Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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You can listen to a lot of experts and they feel that China was preparing for a 2025 takeover of Taiwan. However people need to realize, in a war you are not always able to act when you would want to.

Let's consider a few factors that could impact this.

1. Russia's invasion of Ukraine. We have a military alliance between Russia and China. It is always better to have a two front war against your enemy. So if they need to attack now to get Russia to work with them then that is a big motivating factor.

2. Collapse of China's banking and real estate markets. They have already had to roll out tanks to guard the banks and they have spooked foreign investment. Already it looks like a $300 billion collapse. Following the worldwide collapse there is no country able to help China weather this storm. The impact of this bubble bursting could take ten years or even more to overcome. So waiting till 2025 is very likely not an option.

3. The Red wave in the US midterm election will result in the Trump movement doing real hearings into Covid. This could result in the US pinning the pandemic on China and crippling them with worldwide sanctions. Again, waiting a year may not be an option for China.

4. The Red wave in the US midterm election will result in the Trump movement doing real hearings into election fraud. If China is convicted they will be guilty of insurrection and the US could respond with war. Better to hit the US first with a surprise attack. So waiting till next year seems to be very risky.

5. 120 food processing plants being burned down sure looks like an act of war.

6. The Pandemic sure looks like an act of war.

7. What better time to attack the US than when their puppet, Joe Biden, is president. Already various states are discussing decertification of the election. There is no guarantee that Biden will still be president in a year.

I think China would have loved to have taken over the US without firing a shot and had Hillary won the election I think they would have had a real possibility to do that. However, Trump's election threw a monkey wrench in that and the threat that he could return shortly must have them worried.

8. What is the point of doing these lockdowns over 3 or 4 people having Covid? Either Xi has gone off his rocker or he hasn't. If he hasn't one reasonable explanation is that they are practicing for the takeover of Taiwan.

9. Taiwan's navy is in position and Russia will also be in position during their war games in Central and South America this month.

10. We have two different prophets telling us that the attack on Taiwan will precede the rapture and the attack on the US.
 

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You can listen to a lot of experts and they feel that China was preparing for a 2025 takeover of Taiwan. However people need to realize, in a war you are not always able to act when you would want to.

Let's consider a few factors that could impact this.

1. Russia's invasion of Ukraine. We have a military alliance between Russia and China. It is always better to have a two front war against your enemy. So if they need to attack now to get Russia to work with them then that is a big motivating factor.

2. Collapse of China's banking and real estate markets. They have already had to roll out tanks to guard the banks and they have spooked foreign investment. Already it looks like a $300 billion collapse. Following the worldwide collapse there is no country able to help China weather this storm. The impact of this bubble bursting could take ten years or even more to overcome. So waiting till 2025 is very likely not an option.

3. The Red wave in the US midterm election will result in the Trump movement doing real hearings into Covid. This could result in the US pinning the pandemic on China and crippling them with worldwide sanctions. Again, waiting a year may not be an option for China.

4. The Red wave in the US midterm election will result in the Trump movement doing real hearings into election fraud. If China is convicted they will be guilty of insurrection and the US could respond with war. Better to hit the US first with a surprise attack. So waiting till next year seems to be very risky.

5. 120 food processing plants being burned down sure looks like an act of war.

6. The Pandemic sure looks like an act of war.

7. What better time to attack the US than when their puppet, Joe Biden, is president. Already various states are discussing decertification of the election. There is no guarantee that Biden will still be president in a year.

I think China would have loved to have taken over the US without firing a shot and had Hillary won the election I think they would have had a real possibility to do that. However, Trump's election threw a monkey wrench in that and the threat that he could return shortly must have them worried.

8. What is the point of doing these lockdowns over 3 or 4 people having Covid? Either Xi has gone off his rocker or he hasn't. If he hasn't one reasonable explanation is that they are practicing for the takeover of Taiwan.

9. Taiwan's navy is in position and Russia will also be in position during their war games in Central and South America this month.
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Stop blaming God, you are leaning on your own understanding, that is why you are a failure.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

This really angers me, those that do this should be condemned. As a teacher you heard from everyone that "teaching to the test doesn't work". What does this mean, it is idiotic. You could never understand this if you didn't see it first hand because you would never make this up.

First, we were told, we were required, to use data to inform our teaching. Businesses do this, the military does this, every fortune 500 company does this.

