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I am sorry, but your comments were to generalizes with your attention on the whole chapter 7. Could you draw your attention to the two verses of 13 & 14.,? thank you
😊🕊️ Sure. Life affords two choices, walk in the counsel of the wicked or find peace in the law of God.

See Proverbs 9:6
 

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😊🕊️ Sure. Life affords two choices, walk in the counsel of the wicked or find peace in the law of God.

See Proverbs 9:6
Well, let me run this by you, to see what you think about it.

I try not to neglect any of the scriptures in the inspired word of God because I know that they should all harmonize.

Ezk 10, especially verse 10: Does it make sense to you that the wheel within a wheel could be that the outer, and larger, wheel could represent all of God's elect, the universeal, or invisible, bride of Christ, as his church, and the smaller inner wheel representing the visible church, the remnant, the little flock?

With this thought in mind, would Matt 7:13 & 14 harmonize with the larger outer wheel being those elect (many chosen) that are teaching eternal deliverance by the works of the law, and the smaller inner wheel representing those of the elect (the remnant, the few chosen) that have been revealed the truth of the finished work of Jesus on the cross?
 
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Well, let me run this by you, to see what you think about it.

I try not to neglect any of the scriptures in the inspired word of God because I know that they should all harmonize.

Ezk 10, especially verse 10: Does it make sense to you that the wheel within a wheel could be that the outer, and larger, wheel could represent all of God's elect, the universeal, or invisible, bride of Christ, as his church, and the smaller inner wheel representing the visible church, the remnant, the little flock?

With this thought in mind, would Matt 7:13 & 14 harmonize with the larger outer wheel being those elect (many chosen) that are teaching eternal deliverance by the works of the law, and the smaller inner wheel representing those of the elect (the remnant, the few chosen) that have been revealed the truth of the finished work of Jesus on the cross?
With the Cherubim also described as part of that wheel I always imagined it as a divine transport of some type. Described in primitive subjective terms by Ezekiel.

Much like the firey chariot of Elijah.
 

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With the Cherubim also described as part of that wheel I always imagined it as a divine transport of some type. Described in primitive subjective terms by Ezekiel.

Much like the firey chariot of Elijah.
Do you think my interpretation of Matt 7:13 & 14 is correct? Do they harmonize with Ezk?
 

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John 17:6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
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Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; ( thier word is everything written in the New Testament so all believers )

that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the apostles are like the seed of the kingdom d from those seeds came the large tree which all the birds of the air come to and find rest and shade it’s about the cchurch being one in Christ. This requires one doctrine in Christ. Whether one is a chosen apostle or one who hears the wotness of the chosen apostles that make up the New Testament including the four accounts of the gospel

Jesus was praying for The apostles and the church which came later hearing and believing thier witness

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He prayed for the apostles first and then added all who would believe thier word concerning him and his word thier doctrine is what he preached to them so through Christs word wotnesses by them

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

The idea of Jesus prayer is that the apostles bekng the foundation would establish his witness in the earth of the gospel and all who hears and believed would become one with Jesus Christ bekng part of his body his church whomis the head of all authority and power in the church and without
 
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Keep reading on

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; ( thier word is everything written in the New Testament so all believers )

that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the apostles are like the seed of the kingdom d from those seeds came the large tree which all the birds of the air come to and find rest and shade it’s about the cchurch being one in Christ. This requires one doctrine in Christ. Whether one is a chosen apostle or one who hears the wotness of the chosen apostles that make up the New Testament including the four accounts of the gospel

Jesus was praying for The apostles and the church which came later hearing and believing thier witness

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He prayed for the apostles first and then added all who would believe thier word concerning him and his word thier doctrine is what he preached to them so through Christs word wotnesses by them

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

The idea of Jesus prayer is that the apostles bekng the foundation would establish his witness in the earth of the gospel and all who hears and believed would become one with Jesus Christ bekng part of his body his church whomis the head of all authority and power in the church and without
God cannot contradict himself.
Everything is a matter of context. When Jesus tells his Disciples why the Gospel was given in parable form, to the fact no one comes to him unless the Father leads them , and Jesus refers to all those God gives him. And lastly, we understand why not everyone received Jesus s[oken Gospel when he tells through Paul who spoke the Gospel to the Gentiles, the natural mind,man, cannot understand the things of the holy spirit. Because they are spiritually discerned.

