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The Kingdom of Christ Given to the Father
Jesus was forsaken by the Father at the Crucifixion
What does the Bible say about the Holy Spirit Being the Third Person of the Trinity?
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My Hebrew was my first language. I recognize simple grammar. My point is God is one being. The members of the Trinity are part of the godhead.
New International Version
God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.
If you are made in God's image. And you claim God is 3 different persons in one. Are you 3 different persons in one?
Elohim, the Creator, gave us His Word to know Him.
If you believe His words and pray, seeking understanding, HE will reveal His Truth to you.
Start here = Genesis chapter 1
"Then Elohim(God) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;" = 3x
Since HE alone is God, i suggest you believe His words = Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”
2 Corinthians 3:14 KJV
have you noticed how many different names you find in the ot for God ? But never once do you hear Jesus name ?
But when he comes into thee world throughout the gospel forward and New Testament you find only the name Jesus deified or mentioned for salvation or baptism ? “ the name of the father son and holy ghost is Jesus throughout the New Testament
“…and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you…..
Exodus 3:13-15 KJV
“and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.”
Exodus 6:3 KJV
“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 42:8 KJV
“But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name.”
Isaiah 51:15 KJV
even things like this tell us that Jacob didn’t know his name but wanted to but knew him as the title of God remembering Jacob literally is israel
“And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?
And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
Genesis 32:24-30 KJV
Then again
“And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padan-aram, and blessed him. And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;”
Genesis 35:9-11 KJV
Just a few examples I’m sure your aware there are several examples of many names for God in ot , but then he starts in latter prophets saying that he’s going to come and make known his name to all nations beginning in Israel
“Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
…The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.”
Isaiah 52:6
when Jesus came one thing he accomplished was to make known Gods name
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
John 17:5-6 KJV
It’s odd we sometimes say “ trinity “ but then when the trinities name is revealed to mankind so we can believe in his name , it’s hard for us to hear it
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
Colossians 2:9 KJV
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
Matthew 28:19
“ baptize then in the name of the Godhead “
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
there’a one name with three titles one on earth son , one in heaven father , and one in our hearts spirit
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:5 KJV
“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
Colossians 3:17 KJV
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12
if “I am “, or “ Elohim “ or the Gkd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob “ or “jehovah” or any other name given among men for God was his name the New Testament doesn’t make any sense .in the ot he was foretelling tireless and things Christ would fulfill “ his name is the lord “ jesus “ the holy one of Israel “ jesus “ the “everlasting father” , jesus the son to be born in Israel Immanuel God among us “ jesus
the creator and God almighty , jesus the name wasn’t given j til the veil was removed and the gospel came we have to let this understanding of Gods name and person Go
“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
2 Corinthians 3:14-15
it’s why we often argue about his name some are looking into the veil seeing the many references to him like jehovah the provider , an aspect of Jesus who provides for us and then we’re becoming like israel and being blinded to the gospel and it’s revelation of our God and lord Jesus Christ
“in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
2 Corinthians 4:4-6
The is is Jesus brother it’s just hidden
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Genesis 1:1 KJV
until the revelation of the gospel came
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. …No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:1-3, 14, 18
they were blind and never knew Jesus even as he was among them no one ever knew his name until it was revealed in the gospel
Jesus is the true God on one being revealed To us in our own form so we can know and believe him he is the one who was speaking those things in the ot and the one who came forth fulfilling them in the new Jesus is Gods name forever and offers everlasting life
There are THREE PERSONs of the Godhead - not three names of One Person
Each PERSON of the Godhead has HIS Distinct Title
#1 FATHER #2 WORD/SON/YESHUA(Jesus) #3 HOLY SPIRIT
They are the ELOHIM who said "Let US make man in OUR Image according to OUR Likenss."
Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah and the Gospel of John, Acts and Revelation clarify this for us.
Peace
yeah I don’t know brother I know God is one and has one name and made himself known in Christ Jesus the Son
who is one and the same with the father
who offers his own Holy Spirit
“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
Jesus Christ is a different person from his own spirit ? How is that ? It’s his spirit why do you think it couldnt be given
Until Jesus does and rose and returned to heaven and was glorified ? Because it’s him his own spirit multiplied and manifest to us in our hearts through faith
the Holy Spirit is Jesus spirit , the spirit of God
and God the father is a different person from Jesus the son ?