So then, here is how they applied this city wide in NYC. They would print out your test results. There are 80 questions, so for each question they would show the percentage right and the percentage wrong. The principal would look at this, see the five questions that most kids got wrong and tell the teacher to spend more time on those. It would appear that spending more time on the questions most kids got wrong will be an effective way to improve your overall score by a couple of percent going forward. However, this is an idiotic approach by those who have never studied statistical analysis. I will explain why in a second, but think how arrogant this is, you are the principal, your job is to use statistical analysis, you have never studied this, yet instead of getting a few books and studying over the summer to catch up you simply assume you know how to do this.

I realized this approach that they were directing us to take was idiotic. Regardless of whether a teacher is doing terrible, in the bottom 25% of the city or great in the top 5% of the city, either way there will always be the 5 questions that most kids got wrong. So every year, just like a hamster on his little wheel, they will be directing you to spend more time here, more time there, etc. The problem is they don't give you more time, so more time on this is less time on something else. This is not a real strategy.

So I got a book on statistical analysis and they told me a story which I immediately saw I could apply to my situation teaching kids. The Air force wanted to reduce the number of planes being shot down, so they wanted to put more armor on the planes to protect them. However, more armor will make the planes heavier and slower and easier to shoot. So they wanted the bare minimum of armor necessary. They brought in some mathematicians. They assumed they would find where most of the bullets were hitting, and then put more armor in those places (in this analogy a bullet hitting the plane is a question a kid got wrong). But instead the statisticians said that you should put the armor where there were no bullets (spend more time on the questions the kids got right). They explained, these planes were not shot down, they returned to the base (for my analogy these are kids who passed the exam but got some questions wrong). The places where there are no bullets, those are the critical parts where if a bullet hits that the plane will go down. In other words I realized there are core concepts that every kid who leaves my class must know. There are other questions that are more obscure that are less critical. In order to pass the test you have to get at least half the questions on the exam right. So instead of looking for the 5 questions most kids got wrong I looked at the 40 questions that most of the kids who passed the exam got right. That was my "core", my essential concepts that everyone must know. Once I started doing that I saw yearly improvement. First I eliminated all the tests of the kids who failed. If you get more than 50% of the questions on a multiple choice test wrong you are guessing a lot. I felt their guessing would ruin my data. Then I identified the 40 questions most of them got right. If everyone in my class knew those questions going into the test they all would pass. This strategy simplifies what you need to focus on rather than increasing your work like a hamster wheel, you become focused like light going through a magnifying glass.

Let me give you another example. Suppose your year long course required each kid to build a house. If the house is closed in and will keep the rain out they get a 65. If it is completely finished with carpet, and paint, and all the other niceties they get 100. What do you think would be the parts that most kids did not finish? Painting the walls? Putting down carpet? Can you imagine your principal tells you to spend more time teaching kids how to lay carpet, do you think that will help more kids complete their house in the year? Actually if you spent more time in helping kids get the foundation done right and a little quicker, that would have a far bigger impact.

So let's go back to these verses in James. If you used the data to identify the five questions most kids got wrong and spent more time on them only to see your kids do worse on the exam do not say that statistical analysis doesn't work. Instead say I need to study statistical analysis so that I can use it properly.

Next, what is your strategy to "spend more time" on these questions? What you do is quite simple, in order to get into long term memory I cover a question on Monday, I will ask you a question on it again on Tuesday, and then again on Thursday and then again next Wednesday, and then again two weeks later, and again a month after that. Your brain needs to know this is not something it can simply discard as useless information. Second, I would search through the exams for the last ten years and find four or five different ways the same question is asked. When you first teach it you introduce three or four ways. Then the next day you review those and add any additional ways. Then as you continue to revisit this topic over the next two to three months you ask the questions using the variety of ways.
 

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"China won't attack the US because it is a stupid idea"

HaHaHa, you are funny. You think China won't attack the US because it is a stupid idea. That is like saying Hitler won't attack Russia because it is a stupid idea.

The Bible says that the Great Babylon will be destroyed in an hour.

So then who is the Great Babylon?

Could it be Iraq? Could you say this about Iraq?

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

No.

So then it is a nation that has made the entire world drunk with the wine of her fornication. Maybe that is talking about Hollywood, maybe it is talking about McDonald's and Coca Cola. China is a "merchant of the earth". What nation has caused China and India to wax rich?

