Many are called but few are chosen

[The_Watchers_2017]

Do you mean a Latin translation of the Greek text which was then translated into English.

The latter translations of the Greek text used the Latin text.

think about the Ramification you just brought to life.

Jerome used Authentic, Closest to the literal Actual Source to the Disciples, Paul, his Entourage Greek Text.

1,100 years later, the basis for the KJV, Textus Receptus used Jerome's LATIN to convert back to Greek + English.

People [[((WITH A BRAIN))]], know if you take a word from Greek and translate it to Latin and translate it back to Greek or into English it is only 60% always the same meaning of the Original Greek.

this is why the KJV has literally 251 MORE VERSES and over 1,000 more WORDS than its supposed to have!

those 251 Verses + 1,000 More Words [[((ARE NOT FROM GOD OR INSPIRED))]]!

they are ungodly human words!

 

[Inquisitor]

You referred to the Latin Vulgate.
I asked if you read Latin.

Yes, but extremely slowly.

I also can read Greek but also very slowly.

I do not translate Hebrew or Latin, I merely check the usage of many words in the New Testament by the translators.

If you ever want to translate the Koine Greek text, free of any church bias. Then consult any modern, educated, Greek speaking academic. The Koine Greek is their language after all.

If I wanted an exact translation of a text from the Middle Ages, that was written in the older form of Engllsh. Then I consult the experts in that older English language, probably from an English University (Oxford or Cambridge).

Here is a point you might find interesting.

A very common word in the New Testament is the English word 'believe', and for good reason.

So what is the Koine Greek word for 'believe' in the Greek text?

Pisteou

Yet, this Koine Greek word, 'Pisteou', is also translated as 'faith' by some translators.

But 'faith' is a Latin translation of the Greek Pisteou?

Therefore, the question is, how can the Latin word 'faith' be an English translation of the Greek?

The answer is in the source text for the early English translations.

 

[Inquisitor]

think about the Ramification you just brought to life.

Jerome used Authentic, Closest to the literal Actual Source to the Disciples, Paul, his Entourage Greek Text.

1,100 years later, the basis for the KJV, Textus Receptus used Jerome's LATIN to convert back to Greek + English.

People [[((WITH A BRAIN))]], know if you take a word from Greek and translate it to Latin and translate it back to Greek or into English it is only 60% always the same meaning of the Original Greek.

this is why the KJV has literally 251 MORE VERSES and over 1,000 more WORDS than its supposed to have!

those 251 Verses + 1,000 More Words [[((ARE NOT FROM GOD OR INSPIRED))]]!

they are ungodly human words!

Hole in one.

The early German and English translations have a level of usage of Latin words. Because their primary text was the Vulgate.

Latin was the common language of all academics for over a thousand years.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Hole in one.

The early German and English translations have a level of usage of Latin words. Because their primary text was the Vulgate.

Latin was the common language of all academics for over a thousand years.

Amen and Agreed 100%

 

[Bluesproverb]

Your claim is that the following verse is meaningless.

Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed the same way, in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

You claim that some Christian's names cannot be erased from the book of life. Hence, God's warning was not a warning.

Further, there is no need to overcome anything as a Christian, because all the chosen are winners.

Thus we can remove that verse from the book of Revelation, as it is a false statement. God is not allowed to erase any name!

Now we arrive at a place no one wants to arrive at.

How can anyone baptized by Calvin, know that they are really one of the elect?

Have a good day.

 

[brightfame52]

There are those who insist it is possible.

I know, its a bunch of them

 

[Bluesproverb]

I know, its a bunch of them

Blows your mind doesn't it?

How is someone Saved when they can stop being....Saved?

🤔🙄

 

[CorrectiveLens]

Yes, and you were in error.


You don't realize you've just contradicted your own argument.

Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

That is divine determinism.
The names of God's Elect- Chosen by name before the creation of the world and written by God into The Lamb's Book of Life, and referred to in other parts of scripture too, is divine predestination of The Elect by name.

Which is evidence your statement,Individual election to salvation is definitely not what the scripture ever states, is in error.

To be chosen in Him means that we become part of Christ's spiritual body and are in Him. Because we have the Holy Spirit of the Father, just like Christ does and who is in the Father, so are we in the Father also. I don't think that most people understand the meaning of in Him.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Your reasoning ability is lacking, if you are applying us-ward to have reference to all mankind. That would be completely out of context..

Perish (separation from God's fellowship) does not separate them from their promise of an eternal inheritance. Where in my explanation did I say that they lost their eternal salvation? It is not there, because I did not say it.

Usward-
adverb Archaic.
toward us.