“I and my Father are one.”
John 10:30
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:6-10 KJV
I don’t believe in three people being God , but one God who’s revealed himself in the old testsment before he became flesh the creator and invisible God
the gospel when he came and was made flesh among us
and afterwards when God is manifest in earth. Is not by the ot form or son in the flesh but the same God by his same spirit is with us
That’s my belief God is one being who manifests himself in three specific ways father in heaven , son who was born on earth , and Holy Spirit the sonss spirit in a believer on earth
it’s always the same God same one in the desert same one in the gospel same one in the heart
but brother it’s okay with me if you want to believe differently that God has theee seperate people it doesn’t affect me or my faith and I don’t have any issue with you believing that , I don’t really agree but it’s not my place to worry about it or try to insult or condemn you or anything lol or argue I’m just saying I thought it was basic understanding that God is one being who’s alwa ya been the same and had name
One single entity does not record for us these things:
a.) Elohim = Plural
b.) "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness."
c.) #1 Elohe Avraham #2 Elohe Isaac #3 Elohe Jacob = Exodus 3:14-15 = Elohe is Plural and means "Divine Ones" - "Rulers"
e.) "God is the Head of Christ, Christ is the Head of man, man is the head of woman" = 1 Corinthians 11:3
d.) For God(Father) so loved the world HE sent His Only Begotten Son
This next passage again clearly demonstrates for us the THREE PERSONS of the Godhead = John 14:15-18
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I(Jesus) will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of Truth(Holy Spirit), whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
a.) Jesus
b.) Father
c.) Spirit of Truth = Holy Spirit
We are to adjust our mind to be conformed by His Truth thru His Word = this is the Path we all must follow.
another Monkey Wrench i have always wondered about when you read the Hebrew Translation is the term capital letters LORD = YHWH = MOST HIGH GOD = or when you add ELOHIM = GOD MOST HIGH
so to the Ancient Hebrews LORD and ELOHIM = MOST HIGH GOD or GOD MOST HIGH!
why is this important?
2 Verses:
1. 2nd Chronicles 18:18
יח וַיֹּאמֶר, לָכֵן שִׁמְעוּ דְבַר-יְהוָה: רָאִיתִי אֶת-יְהוָה, יוֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסְאוֹ, וְכָל-צְבָא הַשָּׁמַיִם עֹמְדִים, עַל-יְמִינוֹ וּשְׂמֹאלוֹ.18
And he said: 'Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD: I saw ELOHIM sitting upon His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right hand and on His left.
and God wanted it repeated so we find it also in
2. 1st Kings 22:19
יט וַיֹּאמֶר, לָכֵן שְׁמַע דְּבַר-יְהוָה; רָאִיתִי אֶת-יְהוָה, יֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסְאוֹ, וְכָל-צְבָא הַשָּׁמַיִם עֹמֵד עָלָיו, מִימִינוֹ וּמִשְּׂמֹאלוֹ.19
And he said: 'Therefore hear thou the word of the LORD. I saw ELOHIM sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on his left.
interesting, it shows ONE PERSON ELOHIM surrounded by the entire Host of Heaven.
according to these Verses, NO ONE is Absent!
but this also leaves the question. where's the Triune Persons of Elohim if this is ALL of HEAVEN PRESENT?
so to the Ancient Hebrews LORD and ELOHIM = MOST HIGH GOD or GOD MOST HIGH!
why is this important?
2 Verses:
1. 2nd Chronicles 18:18
יח וַיֹּאמֶר, לָכֵן שִׁמְעוּ דְבַר-יְהוָה: רָאִיתִי אֶת-יְהוָה, יוֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסְאוֹ, וְכָל-צְבָא הַשָּׁמַיִם עֹמְדִים, עַל-יְמִינוֹ וּשְׂמֹאלוֹ.18
And he said: 'Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD: I saw ELOHIM sitting upon His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right hand and on His left.
and God wanted it repeated so we find it also in
2. 1st Kings 22:19
יט וַיֹּאמֶר, לָכֵן שְׁמַע דְּבַר-יְהוָה; רָאִיתִי אֶת-יְהוָה, יֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסְאוֹ, וְכָל-צְבָא הַשָּׁמַיִם עֹמֵד עָלָיו, מִימִינוֹ וּמִשְּׂמֹאלוֹ.19
And he said: 'Therefore hear thou the word of the LORD. I saw ELOHIM sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on his left.
interesting, it shows ONE PERSON ELOHIM surrounded by the entire Host of Heaven.
according to these Verses, NO ONE is Absent!
but this also leaves the question. where's the Triune Persons of Elohim if this is ALL of HEAVEN PRESENT?
