Many are called but few are chosen

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus’ Gospel is provided for all to hear in that Jesus Himself says He died for the whole world but sadly and obviously many reject the Gospel.

Scripture also teaches that God is love. God creating people and giving them no chance at salvation is not loving. What is loving is not creating them in the first place.

I hope you don't mind me cutting in, but I have some scriptures that might shed some light on this subject

I believe the inspired words of the bible were written to God's born again children as instructions on how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth.

God does not love sin. Does God love all mankind? God chastens those that he loves.(Heg 12:6-8) God chastens those that are his sons (those that are born again, Deut 8:5.) Psalms 73:5 tells us that the wicked (unregenerate) are not in trouble as other men, neither are they plagued (devinly punished) like other men.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Thats why unbelievers see Calvinism and not the Bible.

good point made!

 

[Snacks]

this is why Calvinism is dangerous. if you believe only a select are Chosen you won't do as Jesus Commanded and be a Witness and make Disciples and Baptizing them.

What’s the point of sharing the Gospel if it’s nothing more than a lesson in futility?

 

[kaylagrl]

What’s the point of sharing the Gospel if it’s nothing more than a lesson in futility?

Exactly, and that is why it is ridiculous to have this belief. Jesus never said "you can not" He said "you will not". Big difference.

 

[Snacks]

I hope you don't mind me cutting in, but I have some scriptures that might shed some light on this subject

I believe the inspired words of the bible were written to God's born again children as instructions on how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth.

God does not love sin. Does God love all mankind? God chastens those that he loves.(Heg 12:6-8) God chastens those that are his sons (those that are born again, Deut 8:5.) Psalms 73:5 tells us that the wicked (unregenerate) are not in trouble as other men, neither are they plagued (devinly punished) like other men.

Of course I don’t mind you sharing; I appreciate it. As far as the wicked not experiencing divine punishment, that is not the case throughout space and time. Those who were chasing after the Jews were swallowed up by the Red Sea. That’s definitely divine punishment.

 

[Bluesproverb]

If the people you mention were given the opportunity for salvation but they rebuked that opportunity then there is no diametrical problem of God destroying them.

Fascinating.

I think if you hold to context you'll see The Elect of God are also identified in the OT as God's chosen people. Abraham, keep in mind was Gentile.

Even in the OT no one understood the things of God unless he let them.
Pre Calvin.😉

 

[Snacks]

Even in the OT no one understood the things of God unless he let them.
Pre Calvin.😉

There’s no denying God hardened the hearts of some folks so that His majesty could be seen, but that doesn’t mean those very people did not have a change of heart afterward and presented with the opportunity to have faith in God.

I also don’t see where God hardened the hearts of everyone but for a few select people. To me, that implies people had then, and continue to have today, a choice. That said, thank you for taking the time to share as you have.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

What’s the point of sharing the Gospel if it’s nothing more than a lesson in futility?

let's put this into a real perspective here.

Jesus Commanded, "GO, Make disciples of all nations, ....Baptizing them, Teaching them to observe all things whatever I commanded you

i don't see the word SOME, Whom I have Chosen, whom was pre-SELECTED. i clearly see the Command to go to ALL NATIONS. that is EVERYONE YOU SEE!

so to cherry pick Paul's words and put them against the Command of GOD in the flesh is as demonic as it gets!

 

[Shepherd]

this is why Calvinism is dangerous. if you believe only a select are Chosen you won't do as Jesus Commanded and be a Witness and make Disciples and Baptizing them.

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Not only that, it presents God as a selfish being whose only desire is for "glory". Some Calvinists, like John Piper, a "double predestinationist" and self described "7 point Calvinist" have even said that God predestined certain sinners to Hell for his glory.(paraphrased). That denies the very character of God....which is love. In my thinking that's the same as calling good evil.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Snacks, what did i say wrong?

Jesus said Go to EVERYONE.
Paul explains in Ephesians 1:13 who the predestined are [those who hear the Gospel and Believe]

so if you purposefully leave out Verse 13 to say God only chose a few, then Matthew 28:19-20 is a lie.

so explain the red x please?

 

[Snacks]

let's put this into a real perspective here.

Jesus Commanded, "GO, Make disciples of all nations, ....Baptizing them, Teaching them to observe all things whatever I commanded you

i don't see the word SOME, Whom I have Chosen, whom was pre-SELECTED. i clearly see the Command to go to ALL NATIONS. that is EVERYONE YOU SEE!

so to cherry pick Paul's words and put them against the Command of GOD in the flesh is as demonic as it gets!

Are you calling me a cherry picking demonic?

 

[Bluesproverb]

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned.


God was right. He's always right. ✝️😊🕊️😔

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Not only that, it presents God as a selfish being whose only desire is for "glory". Some Calvinists, like John Piper, a "double predestinationist" and self described "7 point Calvinist" have even said that God predestined certain sinners to Hell for his glory.(paraphrased). That denies the very character of God....which is love. In my thinking that's the same as calling good evil.

Agreed 100%

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Are you calling me a cherry picking demonic?

first and foremost, NO!
i was going off the post of yours i quoted and giving your post more meaning. i apologize you felt that was towards you. i merely took your words and expanded upon them. or that was my attempt.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned.


God was right. He's always right. ✝️😊🕊️😔

Amen!

 

[Bluesproverb]

Not only that, it presents God as a selfish being whose only desire is for "glory". Some Calvinists, like John Piper, a "double predestinationist" and self described "7 point Calvinist" have even said that God predestined certain sinners to Hell for his glory.(paraphrased). That denies the very character of God....which is love. In my thinking that's the same as calling good evil.

God tells us everything he does is for his glory.

 

[Snacks]

first and foremost, NO!
i was going off the post of yours i quoted and giving your post more meaning. i apologize you felt that was towards you. i merely took your words and expanded upon them. or that was my attempt.

I’m sorry for misunderstanding you, beloved. I admire you and thought you were calling me demonic for supporting God’s grace. I truly apologize for misunderstanding. God bless you, Watcher. 🙏

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I’m sorry for misunderstanding you, beloved. I admire you and thought you were calling me demonic for supporting God’s grace. I truly apologize for misunderstanding. God bless you, Watcher. 🙏

please, it's all good. we are family here and always in God! it's ok! i am more than happy i was able to explain. just think, one day very soon you and myself will be before God and worshiping Him together. who knows, we have a complete realm of Space outside the New Jerusalem and the Kingdom of Heaven itself. maybe we will explore it together

 

[Bluesproverb]

What’s the point of sharing the Gospel if it’s nothing more than a lesson in futility?

It isn't futile.
That's how God calls his Elect to him. His word resonates, as he intends. Only God can lead us to understanding his word.

 

[Bluesproverb]

God created people for his day of wrath.

Romans 9, God has mercy on whom he will and hardens whom he will.

@kaylagrl and your 👎.
Thank you. 😊🕊️