That's why not everyone understood Jesus teachings. That's why the Sanhedrin stoned Stephen to death. Because while they knew they'd killed Jesus, as Stephen reminded them, what they did not,could not comprehend is what that actually meant when they did condemn Messiah to death. Because they were of that natural mind that believed themselves correct for having done so. Which is why they gritted their teeth against Stephen, Acts7, for bringing their trespass up. And then they killed him.

Had they understood they would not have killed Stephen.

But how could they understand? When they orchestrated Jesus murder they levied God's curse upon their own heads. And upon those of their children,future generations.

In the context of Jesus being sent only to the Elect,whose names he,God,wrote in the Lamb's Book of Eternal Life before creating the world, saying he delivered his Gospel in a manner do that not all would understand and come to repentance, and no one can come unless God leads them by letting their minds be changed from the carnal human nature by his Holy Spirit, it is contrary to all that Jesus taught to insist he meant everyone to be saved and understand how that is accomplished.

Which is why he forewarned us of those who would insist they were his later on. And he would say he never knew them. Because many are called to believe what they read in the NT. Few are chosen to receive its dalvific message. Because they must be spiritually altered first. And that is not of our doing.
 
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Bluesproverb said:
I couldn't see it, no. However, maybe I'm not meant to.😉✝️🕊️
I respect your truthful response.
Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.
 

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God cannot contradict himself.
Everything is a matter of context. When Jesus tells his Disciples why the Gospel was given in parable form, to the fact no one comes to him unless the Father leads them , and Jesus refers to all those God gives him. And lastly, we understand why not everyone received Jesus s[oken Gospel when he tells through Paul who spoke the Gospel to the Gentiles, the natural mind,man, cannot understand the things of the holy spirit. Because they are spiritually discerned.

That's why not everyone understood Jesus teachings. That's why the Sanhedrin stoned Stephen to death. Because while they knew they'd killed Jesus, as Stephen reminded them, what they did not,could not comprehend is what that actually meant when they did condemn Messiah to death. Because they were of that natural mind that believed themselves correct for having done so. Which is why they gritted their teeth against Stephen, Acts7, for bringing their trespass up. And then they killed him.

Had they understood they would not have killed Stephen.

But how could they understand? When they orchestrated Jesus murder they levied God's curse upon their own heads. And upon those of their children,future generations.

In the context of Jesus being sent only to the Elect,whose names he,God,wrote in the Lamb's Book of Eternal Life before creating the world, saying he delivered his Gospel in a manner do that not all would understand and come to repentance, and no one can come unless God leads them by letting their minds be changed from the carnal human nature by his Holy Spirit, it is contrary to all that Jesus taught to insist he meant everyone to be saved and understand how that is accomplished.

Which is why he forewarned us of those who would insist they were his later on. And he would say he never knew them. Because many are called to believe what they read in the NT. Few are chosen to receive its dalvific message. Because they must be spiritually altered first. And that is not of our doing.
“God cannot contradict himself.
Everything is a matter of context.”

yeah the context is what’s written Jesus was praying for believers is the context he first prays specifically for the apostles and then during the same prayer he makes a point to say “ I’m not praying for these alone but for those who will believe on me through their word “

context isn’t sometring we explain it’s what’s written there that’s why I advocate that people read chapters rather than single verses see this makes it seem like it’s saying one thing

“For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bit of we keep reading on it changes that adds more context of what he’s actually saying

“And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:11-12, 14, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He spoke Gods word to them then he sent them to speak it to everyone d that’s the unity of our faith whether we walked along with Jesus then or we heard the witness of those who did and believe

he acknowledges the apostles first who walked with him who he chose and appointed and then includes everyone who would believe in him through thier wotness “ the New Testament is entirely wrotten by those who believed in Jesus it’s never going to change it came from Jesus , to them , to us the same promises and doctrine

This is the New Testament in a summary and how it came To us

“Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;

which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,( Jesus preached the gospel )

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;( the apostles and disciples who hears it preached it to others )

God also bearing them witness, ( the reason for the many signs and wonders the apostles did ) both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether Jesus preached the gospel , his apostles who learned and believed what he taught them , or afterwards when the apostles were performing miracles to give credibility to thier witness of the gospel among people . It’s the same eternal and unchanging gospel and promises the same things to anyone that believes

it’s the entrance to Gods eternal kingdom

all I’m saying is he wasn’t excusing future believers from that prayer he specifically adds them in like he’s done gentiles into the same new covenant offered to israel which they rejected but for the believing remnant who was scattered about preaching the gospel to all

