And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

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ABSOLUTELY Christendom has been wrong all these centuries. It had already gone off the tracks in the first one, right?
Well, this comment certainly clears up a lot. So, for "ALL these centuries" easily means since the BEGINNING of Christianity when the church began. So, obviously all your Christianity bashing shows that you are NOT Christian. So, what are you: SDA or JW. They both bash Christianity.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Please explain better. I don't see different groups.
Study to show yourself approved.
OK, so you don't want to explain yourself so others can understand your posts. Fine.

btw, I DO study the Scripture the same way the Bereans did. And when I apply their method to your posts and claims, I find that you DON'T have Scriptural support for your claims.
 
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Yes, I see it in all your speculative posts.
I UNDERSTAND. Completely expected. It must be all the Scripture that backs it up that YOU SEE as speculative. I just love it when someone accuses me of what they do.



I only point this out so EVERYONE can take note. ALL they have to do is go and read the posts. AS THEY ARE for ever and ever also.

DOES THAT MEAN I CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT RE WRITE THEM EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY FROM NOW ON?


No, THAT isn't what it means at all.

It means I wrote them and for ever I will have written them.

Now this would be a conclusion

Since I wrote them and that will be true for ever, I don't have to keep writing them

then

If I was killed, I would be dead for ever and no one would have to keep killing me TO KEEP ME DEAD.
 
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kleronomos said:
ABSOLUTELY Christendom has been wrong all these centuries. It had already gone off the tracks in the first one, right?
Yes seems to be the case.
So then, both of you admit that you are not Christians.

Are you both SDA or JW, or are you 2 one each.

i have good reason to believe that the widespread confusion on eternal torment on account of the present day church is for two reasons.
Don't blame anything on the "present church" which isn't even an entity. What a bogus excuse.

The Bible is clear about what happens in the LOF. Everyone who will be cast into it will suffer the same thing.

ONLY IF the Bible made clear in the context in Rev 20 that there will be a difference in outcome in being thrown into the LOF would your claims be credible.
 
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IF ONLY THAT WERE WRITTEN.

IF THEY WERE THEN THE HOLY ANGELS AND THE LAMB WOULD BE PRESENT AT THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR EVER AND EVER.

GO SELL IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. I AM NOT BUYING.
You’re right it isn’t written. The eternal torment crowd has to make things up to keep the deception alive. Seems like they are wasting a lot of energy just preaching falsehoods when we’re actually doing the Lord’s will by continually spreading the truth. Big difference.
 
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Nice try. I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who died for my sins and freely gives the gift of eternal life to all who believe in Him for it.
Kinda hard to believe given all your bashing of Christianity, and "from the beginning" no less. We read all about the "beginning" in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Which you bash.
 
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kleronomos said:
ABSOLUTELY Christendom has been wrong all these centuries. It had already gone off the tracks in the first one, right?

So then, both of you admit that you are not Christians.

Are you both SDA or JW, or are you 2 one each.


Don't blame anything on the "present church" which isn't even an entity. What a bogus excuse.

The Bible is clear about what happens in the LOF. Everyone who will be cast into it will suffer the same thing.

ONLY IF the Bible made clear in the context in Rev 20 that there will be a difference in outcome in being thrown into the LOF would your claims be credible.
So you admit you’re Catholic then?
 
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Kinda hard to believe given all your bashing of Christianity, and "from the beginning" no less. We read all about the "beginning" in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Which you bash.
You’re bashing Christianity. Catholics do that.
 
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Kinda hard to believe given all your bashing of Christianity, and "from the beginning" no less. We read all about the "beginning" in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Which you bash.


95 AD or so THE ASSESSMENT OF THE CHURCHES BY CHRIST JESUS OF WHICH YOU MUST BE WHOLLY IGNORANT

Revelation 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Revelation 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

Revelation 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

Revelation 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Revelation 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Revelation 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
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Kinda hard to believe given all your bashing of Christianity, and "from the beginning" no less. We read all about the "beginning" in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Which you bash.
Liar.

Here’s what I said:

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Yes seems to be the case. i have good reason to believe that the widespread confusion on eternal torment on account of the present day church is for two reasons.

Firstly, the New Testament doesn’t always accurately translate the word soul. This is apparent for anyone with an open mind dives into studying how the word soul is used for an hour or two. I won’t be opening that here. People who really want to know can go look.

Secondly, traditions and doctrines of men influenced church thought from an early stage, possibly from pagan influences like Plato, that gave people the false idea that the soul is unconditionally immortal.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Yes, I see it in all your speculative posts.
I UNDERSTAND. Completely expected. It must be all the Scripture that backs it up that YOU SEE as speculative. I just love it when someone accuses me of what they do.
Well, I would never bash Christianity, which is what you keep doing. You cannot prove from Scripture that those at the GWT judgment will cease to exist when the first 3 plus all the fallen angels will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Pure speculation.

I only point this out so EVERYONE can take note. ALL they have to do is go and read the posts. AS THEY ARE for ever and ever also.
No, your posts aren't everlasting, as much as you'd like to think (presume) they are.

If I was killed, I would be dead for ever and no one would have to keep killing me TO KEEP ME DEAD.
Irrelevant to what will happen in the LOF. All you ever focus on is the body. Yes, it will die again. But in the very context of being thrown into the LOF, there is NOTHING said about souls ceasing to exist. But you just keep trying to force your opinion into the text.

We know clearly what will happen to the beast, FP and all the fallen angels when they are cast into the LOF.

And IMMEDIATELY following is the LOF and all the rest of the unbelievers, being cast into the LOF.

Yet, you presume they won't exist after being thrown into the LOF, even though there is nothing in the context that says so.

And you have to reject the verses where Jesus tells people that on the day of judgment (when all unbelievers will be cast into the LOF) it will be "more tolerable" for some than for others.

How can that be IF IF IF all souls will cease to exist? How can there is ANY "tolerableness" at all?

But, neither of you 2 will answer this, I suspect.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Kinda hard to believe given all your bashing of Christianity, and "from the beginning" no less. We read all about the "beginning" in the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Which you bash.
You’re bashing Christianity.
All your LIES mean nothing. Prove that I have bashed Christianity from my posts. Cite the post # and quote my statement.

Otherwise, you have no credibility. And you have NEVER proven ANY of your wild claims against me. You are empty.

Catholics do that.
Not my problem.
 
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Read my posts. I made my position very clear. Quit asking such stupid questions, please.
Read my posts. I made my position quite clear. I’m a Christian, not a cultist. Don’t be ridiculous. I wouldn’t step foot in a Kingdom Hall or a SDA building.