have an ear.
2. The 2 examples were given to help them see that things are not always black and white, to help them see the depth to these laws.
So that they would reassess their false understanding of the law.
3. Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus was again helping them to understand the correct keeping of the sabbath.

Doing Gods work on the sabbath is not wrong.
Helping the needy on the sabbath is not wrong.
Jesus did nothing wrong, and was not breaking the sabbath.
 

posthuman

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Doing Gods work on the sabbath is not wrong.
Helping the needy on the sabbath is not wrong.
would we agree then that whoever is doing His will, whether working or not working, the righteous requirement of the sabbath is satisfied?

i.e. love fulfills the whole law
 

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The 2 examples were given to help them see that things are not always black and white, to help them see the depth to these laws.
can't agree with that statement, because --

Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
(Matthew 12:3-4)
Jesus specifically points out that what David and his men did was unlawful.
not a grey area, but by the letter of the law, clearly forbidden


it's in this context that He says He is Lord even over sabbath: that the law was set aside for the sake of mercy,
and with regard to His second statement, that the law is overlooked for the sake of the work of priesthood, which would go to your point about doing God's will on sabbath - if His will is that we do some work, then that work doesn't condemn us, because He is Lord above sabbath, and desires mercy rather than sacrifice.


if someone asks me to 'go one mile' with them on sabbath, i think i should go with them two miles -- i shouldn't say 'no, sorry, it's sabbath so i can't help you'
 
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Every day. I place my burdens upon the Lord who is the Sabbath.
 
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There were 6 days of creation and then God rested on the 7th day. Does God need rest? The answer is obviously, No. On the 7th day God had finished His creating and NOW is observing humanity as it plays out in Time. We are living on God's Sabbath Day and our attention should be making God the center of our lives which happens when we receive His Holy Spirit by trusting in His plan for our salvation through Jesus Christ. His Holy Spirit fills us with the Divine Love necessary to obey Christ's commandments which is to Love God first and everyone else second. Works without that love is useless.

Keeping the Sabbath is a commandment for the Jews to commemorate God's creation and when He stopped to observe HIs creation in History. It was given to the Jews to follow so that at the time of Jesus Christ keeping the Sabbath would be an issue in condemning Christ.
When Christ died on the cross, the veil to the Holy of Holies was rent. That means that we now have direct access to God our Father. In John 4: 20-24 the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if men ought to worship on that mountain or in Jerusalem. Jesus reply was that the time will come when true worshipers will worship in neither place but will worship in Spirit and in Truth. You can worship together in one place or you can worship at home alone or with family members and friends. Every day is the Lords and should be included in our lives.
That is why Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
 

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would we agree then that whoever is doing His will, whether working or not working, the righteous requirement of the sabbath is satisfied?

i.e. love fulfills the whole law
We agree that doing Gods will on the sabbath is good.
God is perfect and His will is perfect.

But we shouldn't act in ways that are not His will. This applies to all of our lives.

The question is what is God's will in regard to the Sabbath.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
 

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We agree that doing Gods will on the sabbath is good.
God is perfect and His will is perfect.

But we shouldn't act in ways that are not His will. This applies to all of our lives.

The question is what is God's will in regard to the Sabbath.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Ask why Colossians 2 exists.
Why Romans 6-8 is scripture.

If you consider yourself under ceremonial sabbath observation on account of it having been commanded at Sinai, then you are under the entire law, for the same God commanded all these things to Israel at one time, as one covenant, and since there is no temple, you are irreconcilabley condemned by the law

Unless you accept Christ and His work there is no rest and no salvation.
If you accept Him you are not under any obligation to the law, having died with Him

"the law" includes the 10, which aren't even the basis of the law. Romans 7:7


I am saying this as a person who keeps sabbath.
I do not set aside the grace of God; I am not commanded to observe the rite according to the flesh, and I am instead commanded not to let anyone judge me whether I do or do not. Because Christ.
 

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This from an exposition of the Westminster Confession Of Faith on the Sabbath Day
Its well worth reading and considering.