After Paul engineered a persecution they were scattered and did this

“Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In that prayer if you notice it’s the word of Jesus that makes everyone one his apostles foret with him and then those who hear his apostles with him the common denominator is always the words of Jesus on the gospel even in the ot when it was promised

“As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this word

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s just the one gospel of the kingdom Jesus taught e apostles and then They taught the rest still today Christian’s learn the gospel from them we believe through their words written in the Bible so Jesus was actually also praying for you and I and anyone who believes what’s there
 

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Bluesproverb said:
I couldn't see it, no. However, maybe I'm not meant to.😉✝️🕊️

Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.
If you missed reading these scriptures, they may throw a different view on your comment. Mark 4:11, 1 Cor 2:6-8, Matt 11:25,
 
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If you missed reading these scriptures, they may throw a different view on your comment. Mark 4:11, 1 Cor 2:6-8, Matt 11:25,
I appreciate your posting those verses.

There seems to be a glitch recurring on these boards. My posts have experienced this as have others.

In your post 211, I did not say what appears beneath the one sentence I did post there. ''
Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.''

Were the scriptures you posted meant for me? That member who unnamed there in post 211 who did post,
''Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.''
Or both of us? Thanks.😊
 
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“God cannot contradict himself.
Everything is a matter of context.”

yeah the context is what’s written Jesus was praying for believers is the context he first prays specifically for the apostles and then during the same prayer he makes a point to say “ I’m not praying for these alone but for those who will believe on me through their word “

context isn’t sometring we explain it’s what’s written there that’s why I advocate that people read chapters rather than single verses see this makes it seem like it’s saying one thing

“For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Bit of we keep reading on it changes that adds more context of what he’s actually saying

“And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:11-12, 14, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He spoke Gods word to them then he sent them to speak it to everyone d that’s the unity of our faith whether we walked along with Jesus then or we heard the witness of those who did and believe

he acknowledges the apostles first who walked with him who he chose and appointed and then includes everyone who would believe in him through thier wotness “ the New Testament is entirely wrotten by those who believed in Jesus it’s never going to change it came from Jesus , to them , to us the same promises and doctrine

This is the New Testament in a summary and how it came To us

“Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;

which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,( Jesus preached the gospel )

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;( the apostles and disciples who hears it preached it to others )

God also bearing them witness, ( the reason for the many signs and wonders the apostles did ) both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether Jesus preached the gospel , his apostles who learned and believed what he taught them , or afterwards when the apostles were performing miracles to give credibility to thier witness of the gospel among people . It’s the same eternal and unchanging gospel and promises the same things to anyone that believes

it’s the entrance to Gods eternal kingdom

all I’m saying is he wasn’t excusing future believers from that prayer he specifically adds them in like he’s done gentiles into the same new covenant offered to israel which they rejected but for the believing remnant who was scattered about preaching the gospel to all

After Paul engineered a persecution they were scattered and did this

“Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In that prayer if you notice it’s the word of Jesus that makes everyone one his apostles foret with him and then those who hear his apostles with him the common denominator is always the words of Jesus on the gospel even in the ot when it was promised

“As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this word

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s just the one gospel of the kingdom Jesus taught e apostles and then They taught the rest still today Christian’s learn the gospel from them we believe through their words written in the Bible so Jesus was actually also praying for you and I and anyone who believes what’s there
I think you miss how someone comes to understand the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

We are told how this occurs, and for whom he had come.
The choice involved was entirely of God. Not us.
 

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Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.''
Possibly these Bible study Rules may be helpful, or not, solving all the Confusion :cry:
 

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I appreciate your posting those verses.

There seems to be a glitch recurring on these boards. My posts have experienced this as have others.

In your post 211, I did not say what appears beneath the one sentence I did post there. ''
Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.''

Were the scriptures you posted meant for me? That member who unnamed there in post 211 who did post,
''Guys, get real. Those who have believed in Jesus Christ have the Holy Spirit in them. Everything in the Bible is meant to be understood by those who want to know. And know how to be led by the Holy Spirit to know.

For any believer to think there are some things in the Bible that are "not meant to be understood" is confused by a lot of things.''
Or both of us? Thanks.😊

No, they wasen't ment for you. I knew who posted them.
 
