Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

renewed

Again, you are the only one who promotes your imaginary notion concerning "Justification by keeping the law". You first claimed that lie on July 4, 2022 when you submitted Post #1713 wherein you attempted to claim that Matthew 23:23 "Identifies Faith as one of the weightier matters of the Law ? And that its something done !"

Jesus states that Faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law that men should have done Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Since you make a appeal to natural faith in men, you obligated to keep the whole law, nothing should be left undone by you.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Since you make a appeal to natural faith in men, you obligated to keep the whole law, nothing should be left undone by you.

Those who study the Bible know that the Bible doesn't mention either "natural faith" or "spiritual faith", so you seem to be in a fantasy world.

The Bible mentions faith. Which comes from the heart. Rom 10:10

Man's faith in God's promise is a response to God's offer. Titus 2:11

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster

to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

I agree with that verse, you dont, not sure why you quote it. It has nothing to do with your human unregenerated faith.

The purpose of the law is to lead mankind to Messiah.

No it wasnt, it was given to lead Gods elect to Faith in the Jesus Christ. Paul is speaking about the seed of Abraham, he writes US, not all mankind.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus pointed out that the scribes and pharisees were trying to keep the law in an attempt to gain salvation and, in so doing, they missed the whole point of the law because the law pointed to their need for Him.

Thats exactly what you doing, trying to keep a precept of the law in an attempt to gain salvation.

Additionally, you now have the Lord Jesus Christ claiming that "faith is works", which completely contradicts what is written in Scripture. If there is any contradiction in Scripture, the whole Bible falls apart.

In Matt 23:23 Jesus plainly stated that faith, human faith, is part of the law that should be done. Your gripe is with Jesus.

Your tired old lie that I "promote Justification by keeping the law" is wearing thin and it is time for you to put that one to rest.

Its no lie, I dont need to lie on you as you you have done to me. You have stated that men are justified by the faith that God gives every man, naturally. I argue that the Faith God gives in sacred matters and spiritual is the Gift of the Spirit, and not given to all men 2 Thess 3:2, but you reject that, and stick to you guns that all natural human beings have been given faith, and that they must exercise it for salvation/justification. That's law keeping !

 

[VARob]

…which is a terrible delusion to be found in, and at this point in world history, more than likely a fatal one !

So now refusing to accept Calvinism will make a person lose their salvation?

…guess I’m doomed…

 

[brightfame52]

So now refusing to accept Calvinism will make a person lose their salvation?

…guess I’m doomed…

If you dont believe the Gospel, thats unbelief. What does scripture say about unbelief ?

 

[VARob]

If you dont believe the Gospel, thats unbelief. What does scripture say about unbelief ?

Newsflash: The Gospel isn't Calvinism.

 

[brightfame52]

Newsflash: The Gospel isn't Calvinism.

Lets discuss the thread:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ieth-the-ungodly.201619/page-106#post-4895880

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Again, you saying Faith = "a law work, an obligation every man must fulfill" does not affect faith at all. When God says faith ≠ works, I believe Him.

I am afraid not friend, you make faith a law condition to get saved, so you believe in Justification by works of the law !

 

[brightfame52]

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Interesting, brightfame52 ...

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

you gonna accuse the 1 John 5:1 folks of "Justification by keeping the law" ... or is that accusation only for those of us on this thread who do not fall for your erroneous dogma???

You set yourself up to be a law keeper, you condition Justification on your human faith. Now in regard to 1 Jn 5:1 it teaches that one is born of God before they believe, and before they love !

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Since you are the only person on this thread who has stated faith is "a law requirement to get Justified" because you completely misinterpreted Matthew 23:23, I suggest you consider that it is you who "may have read scripture, but thats not understanding scripture".

Jesus said faith is a law requirement when it comes to your human faith Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

 

[Sipsey]

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You set yourself up to be a law keeper, you condition Justification on your human faith. Now in regard to 1 Jn 5:1 it teaches that one is born of God before they believe, and before they love !

So, according to your understanding, a man can do nothing towards his fate. He is either predestined for Heaven or Hell?

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Your shtick about "human faith" is another of your made up lies due to your inability to comprehend Scripture.

That term ("human faith") is a figment of your imagination.

No its not, and you brought it up, you said God has given every natural human being faith, and you appealed to Rom 12:3 as your proof text.3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Be honest !

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

I, on the other hand, have maintained that there is no such thing as "human faith" as, according to Scripture there is only one faith ...

Thats false. You said God has given every human being faith and used Rom 12:3 as your proof text. What does every man mean to you in Rom 12:3 ?

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord,

one faith, one baptism

I believe that, but thats Faith the Gift of God the Holy Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

one faith with which mankind believes the truth of Scripture.

Bingo, you saying it again, faith that all natural humans mankind have. Thats law keeping faith of the flesh.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

When a person mis-utilizes that which God has provided to all mankind in order to believe Truth, that person believes the lies of satan with the same faith the true believer believes the Truth laid out in Scripture.

Just like you mis-uttilize faith, and put human faith in the matters of Salvation, which faith is Spiritual and the fruit of the Spirit. Since you do that, you must live with the consequences, Justification/Salvation by the Law is your testimony !

 

[brightfame52]

So, according to your understanding, a man can do nothing towards his fate. He is either predestined for Heaven or Hell?

This thread isnt about predestination. If you want to start a thread on it, I will be glad to comment.

 

[Sipsey]

This thread isnt about predestination. If you want to start a thread on it, I will be glad to comment.

I would strongly disagree - your point is directly tied to mans ability to choose, or not.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


If a person dies in their sins in unbelief, it means they suppressed/restrained the truth in unrighteousness ... just as God tells us in Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
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A person dies in unbelief because they were not one of Christs sheep that He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Unfortunaetly if we are not one of Christs lost sheep that He died for, we shall die in our sins, already condemned.

 

[brightfame52]

renewed

Just because some reject the Lord Jesus Christ, that does not mean the Lord Jesus Christ did not die for him/her.

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...


So sad that some will not turn

Christ died for sinners who rejected Him, He washed away that sin of rejecting Him and unbelief and all their sins, they are not charged with it, but forgiven, then they are given the gift of Faith and follow Him !

He Justifieth the ungodly, those who reject Him !