 

[Inquisitor]

To be chosen in Him means that we become part of Christ's spiritual body and are in Him. Because we have the Holy Spirit of the Father, just like Christ does and who is in the Father, so are we in the Father also. I don't think that most people understand the meaning of in Him.

I agree with your post.

Here is another two verses that express the equivalent idea.

Romans 8:28-29
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son...

For those whom He foreknew (the Jews), he also predestined TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON.

Both Ephesians 1 and Romans 8, are talking about the imitation of the Christ by us. That is what is specifically predestined to occur.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I agree with your post.

Here is another two verses that express the equivalent idea.

Romans 8:28-29
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son...

For those whom He foreknew (the Jews), he also predestined TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON.

Both Ephesians 1 and Romans 8, are talking about the imitation of the Christ by us. That is what is specifically predestined to occur.

Your interpolating (the Jews) in Romans 8:28-29 is Eisegesis. Not Exegesis.

Those he foreknew.
προγινώσκω (proginōskō)
Strong: G4267

GK: G4589

to know beforehand, to be previously acquainted with, Acts 26:5; 2 Pet. 3:17; to determine on beforehand, to foreordain, 1 Pet. 1:20; in NT, from the Hebrew, to foreknow, to appoint as the subject of future privileges, Rom. 8:29; 11:2

Why would you do that?

When we are all one in Christ Jesus. And there is no Jew,Gentile,Greek,male,female. [Galatians 3]

 

[Inquisitor]

Your interpolating (the Jews) in Romans 8:28-29 is Eisegesis. Not Exegesis.

Those he foreknew.
προγινώσκω (proginōskō)
Strong: G4267
GK: G4589

to know beforehand, to be previously acquainted with, Acts 26:5; 2 Pet. 3:17; to determine on beforehand, to foreordain, 1 Pet. 1:20; in NT, from the Hebrew, to foreknow, to appoint as the subject of future privileges, Rom. 8:29; 11:2

Why would you do that?

When we are all one in Christ Jesus. And there is no Jew,Gentile,Greek,male,female. [Galatians 3]

"To be previously acquainted with", is exactly the meaning of the Koine Greek Proginosko.

'pro' means before.

'ginosko' means to know.

The Old Testament states most strongly, that God knew the Jews, thousands of years before He knew the Gentiles.

I am baffled as to how you misunderstand the purpose of the letter to the Romans.

The first eleven chapters are fixated upon the Jews. The Gentiles barely get a mention.

Romans 2:24
For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

Paul is directly addressing the Jews in chapter 2.

Romans 3:1
Then what advantage does the Jew have?

On and on it goes.

God foreknew the Jews and that is a fact.

The Jews were not destined for salvation even though God chose the Jews beforehand.

The Jews were grafted out and are still grafted out, even up to this very day.

Your claim of a personal, divine determinism, lies shattered on the ground.

 

[brightfame52]

To be chosen in Him means that we become part of Christ's spiritual body and are in Him. Because we have the Holy Spirit of the Father, just like Christ does and who is in the Father, so are we in the Father also. I don't think that most people understand the meaning of in Him.

Individuals did become members of Christs Spiritual Body before the foundation in Election, since He was Gods Elect, so are His members chosen in Him Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now the word in Him means that we were His Seed in Him, just like the words In Adam 1 Cor 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

We were in Adam at the time of his Creation because he was our natural father, we were as to say in his loins, like levi was stated to be in the loins of Abraham Heb 7:9-10

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

See it says Levi payed tithes in Abraham, he was chosen by God and put in Abraham, no action of his put him in Abraham, it was by Divine Decree and Purpose. So it was with the elect being in Adam, and so it was with the elect being n Christ, its Gods purpose that constitutes it a Truth. So the elect have always been in Christ even before the foundation, and that as individuals, like levi as an individual was in the loins of Abraham.

 

[brightfame52]

Blows your mind doesn't it?

How is someone Saved when they can stop being....Saved?

🤔🙄

Yeah thats what happens, that type of thinking, when folk believe salvation, staying saved is a work of man.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Yeah thats what happens, that type of thinking, when folk believe salvation, staying saved is a work of man.

And at the end of their life they'll find they weren't in Salvation the whole time.

Shall they argue then with God? ''CALVINIST!''

 

[Bluesproverb]

"To be previously acquainted with", is exactly the meaning of the Koine Greek Proginosko.

'pro' means before.

'ginosko' means to know.

The Old Testament states most strongly, that God knew the Jews, thousands of years before He knew the Gentiles.

I am baffled as to how you misunderstand the purpose of the letter to the Romans.

The first eleven chapters are fixated upon the Jews. The Gentiles barely get a mention.

Romans 2:24
For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

Paul is directly addressing the Jews in chapter 2.

