The Lord God said, "it is not good for man to be alone," but...

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You said that God doesn't do romantic soulmates or that there is no such thing as soulmates as far as God is concerned. That's what I remember you saying, or did I misread?
Misread sorry. That was a question that was raised by our sister in respect of the OP's original post, along with her thoughts on the matter. My answer to her was posted in italics.
 
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Misread sorry. That was a question that was raised by our sister in respect of the OP's original post, along with her thoughts on the matter. My answer to her was posted in italics.
Okay great. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, according to both the Bible and to logic, it's fair to say that God sometimes has a soulmate for a person and other times He just allows a person to marry whoever they happen to marry.
 

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Yeah, all of us ladies even went with our cult leader, Mr. @RodB651, to the grocery store.

And we even walked in a line like good little trained sister wives. Shoot, if I would have been paying attention, we probably walked in order from youngest to oldest as well. (Guess which side of the pendulum I'm on.) :sneaky:

Mostly though... we just wanted to monitor whether Rod picked up enough ground beef...

Because boy does that guy ever grill a good burger, and we all decided if he ever DID sent out applications for sister wives, Rodney's grilling skills just might be our tipping point. :unsure:
Lol.. We walked into that store like we hadn't eaten in two or three days!

I think we had a great time!!!
 

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Lol.. We walked into that store like we hadn't eaten in two or three days!

I think we had a great time!!!
There could have been a few more leftover burgers though. Just saying.
 

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easy.

Genesis doesn't necessarily say it's not good for man in general to be alone. every time you see "man" in the OT it's the same word as the name Adam. especially in Genesis 1-3 and especially when you see "the man"
perhaps this is only it's not good for Adam.

and Jesus Himself says it's better a man be unmarried, but not everyone can accept it -- the one who can accept it, should. Matthew 19:12

so this is not contradiction in scripture. it's only failure to fully understand.
Paul isn't contradicting Christ, or Genesis, or Solomon. Paul's not an idiot; he's ridiculously intelligent. he knows your objections.
Paul is giving you the other side of the truth that you hadn't considered. that's all.

every time you find something that looks crazy and contradictory in scripture, that's something wonderful.
you have found deep wisdom -- and you have to search it out and find understanding.

For there are different reasons why men do not marry—some because they were born without the desire, some because they have been castrated, and some because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever can grasp this, let him do so." (Matthew 19:12)
 

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For there are different reasons why men do not marry—some because they were born without the desire, some because they have been castrated, and some because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever can grasp this, let him do so." (Matthew 19:12)
So where did "Jesus Himself says it's better a man be unmarried?"

Paul Said:
1 Corinthians 7:6-9
(6) I am giving you this as a suggestion, not as a command.
(7) Actually, I wish everyone were like me; but each has his own gift from God, one this, another that.
(8) Now to the single people and the widows I say that it is fine if they remain unmarried like me;
(9) but if they can't exercise self-control, they should get married; because it is better to get married than to keep burning with sexual desire.
 

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(1) The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” But, every child of God who desires to be married will not get married. How do you reconcile the two?

Arguably helper is a spouse as Proverbs 18:22 says "he who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD."

We know "God is not a man, that he should lie"... "hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

So, if a child of God has surrendered to His will, and God has placed the desire for marriage in the person's heart and promised He will make a helper suitable for him, why do some end up single?

The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. So, even if one detours and is not in the will of God, wouldn't God reroute his child (if there has been a complete submission to His will over the individual's will)? Or, wouldn't He remove the desire?

(2) Do you believe you have one soulmate? I do, by the way, since God knows the end from the beginning and He knew every choice we would make. He says He knew us before we were formed in the womb. I believe God cares about every detail of our lives. There are no two ppl on earth with the same fingerprints. So, why would something as important as one's spouse not be predestined?

Look forward to hearing what others think about the above topics :)
Tough question. Look up Hosea and Gomer.
 

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For there are different reasons why men do not marry—some because they were born without the desire, some because they have been castrated, and some because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever can grasp this, let him do so." (Matthew 19:12)
Nowhere in the New Testament is there a COMMAND to marry or have children. Paul makes it clear that he considered marriage a somewhat regrettable compromise.