1. From the original institution of the Sabbath. Of this we have an account, Gen. ii. 1-3. At this time none of the human race were in being but our first parents; and since the Sabbath was instituted for them, it must be obligatory on all their posterity to the end of the world. There is, unquestionably, as much reason and as much need for all the sons of Adam, in all ages and nations, in their feeble and sinful state, to have a day appointed for their own rest, and for the worship of God, as there was for Adam in Paradise, and in a state of innocence. The Sabbath, as then appointed, could not be a ceremonial institution; for while man retained his integrity, there was no need of any types to shadow forth Christ. This reasoning can only be overturned by denying that the Sabbath was instituted in the beginning, and proving that it was first given to the Israelites in the wilderness. This, accordingly, has been attempted by various writers, but the proof entirely fails. There is no reason to think that, in Genesis, Moses records the institution of the Sabbath by anticipation. The manner of the narrative would naturally lead any reader to suppose that he is relating what took place when the work of creation was finished. Although there is no record of the observation of the Sabbath for a period of 2500 years, or until after Israel came out of Egypt, yet it cannot be inferred from this that the Sabbath was not instituted from the beginning, or that it was not observed in antediluvian and patriarchal times; for neither is there any record of its observation during a period of about 500 years, containing the histories of Joshua, of the Judges, particularly Samuel, and of Saul; nor is there a single instance of circumcision on record from the time that Israel entered into Canaan until the circumcision of John the Baptist. In Exod. xvi. 23, the Sabbath is evidently mentioned, not as a near institution, but as one already known. And when the law was promulgated to Israel, at Mount Sinai, the Sabbath was spoken of as an institution with which they were formerly acquainted, but which had been too much neglected or forgotten. Probably in Egypt the observance of it had been in a great measure suspended; and therefore they were called to "remember the Sabbath-day, to keep it holy." It may be observed, too, that the division of time into weeks of seven days, which subsisted in the age of the patriarchs, cannot be satisfactorily accounted for, but by the previous institution of the Sabbath.
2. The binding obligation of the Sabbath may be argued from the place which the fourth commandment occupies in the decalogue. It is inserted in the very middle of the moral precepts which God delivered to mankind as a perpetual rule of their lives. It is one of those commands that were spoken by the voice of God himself, that were twice written on tables of stone by the finger of God, and that were laid up in the ark of the covenant. None of these things can be said of any ceremonial institution.
3. All the reasons annexed to this commandment, as promulgated from Mount Sinai, are moral in their nature. These reasons had no special reference to the Jews, but equally respect all men, in all nations and in all ages. And hence we find that strangers, as well as the Jews, were obliged to observe the Sabbath; but they were not bound to observe ceremonial institutions.—Exod. xx. 10,11.
4. That the observation of the Sabbath was to continue after the abolition of the Jewish Sabbath, is implied in the words of Jesus Christ (Matt. xxiv. 20): "Pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath-day." Christ is there speaking, not of the Jewish, but of the Christian Sabbath; for he refers to a flight which should happen at the destruction of Jerusalem; and this did not take place until forty years after the Jewish Sabbath was abolished. But though the Sabbath was then to be changed from the seventh to the first day of the week, yet the words of Christ certainly intimate that the Sabbath was still to be continued.
5. The perpetuity of the Sabbath is clearly taught in Isa. lvi.6-8. Whoever examines the passage, will find that the prophet is speaking of New Testament times. Under the gospel dispensation, therefore, the Sabbath was still to continue a divine institution; it was still to be a duty to keep it from polluting it; and the keeping of it was to be blessed, according to the declarations of the unerring Spirit of prophecy.
The morality of the Sabbath is not affected by the change of the day. The substance of the institution consists in the separation of a seventh portion of our time to the immediate worship of God; and the particular day is a thing perfectly circumstantial. It is not said, "Remember the seventh day;" but "Remember the Sabbath-day, to keep it holy." Neither is it said, "God blessed the seventh day;" but "God blessed the Sabbath-day, and hallowed it." But as the seventh day of the week was, by divine appointment, originally appropriated to the worship of God, the day could only be altered by "the Lord of the Sabbath." It is admitted that we have no express precept for the alteration of the day, but we have convincing evidence that the Sabbath was changed from the seventh to the first day of the week at the resurrection of Christ.
1. That the first day of the week should be the Christian Sabbath, was foretold in the Old Testament Scriptures (Ps. cxviii. 24): "This is the day which the Lord hath made;" not which he has created - for so he has made all other days—but which he has consecrated to himself, or made into a holy day. And the day referred to is the day of Christ's resurrection, when "the stone which the builders refused was become the head stone of the corner." - Compare Acts iv. 10,11; see also Ezek. xliii. 27, where the eighth day is mentioned as the day on which spiritual sacrifices were to be offered up to the Lord; and the Christian Sabbath may be called the eighth day, because the first day of the week now is the eighth day in order from the creation.
2. After his resurrection, Christ repeatedly met with his disciples on the first day of the week - See John xx. 19, 26. Though Christ appeared to several of the disciples on other days, yet it is only expressly recorded that on the first day of the week he met with them when assembled together. From this we may conclude that the disciples had already begun to assemble on the first day of the week, and that Christ approved of the practice. Many are of opinion that he continued to meet with them upon that day of the week till his ascension, "speaking to them of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God."—Acts. i. 3.
3. The apostles and primitive Christians statedly met on that day for the celebration of divine ordinances. We read (Acts xx. 7), that "upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them;" where their meeting together on that day is not spoken of as a thing extraordinary, or merely occasional, but as a stated ordinary practice. From 1 Cor. xvi. 1, 2, it appears that the primitive Christians, on the first day of the week, contributed for the relief of their needy brethren, and this by an express apostolic injunction. Thus the collection for the poor, which was made in the Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath, seems to have been transferred, by apostolic authority, to the first day of the week among Christians.
4. In early times the Christian Sabbath was well known by the distinguishing title of "the Lord's day" (Rev. i. 10), the day which Jesus Christ peculiarly claimed as his own, and which was consecrated to his honour.
5. The first day of the week has been uniformly observed as the Christian Sabbath, from the apostolic age down to the present time; and God has remarkably honoured that day by conferring precious blessings on his people, when employed in the religious observance of it.
There is an adequate reason for the change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week. As the seventh day was kept holy from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, in commemoration of the work of creation, so it is reasonable that, since the resurrection of Christ, the first day of the week should be sanctified, in commemoration of the greater and more glorious work of redemption. And as there will be no new work of the Almighty of superior or equal importance, it is fit that this day should continue to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.
 