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Is there any nation that has lived any more deliciously than the US since WWII? Any nation that has glorified itself more than the US? The US has claimed they were the super power. Any other nation try to make that claim? The US has boasted how we fight wars on foreign soil, we don't fight wars on our soil. We won't see sorrow. Other countries have famines, we are the breadbasket of the world. Other countries have plagues, we send doctors and Bill Gates to those countries.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

What country has set up many puppet leaders like they did in the Middle East? Who pays the way for NATO?

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

What is the biggest consumer nation?

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

What nation has all the deep water ports? Not Russia, not Iraq. This nation makes all that have ships in the sea rich. In the Atlantic? yep. In the Pacific? yep.

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

What nation has deceived all the other nations with their pharmacopea (sorcery)?

23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

What nation went around killing and assassinating people all over the earth, whether by the CIA, multinational corporations or with bioweapons? Because after she is destroyed someone is going to lay out the evidence to the UN that this is true. Who, who, who could this be?

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 

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God meant for us to fly, that is why He gave us faith

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Let's be careful, I hear this error all the time.

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.


Every good gift. God cares about all that we do and wants all of us to do a work of faith in whatever endeavor we are in. You can be a policeman, someone in the military, you could work in computers, or in politics, or the medical profession, or with big Pharma, etc. Do not limit the Lord's grace. I have heard Christians say they don't care about election integrity because "it will all sort itself out in the end". Yes, it will, because of people like Mordecai and Esther putting their lives on the line as they do a work of faith and stand in the gap. People used to say that if God meant for us to fly He would have given us wings. Well, God meant for us to fly, that is why He gave us faith.

18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
 

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What is happening in South Korea! ⚠️ It's the end of the world ! Terrible devastating storm in Seoul
 

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The measure of your life

Luke 12:16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: 17 and he reasoned within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have not where to bestow my fruits? 18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my grain and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, be merry. 20 But God said unto him, Thou foolish one, this night is thy soul required of thee; and the things which thou hast prepared, whose shall they be? 21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

Imagine you were a billionaire in January of 2020 and then you lost $400 million, maybe $800 million with the stock market falling. You could have changed thousands of lives, you could have literally saved people who were starving, about to be evicted, or unable to pay tuition. You could literally have 2,000 people show up to testify on your behalf at the judgement seat of Christ, but instead you tried to hold onto that money and ‘poof’ it is gone. At the end of the age the Lord will bring a wrecking ball to the world's economy, a condemned building, and any opportunity that you had to make a deposit into a heavenly bank account will be gone.

22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. 23 For the life is more than the food, and the body than the raiment.

Therefore is a reference to the fact that riches are here today and gone tomorrow. They are like a vapor. It isn't accurate to say they don't exist, they do, but they are like that paper that magicians use that can burn up in a flash without leaving any ash. You can use the money today to store up treasure for yourself eternally in heaven, or you can hold tightly onto it and it will go poof and will be gone.

24 Consider the ravens, that they sow not, neither reap; which have no store-chamber nor barn; and God feedeth them: of how much more value are ye than the birds! 25 And which of you by being anxious can add a cubit unto the measure of his life?

“The measure of his life”. Isn’t that a great phrase? I suppose it refers to your legacy, only a legacy is the human perspective and “the measure” sounds more like God’s perspective. It is so true, we don't care how much money a person had when we look at their "legacy". Take John D Rockefeller, he was exceptionally rich, but his legacy has very little to do with that. We consider the oil industry he built up and the money he gave away. We also consider the children he raised.

26 If then ye are not able to do even that which is least, why are ye anxious concerning the rest?

This is just amazing. He is still talking about “our Father, hallowed be thy name” versus those that want the chief seats and most respected names. The Lord is still teaching us to pray and He is telling you that “anxiety” is the killer. We hope for things we don’t see yet, we must pray by faith, love is more powerful than knowledge. But, anxiety is a killer, it is not of faith, hope or love.

27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they toil not, neither do they spin; yet I say unto you, Even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 But if God doth so clothe the grass in the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven; how much more shall he clothe you, O ye of little faith?

“But now the LORD said, Be it far from me; for them that honor me I will honor, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.” 1Sam 2:30 Let God clothe you. Trust Jesus, you can’t do better than that.

29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, and what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.

Doubt and anxiety, two killers to powerful, prevailing prayer. Do you know why we doubt? Because we are not aligned with God’s will. If you know God’s will and you know His promises and your prayer is aligned with that, you will not struggle with doubt.