IMO......since there is no reproduction the glorified state, we need not worry about it here and now one way or the other.

Not to mention the fact that the world is literally falling apart before our very eyes. And being run by some of the most sinister Luciferians/occultists/atheists imaginable.
 

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Nowhere in the New Testament is there a COMMAND to marry or have children. Paul makes it clear that he considered marriage a somewhat regrettable compromise.

IMO......since there is no reproduction the glorified state, we need not worry about it here and now one way or the other.

Not to mention the fact that the world is literally falling apart before our very eyes. And being run by some of the most sinister Luciferians/occultists/atheists imaginable.
Agreed, yet, we should be careful to not to tread the fine line of forbidding marriage either, right? What about God giving us the responsibility to be fruitful, multiply, and subdue the earth?
 

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Agreed, yet, we should be careful to not to tread the fine line of forbidding marriage either, right? What about God giving us the responsibility to be fruitful, multiply, and subdue the earth?
Genesis 1:28
(28) God blessed them: God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air and every living creature that crawls on the earth."


1 Timothy 4:1-3
(1) The Spirit expressly states that in the acharit-hayamim some people will apostatize from the faith by paying attention to deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

(2) Such teachings come from the hypocrisy of liars whose own consciences have been burned, as if with a red-hot branding iron.
(3) They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods which God created to be eaten with thanksgiving by those who have come to trust and to know the truth.
 

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Genesis 1:28
(28) God blessed them: God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air and every living creature that crawls on the earth."


1 Timothy 4:1-3
(1) The Spirit expressly states that in the acharit-hayamim some people will apostatize from the faith by paying attention to deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

(2) Such teachings come from the hypocrisy of liars whose own consciences have been burned, as if with a red-hot branding iron.
(3) They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods which God created to be eaten with thanksgiving by those who have come to trust and to know the truth.
Just being nosy: What version of the Bible are you using? I've never seen "apostasize" in the Bible before, and I don't even know what that triple jointed "ach" word is in front of it.
 

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Just being nosy: What version of the Bible are you using? I've never seen "apostasize" in the Bible before, and I don't even know what that triple jointed "ach" word is in front of it.
This one is from the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible). In the KJV it said, "shall depart." Here's the Greek word which derives off of apostasia G646 and definition:

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ἀφίστημι

aphístēmi; from apó, from, and hístēmi (G2476), to stand, to place. Trans.: to put away, remove, as in Act_5:37, he seduced the people to follow him (Sept.: Deu_7:4; Deu_13:10). Intrans.: to withdraw, remove oneself, forsake, desert, retire, cease from something (Luk_2:37; Luk_4:13; Luk_13:27 quoted from Psa_6:8 [see Mat_7:23 where apochōreíte (G672) means to depart from]; Act_5:38; Act_12:10; Act_15:38; Act_19:9; Act_22:29; 2Co_12:8; 1Ti_6:5; Sept.: Num_12:10; 1Sa_18:12; Lam_4:15; Eze_23:17-18). In all of the above, the verb is followed by the prep. apó followed by the gen. from someone or something. Transferred to moral conduct in 2Ti_2:19, it is followed by apó adikías (apó [G575], from; adikías [G93], unrighteousness), from unrighteousness; in Heb_3:12, "from the living God" (Sept.: Gen_14:4; 2Ch_26:18; 2Ch_28:19, 2Ch_28:22; Eze_20:8; Dan_9:9). This latter expression does not mean that at one time they belonged to God and now they no longer belong to Him, but rather that they stood away from God, never having belonged to Him. The same is true with 1Ti_4:1, in which the word is translated "depart," meaning they stood away from believing. This does not refer to those who had at one time been believers, but to those who refuse to believe, who stand aloof, alone (Heb_3:12). The word is also used in Luk_8:13 in connection with the interpretation of the seed that falls on stony ground. The seed finds a little soil on top of the stone, but it is not enough to take root and so the growth is only seasonal. When testing comes, there is no root to hold it down. The word aphístantai here does not indicate uprooting because there never was a root; the temporary plant stood by itself. The union with the soil was only an apparent union, never a true foundation with roots capable of holding up the plant.

Deriv.: apostasía (G646), apostasy, staying away from; apostásion (G647), separative, divorce.