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can't agree with that statement, because --

Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
(Matthew 12:3-4)
Jesus specifically points out that what David and his men did was unlawful.
not a grey area, but by the letter of the law, clearly forbidden


it's in this context that He says He is Lord even over sabbath: that the law was set aside for the sake of mercy,
and with regard to His second statement, that the law is overlooked for the sake of the work of priesthood, which would go to your point about doing God's will on sabbath - if His will is that we do some work, then that work doesn't condemn us, because He is Lord above sabbath, and desires mercy rather than sacrifice.


if someone asks me to 'go one mile' with them on sabbath, i think i should go with them two miles -- i shouldn't say 'no, sorry, it's sabbath so i can't help you'
You've taken it to the other extreem which is what satan is good at.

Because david ate the show bread which was against the laws, does that mean that he was free to continue to eat it any time he was hungry.
Did that one situation change the law.

You are saying that Jesus was implying that everyone is okay to break whole sabbath commandment because it was lawful to once eat the showbread in specific circumstances.

Under the right circumstances it was not a transgression of the law.
It does not change the law it just shows that God is practical.
Like all laws we need to understand in our heart what God wills and what God does not will.
We can become extremist and keep the laws for the wrong reasons and we can just ignore the laws and continue in sin that grace might abound.

Jesus was not saying the sabbath is no longer a law that needs to be obeyed.

He was helping them to understand the practical aplication of the sabbath.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Are you teaching that it is okay to break this sabbath commandment?
 

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There were 6 days of creation and then God rested on the 7th day. Does God need rest? The answer is obviously, No. On the 7th day God had finished His creating and NOW is observing humanity as it plays out in Time. We are living on God's Sabbath Day and our attention should be making God the center of our lives which happens when we receive His Holy Spirit by trusting in His plan for our salvation through Jesus Christ. His Holy Spirit fills us with the Divine Love necessary to obey Christ's commandments which is to Love God first and everyone else second. Works without that love is useless.

Keeping the Sabbath is a commandment for the Jews to commemorate God's creation and when He stopped to observe HIs creation in History. It was given to the Jews to follow so that at the time of Jesus Christ keeping the Sabbath would be an issue in condemning Christ.
When Christ died on the cross, the veil to the Holy of Holies was rent. That means that we now have direct access to God our Father. In John 4: 20-24 the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if men ought to worship on that mountain or in Jerusalem. Jesus reply was that the time will come when true worshipers will worship in neither place but will worship in Spirit and in Truth. You can worship together in one place or you can worship at home alone or with family members and friends. Every day is the Lords and should be included in our lives.
That is why Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
I agree with many of your statements
But the way you have placed the sabbath commandment with the laws and commandments that were nailed to the cross is wrong.

Sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:7
When Adam sinned a law condemned him. He transgressed a law.
When sin did not exist there was no need for the laws that were added because of transgression. Gal 3:19

There are two laws
The moral law that defines sin and the law that was added to show us how sin was to be delt with. The result and remedy for sin.

One the one that pointed to Jesus was the teacher or shadow which was taken away when Jesus came.

No more blood offerings....

The sabbath is part of the moral law and was not taken away at the death of Jesus...
The deciple and paul kept the sabbath after the death.
And Jesus said....
Mat 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 

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1. He didn't deny breaking the law because he didn't need to prove Himself to them. To those that have an ear.
2. The 2 examples were given to help them see that things are not always black and white, to help them see the depth to these laws.
So that they would reassess their false understanding of the law.
3. Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus was again helping them to understand the correct keeping of the sabbath.

Doing Gods work on the sabbath is not wrong.
Helping the needy on the sabbath is not wrong.
Jesus did nothing wrong, and was not breaking the sabbath.
The problem is that the law does not specify that you can do good work on the sabbath. The law says the sabbath is a complete rest. The Pharisees were correct in their accusation based on the letter of the law. Jesus both claimed deity (blasphemy) and worked on the sabbath day.

To find Jesus innocent in regards to the law would require His deity to be recognized. That was a stretch even for His disciples at the time, to see Jesus as God incarnate.
 

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The sabbath is part of the moral law and was not taken away at the death of Jesus...
the Bible itself doesn't make a distinction between 'moral law' and other law.
the Bible calls the entire law, 'the law'
splitting the law into sections is a human tradition, not a Biblical one.

at any rate, physical sabbath observance is ceremonial.
morality does not change according to what day it is.
defining a certain set of actions as bad on one day that are perfectly acceptable the next day or the day before, is ceremony.