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit....."
Matthew 28:19
Brings to mind 1 Timothy 3:16:
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
The numerous scriptures presented confirm that God and Jesus are one in the same.
The numerous scriptures presented prove beyond doubt/unbelief/error that Elohim is a Plurality of THREE:
FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT are ECHAD ELOHIM.
You need to study the Scriptures in the Hebrew from the Beginning.
#1 As it is written: "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness" - Genesis ch1
#2 As it is written: "When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting upon Him.
And suddenly a Voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Matt ch3
#3 As it is written: IAM WHO IAM......Yahweh Elohim of your fathers, Elohe Abraham Elohe Isaac Elohe Jacob - Exodus ch3
Repent from the error of modalism.
NO, it is not Biblical!
the 380 AD Greek Text, which is MORE AUTHENTIC than the 1,100 years later Textus Receptus shows us the correct Version of Hebrews 1:3 who, being the effulgence of his glory and the exact image of his essence.
essence [[IS NOT]] Person, nor ever will be!
the Nicene Creed even uses [[((ESSENCE))]] because they used the the Most Authentic Version of the Bible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father].
Steven Anderson is a HERETIC and will one day fulfill Verses found in Matthew 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
23 And then will I confess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
yes that’s exactly where it’s coming from
not the strength of Paul’s statement here the “absolute fact “ he begins stating in confidence “ without any valid debate or argument “ he says
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.”
I believe the new testsment scripture is the revelation and correct answers and thinking about God I don’t think we need to figure each verse out and then interpret its meaning but need to let each chapter say what it says until a clear message forms an understanding in our thinking
When the apostles says something like this “ God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the spirit , preached to gentiles , believed on in the world received up to glory “
every aspect of what he’s saying is a repeated theme of prophecy foretelling of Jesus and the gospel
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14 KJV
this son to be born Emmanuel , would be God manifest in the flesh walking among us it was fulfilled when Jesus was born
“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:23
This is telling them in the ot God woild
Be manifest in the flesh one day
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, ( Holy Ghost) The mighty God, The everlasting Father,( father ) The Prince of Peace. ( son )
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
He would be manifest in The flesh to reveal his glory to the world and shepherd his people
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,( johns ministry ) Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. ( Jesus )
Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. ( and the word became flesh )
….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
Isaiah 40:3-5, 8-11 KJV
I’ll stop with those couple , what I mean to say is the things the apostles are saying thier great informative letters are explaining what God always said would happen he would come to save us because no man was worthy to intercede and save us
In the ot after man corrupted earth God began to watch us and eventually
“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
Psalm 14:2-3 KJV
this doesn’t make him destroy us but instead he wanted someone to intercede for us but there was no one worthy so …..
“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:
therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.
…. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
Isaiah 59:15-18, 20-21 KJV
it’s him who created the heavens and earth , him who seperates the sea and delivered israel , him who came and was born in the flesh the son of man , and raised from dead glorified in the spirit as the son of God
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”
Romans 1:1, 3-4 KJV
His glorification in spirit means this for us the sons spirit who walked among us returns to us and lives within us just as he promised
“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
Acts 2:30, 32-33
At pentocost they receive the promises Jesus made them of this in the gospel before he died he had to live and die and walk with the fathers spirit and be glorified in heaven with him so we could be born of a new spirit We are the children he the father came to save us by bekng born the son nd overcoming the flesh and thy is world and being glorified in the spirit as we can now be
i have issue when the Bible translation one uses does not match up to the Creed one professes.
Anderson professes many Creeds but his Bible does not even match his Creeds!
Anderson professes many Creeds but his Bible does not even match his Creeds!
yes I feel I’m spinning wheels at this point so time for prayer on the matter , pullin out the big guns now