Syn.: apolúō (G630), to depart, dismiss; apospáō (G645), to draw away; apochōrízō (G673), to separate, depart from; apochōréō (G672), to depart from; hupágō (G5217), to depart, go; apérchomai (G565), to depart; apopíptō (G634), to fall from.

Ant.: proseggízō (G4331), to approach; eggízō (G1448), to approach.
 

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This one is from the CJB (Complete Jewish Bible). In the KJV it said, "shall depart." Here's the Greek word which derives off of apostasia G646 and definition:

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ἀφίστημι

aphístēmi; from apó, from, and hístēmi (G2476), to stand, to place. Trans.: to put away, remove, as in Act_5:37, he seduced the people to follow him (Sept.: Deu_7:4; Deu_13:10). Intrans.: to withdraw, remove oneself, forsake, desert, retire, cease from something (Luk_2:37; Luk_4:13; Luk_13:27 quoted from Psa_6:8 [see Mat_7:23 where apochōreíte (G672) means to depart from]; Act_5:38; Act_12:10; Act_15:38; Act_19:9; Act_22:29; 2Co_12:8; 1Ti_6:5; Sept.: Num_12:10; 1Sa_18:12; Lam_4:15; Eze_23:17-18). In all of the above, the verb is followed by the prep. apó followed by the gen. from someone or something. Transferred to moral conduct in 2Ti_2:19, it is followed by apó adikías (apó [G575], from; adikías [G93], unrighteousness), from unrighteousness; in Heb_3:12, "from the living God" (Sept.: Gen_14:4; 2Ch_26:18; 2Ch_28:19, 2Ch_28:22; Eze_20:8; Dan_9:9). This latter expression does not mean that at one time they belonged to God and now they no longer belong to Him, but rather that they stood away from God, never having belonged to Him. The same is true with 1Ti_4:1, in which the word is translated "depart," meaning they stood away from believing. This does not refer to those who had at one time been believers, but to those who refuse to believe, who stand aloof, alone (Heb_3:12). The word is also used in Luk_8:13 in connection with the interpretation of the seed that falls on stony ground. The seed finds a little soil on top of the stone, but it is not enough to take root and so the growth is only seasonal. When testing comes, there is no root to hold it down. The word aphístantai here does not indicate uprooting because there never was a root; the temporary plant stood by itself. The union with the soil was only an apparent union, never a true foundation with roots capable of holding up the plant.

Deriv.: apostasía (G646), apostasy, staying away from; apostásion (G647), separative, divorce.

Syn.: apolúō (G630), to depart, dismiss; apospáō (G645), to draw away; apochōrízō (G673), to separate, depart from; apochōréō (G672), to depart from; hupágō (G5217), to depart, go; apérchomai (G565), to depart; apopíptō (G634), to fall from.

Ant.: proseggízō (G4331), to approach; eggízō (G1448), to approach.
I was pretty sure I could deduce what that word was. I have no idea about the acharit one though.
 

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Agreed, yet, we should be careful to not to tread the fine line of forbidding marriage either, right? What about God giving us the responsibility to be fruitful, multiply, and subdue the earth?
Paul did not forbid marriage and neither do I. Marriage/children is essentially irrelevant for the Church IMO.
 

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Paul did not forbid marriage and neither do I. Marriage/children is essentially irrelevant for the Church IMO.
I mean irrelevant as regards the choice to participate or not. There is no obligation whatsoever one way or the other. And no reward nor penalty either.

Yet another unique aspect of the one and only Church the Bride.
 

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I mean irrelevant as regards the choice to participate or not. There is no obligation whatsoever one way or the other. And no reward nor penalty either.

Yet another unique aspect of the one and only Church the Bride.
Unless we burn in lust!
 

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Just musing here.....but perhaps God informed Adam that his salvation and that of his seed was necessarily incumbent upon him filling the earth so that Messiah would inevitably arrive. He had little choice.

IMO after His birth and resurrection, that such obligations have ceased for the Church. At this point God Himself is redeeming sons and daughters....but never grandsons and granddaughters.

Israel on the other hand has yet to fulfill its prophesied destiny and consequently MUST continue to procreate the old fashioned way. Not only that, but Isael inherits the LAND....on earth.