30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: but your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 Yet seek ye his kingdom, and these things shall be added unto you.

This is a continuation on His lesson on how to pray. He said “seek and you shall find”. You need to couple that with “seek His kingdom” and “seek ye not what ye shall eat and what ye shall drink”.

32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Don’t be anxious, don’t be doubtful, don’t fear those that will kill you. This is God’s desire. He is going to make it happen. Look at how far we have already come.
 

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Be swift to hear, slow to speak

19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

We are so quick to mock. One of the most incredible stories I ever heard was the one that was never written. The Wright brothers were working on making an airplane and in their little town they would often be seen flying around in circles in the air. That should have been front page news and yet the local paper never wrote a story on it! Can you believe that? This was considered one of the greatest inventions of the century and people in the town could obviously see them doing this and yet the newspaper never wrote a story to break the news? This is our problem, we are swift to speak and really, really slow to hear. Now suppose the owner of that paper was all anxious and upset because he was having trouble selling papers! Of course you are having trouble, you couldn't break a news story if it hit you over the head with a two by four. No doubt this newspaper was writing stories every day and filling up their newspaper with a bunch of trivial stuff that no one can remember today. They were swift to speak and slow to hear.

20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

I knew that what I was doing as a teacher was working the righteousness of God. When you have that assurance it gives you a lot of peace to eliminate wrath. I could see every year we were improving and making steady progress towards my goal (my goal was that my class would score at the top 1% of NYC schools, there are 400 so I wanted our average score on the Regents exam to be one of the top four in the city). I knew that if I listened carefully and was swift to implement anything the Lord said that we would reach this goal. Along the way there were things that caused the rest of the science department to become very upset. The principal was always giving us bad reviews because we were not in lockstep with her advice. However, when I showed her the data that the science department showed the greatest improvement in scores over a two year period of any school in NYC that changed her attitude. From that point on she showed the teachers a lot more respect.
 

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Straightway open up to Him

33 Sell that which ye have, and give alms; make for yourselves purses which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief draweth near, neither moth destroyeth. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Do you know why so many people are screaming about Covid even though it doesn’t make any sense at all? Do you know why NY and the rest of the country shut down when we had 3,622 cases of Covid (March 15th) but were screaming that we have to reopen when we are approaching 5,000,000 cases? Their treasure is failing, the thief is emptying their bank account every day they stay closed, just like moths eating your clothes. They are revealing where their heart is. Wail, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow in ashes, ye principal of the flock; for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are fully come, and ye shall fall like a goodly vessel. Jeremiah 25:34. In every pandemic the rulers and “shepherds” get slaughtered. The Black plague led to rebellion against the Catholic church and the Pope. It also ended serfdom. The great plague in London led to a parliamentary system of government. The beginning of democracy and the waning of the rule of kings. The Spanish flu led to an expansion of the middle class.

35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lamps burning; 36 and be ye yourselves like unto men looking for their lord, when he shall return from the marriage feast; that, when he cometh and knocketh, they may straightway open unto him.

I just love some of these phrases. “Straightway open unto him”. It has been very clear from Christian forums that many were not ready to “straightway open unto him”. If you are all in you will immediately realize the Lord is heading to Jerusalem for the last dance.

37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them sit down to meat, and shall come and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, and if in the third, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

What a wonderful promise. I have really dived into the news and social media and forums at this time. Everything is so confusing, trying to figure it out, looking at the prophecies, checking the public pronouncements with my own statistical analysis. Yet this is just one tiny little aspect, that so many are questioning this or that, trying to sow doubt or confusion. 2,000 years ago the Lord saw all of this, he saw those who would be sowing doubt and He gave us this wonderful promise. When I read verses like this I am just overcome, Jesus is Lord, there is no one like Him. Everyone else is distracted with the Antichrist, the mark of the beast, pre trib or post trib, and what is it that the Lord is focused on? Those servants who had their loins girded and their lamps lit and who opened to Him straightway.
 

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Be ye doers and not hearers only

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

It is very easy to look at the US being 28th in education, or look at the corruption in our government, or look at so many other things and become a complainer. It is one thing to lawfully protest, it is another to trespass, loot and riot.

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Action, action, action. That is the mantra of Steve Bannon. We can't be those who sit around and gripe about everything. If you can do better, then do so, if you can't then who are you to be griping about everyone else?