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I think you miss how someone comes to understand the teaching of the Holy Spirit.

We are told how this occurs, and for whom he had come.
The choice involved was entirely of God. Not us.
“I think you miss how someone comes to understand the teaching of the Holy Spirit.”

the teachkngs of the holy spirit are the things jesus taught to understand them We have to hear accept what he said it’s really simple

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you can’t understand the gospel unless you hear it forst and believe what you heard

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you cannot ever know the Holy Ghost without accepting the gospel jesus preached and sent into the world that’s the only place it can get into our hearts because we hear and believe the truth of Jesus Christ

it’s also what promises life

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭


That’s where we find life hearing and accepting his word Gods word , it’s why he preached it and sent it to the world

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s because that’s the word of God the doctrine of the Holy Spirit his word Jesus word is life for a believer

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

You have to accept that to understand the spirit tha who’s speaking in the gospel telling us what we need to believe

to just argue isnt beneficial let’s discuss what’s in the Bible and let that change our thinking

To understand what God said , we have to hear and accept that he said not reject it and explain that’s not how God is he’s exactly like his word says he is

if we crept the gospel and follow the lord he’ll teach us if we reject him and try to find another path we’re fooling ourselves
 
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“I think you miss how someone comes to understand the teaching of the Holy Spirit.”

the teachkngs of the holy spirit are the things jesus taught to understand them We have to hear accept what he said it’s really simple

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you can’t understand the gospel unless you hear it forst and believe what you heard

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you cannot ever know the Holy Ghost without accepting the gospel jesus preached and sent into the world that’s the only place it can get into our hearts because we hear and believe the truth of Jesus Christ

it’s also what promises life

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭


That’s where we find life hearing and accepting his word Gods word , it’s why he preached it and sent it to the world

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s because that’s the word of God the doctrine of the Holy Spirit his word Jesus word is life for a believer

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

You have to accept that to understand the spirit tha who’s speaking in the gospel telling us what we need to believe

to just argue isnt beneficial let’s discuss what’s in the Bible and let that change our thinking

To understand what God said , we have to hear and accept that he said not reject it and explain that’s not how God is he’s exactly like his word says he is

if we crept the gospel and follow the lord he’ll teach us if we reject him and try to find another path we’re fooling ourselves
No argument. I am discussing what is in the Bible.
 

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No argument. I am discussing what is in the Bible.
Awesome so what do you think of all those scriptures I shared ? Let’s discuss what’s in them for instance what do you make of this what thoughts do you have of this

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you think after reading Paul explaining this do you think we’re all saved no matter about what we actually do ? Or do you think we all should accept what the Bible says about repentance ?

and is there a difference in two people who read or hear what Paul’s saying based upon what they do whether it’s good or evil ?
 
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Awesome so what do you think of all those scriptures I shared ? Let’s discuss what’s in them for instance what do you make of this what thoughts do you have of this

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:


but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you think after reading Paul explaining this do you think we’re all saved no matter about what we actually do ? Or do you think we all should accept what the Bible says about repentance ?

and is there a difference in two people who read or hear what Paul’s saying based upon what they do whether it’s good or evil ?
I think context is key. How about you?

If no one comes to Jesus unless the father, Holy Spirit God, draws them and the natural man cannot understand that call, because it is spiritually discerned, then it is the spirit that enters wo/man,
the breath of the Almighty, that makes us to understand.[Job 32]
Which is what Jesus meant when he explained why he taught the Gospel in parables.

Jesus spoke in parables so that not all would understand and come to repentance. Therefore it is wrong to insist anyone can choose to respond to the Gospel today when Jesus in his day willed not all who heard him speak would understand.

And the reason others understood wasn't their choice. It is as we were told in Job. The spirit of the almighty enters in and gives understanding. Then and now. [''You did not chóse me, but I chose you.'']

Jesus parables were only understood by those whom he intended to understand them and come to repentance.
Not everyone,not whosoever heard them.

That's Bible.That's God's will and word as told us by God himself. Who told his Disciples why not everyone who heard him speak his good news would actually understand and come to repentance.

Not the whole world as in anyone at all.

If that were the case Jesus would not have had his reason for teaching his Salvation Gospel in parables.

Elect=Chosen.
Before the foundation of the world. 🌍