Romans 3:1
Then what advantage does the Jew have?

On and on it goes.

God foreknew the Jews and that is a fact.

The Jews were not destined for salvation even though God chose the Jews beforehand.

The Jews were grafted out and are still grafted out, even up to this very day.

Your claim of a personal, divine determinism, lies shattered on the ground.

No, it doesn't at all. Your Eisegesis and that which sounds just like you are not arguing for the Gospel.

When God saved me, and every actual Christian here, you should realize you are the ones who are false and confounded.

And while that is your plight, for me and my sister's and brothers in Christ, you are a blessing. 💕😊🕊️📖🙏

You are the scriptures, alive and proving God's foreknowledge us eternal. As we've always known. To see it displayed before us, and so passionately the narcissism of the natural man railing against God's divine plan as you insist contrary to what God said, that instead it is true the fallen natural mind can understand the things of the spirit and choose Jesus.
And then their choice will
let God enter and work in them is not scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

And at the end of their life they'll find they weren't in Salvation the whole time.

Shall they argue then with God? ''CALVINIST!''

You know Jesus said there will be people that shall happen to Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

what i find hilarious the most is we read in the Bible from Joshua CHOOSE YE THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE, BUT AS FOR MY HOUSE "WE WILL SERVE" THE LORD!"

and all throughout this this thread, a COUPLE OF SQUARE PEGS want to apply CHOOSING GOD as an ACT of WORKS.

Choosing God is simply CHOOSING God! God does everything. There's no WORK involved. Choosing is just deciding whom to Serve between God and Satan.

The ignorance has life in those who are blinded!

 

[Hazelelponi]

Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

Matthew 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Matthew 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matthew 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Matthew 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

Matthew 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Matthew 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

Matthew 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

Matthew 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.



The chosen
GOD has those who are born to do HIS WILL. They do not have free choice. He knew them before, they have been pre ordained. They are pre saved.

IN MY WORDS FOR THE EFFECT and not for truth

They are those such as Moses, who said Not me, I stutter.
Or Jonah who said Nope and ended up in a great fishes belly 3 days.
Jeremaih who said, I'm too young.


THEY didn't have a choice. Being saved already, GOD could use them however He saw fit.

I could be wrong but it seems to me most of those who are chosen have a pretty tough to a very tough to a killed doing service life. So to be chosen SOUNDS GOOD but it seems to come with lots of trials and tribulations and beatings and torture.


The called - US, WE, Christians
We hear the words of God that the chosen scribed for God. Those words tell the events of what other chosen ones did. God used the chosen to get the calling done.

Are there still chosen today? I don't know. I personally believe the next 'chosen' the world will know of are the two witnesses. I

But who knows, maybe once we are called and we have attained, we become 'chosen' to call others as servants of God. Either way it's all good. If I were to guess I would say if someone were 'chosen' today, they would spend ALL of their time in the service of God and nothing but the service of God.


God is not a respecter of persons so it doesn't matter one way or the other. God loves us and we love God. Chosen or called.

When Scripture says God is no respector of persons it's meaning is that He doesn't only bestow His favor upon something that person has done (ie what the world would call worthy). You can be Jew or of Gentile decent, rich or poor, smart or of lesser intelligence, ugly or beautiful etc etc, so on and so forth, and still be chosen by God.

The Scripture you mentioned - allow me to illustrate something for you:

Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,

Matthew 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

[certain King is God, Israel is the Bride, Christ is the Son]

Matthew 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. [Israel/Jews are those bidden - His servants are the Prophets]

Matthew 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

Matthew 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

Matthew 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. [The killing of the Prophets, the disciples and the apostles]

Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. [Destruction of Jerusalem, 7 years war in 70AD]

Matthew 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

Matthew 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. [The Gospel going forth now to the Gentiles]

Matthew 22:10 So those servant's went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 22:14 For many are called but few are chosen.

The King freely handed out nice garments for the guest's to wear, the garment we put on is Christ. The perfect covering for our sin that God/the King provides. We can choose not to put on Christ - and be Christian in name only, or we can put on Christ as a free gift...

For many are called [there is a general calling to all mankind], but few are chosen [the chosen without fail will put on the garment - not everyone will be saved]

This isn't an argument against predestination - Jesus will loose none out of His Hand that the Father gave Him, not one. But there are others who will be living as Christian in name only (the wheat and the chaff growing together), and they might think themselves truly saved but they missed the point and will be cast into hell, in the end.

This means the general calling which we are required to do (the Gospel going to every tribe, nation and tongue) is not the effectual calling. The only effectual calling comes via the Grace of God alone, for His Glory.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I missed the highlighting of my own words so I'm going to try posting again... Lol