And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil

[FreeGrace2]

kleronomos said:
I think it is time for US to leave it in GODS HANDS. Anyone the Spirit is leading will be able to discern.

1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

I'll see you in the next thread!!!

I am depending on the Holy Spirit to help my flesh walk away. I pray you do the same. Let's just 'ignore' what has been exposed.

fair enough let's do that.

That's a good idea. Quit while you're behind. You can't defend anything. And you reveal how off the rails you are by equating "able to" with "will" and now, "He does" with He does not".

That's some logic, for sure.

 

[Runningman]

kleronomos said:
I think it is time for US to leave it in GODS HANDS. Anyone the Spirit is leading will be able to discern.

1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

I'll see you in the next thread!!!

I am depending on the Holy Spirit to help my flesh walk away. I pray you do the same. Let's just 'ignore' what has been exposed.

That's a good idea. Quit while you're behind. You can't defend anything. And you reveal how off the rails you are by equating "able to" with "will" and now, "He does" with He does not".

That's some logic, for sure.

You don’t have any good ideas so clearly I wasn’t talking to you. That should be obvious considering you weren’t even addressed.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You don’t have any good ideas so clearly I wasn’t talking to you. That should be obvious considering you weren’t even addressed.

I guess you don't understand what a public forum is. You don't have exclusive rights in your conversations. Anyone can join in. That's how it works.

Your views about what happens to the unsaved in eternity is hampered by your opinion (maudlin) that ECT is CRUEL. So that heavily colors everything you read in Scripture.

Beyond that, you have failed to prove your view that ONLY the beast and FP will be tormented day and night for ever and ever, even though the text immediately goes to the GWT judgment, where ALL unbelievers will be cast into the LOF.

You have failed to prove that God WILL destroy any soul. Period. Since the Bible is quite clear that the bodies of unbelievers will be resurrected for appearing before the GWT judgment, all references to death, perish, and destroy refer to their bodies, which means that when they will be cast into the LOF, their resurrected and mortal bodies will DIE AGAIN.

That is clearly why the LOF is also called the "second death". It obviously refers to their resurrected bodies getting to DIE AGAIN.

So, that's where we will leave this thread. You failed to defend your position and can't explain the things I have brought up.

 

[oyster67]

So, HE DOES kill both body and soul in hell but HE ALSO DOES NOT kill both body and soul in hell.

Perhaps you should request this thread be taken down like your last one was? Just think before you type, dear brother.

I love you, but our ideas and posts must never oppose the truth of Scripture.

 

[oyster67]

I am depending on the Holy Spirit to help my flesh walk away. I pray you do the same. Let's just 'ignore' what has been exposed.

I shall do so, dear brother.

 

[Runningman]

I guess you don't understand what a public forum is. You don't have exclusive rights in your conversations. Anyone can join in. That's how it works.

okay fine, thank you contributing nothing of value. Your thoughts and opinions and useless to me. Feel free to keep responding if you wish, but you’re wasting your time and energy i can guarantee you that.

Your views about what happens to the unsaved in eternity is hampered by your opinion (maudlin) that ECT is CRUEL. So that heavily colors everything you read in Scripture.

Here you are calling people a crying drunk again which is what maudlin means. Obviously you’re trolling these forums.

Beyond that, you have failed to prove your view that ONLY the beast and FP will be tormented day and night for ever and ever, even though the text immediately goes to the GWT judgment, where ALL unbelievers will be cast into the LOF.

I’ve proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the only alternative to eternal life is eternal death.

You have failed to prove that God WILL destroy any soul. Period. Since the Bible is quite clear that the bodies of unbelievers will be resurrected for appearing before the GWT judgment, all references to death, perish, and destroy refer to their bodies, which means that when they will be cast into the LOF, their resurrected and mortal bodies will DIE AGAIN.

Matthew 10:28 days God is able to destroy soul and body in hell because that’s the alternative to eternal life. In John 3:16 when Jesus said those who don’t believe in Him will perish, what He meant is that they’ll be utterly destroyed. That’s exactly what Matthew 10:28 means.

That is clearly why the LOF is also called the "second death". It obviously refers to their resurrected bodies getting to DIE AGAIN.

Body, soul, and spirit are destroyed in the lake of fire.

So, that's where we will leave this thread. You failed to defend your position and can't explain the things I have brought up.

No that’s where you will leave this thread. You have failed to prove eternal conscious torment for all the unsaved. I win.

 

[Runningman]

I shall do so, dear brother.

I doubt someone who calls people crying drunks and tells them to join up with atheists is guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Runningman]

Perhaps you should request this thread be taken down like your last one was? Just think before you type, dear brother.

I love you, but our ideas and posts must never oppose the truth of Scripture.

Kleronomos is speaking the truth in harmony with scripture. He believes the unsaved do not live forever in hell and are destroyed. That’s entirely accurate.

 

[Jackson123]

I have SDA friend and after some talk about why he do not believe eternal torment for unsaved he tell me the reason is

God is love, impossible for Him do such thing

eternal torment only for satan and false prophet

my question to him is

God is love

why you believe He do eternal torment to satan and false prophet ?

this doctrine is inconsistence

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I guess you don't understand what a public forum is. You don't have exclusive rights in your conversations. Anyone can join in. That's how it works.

okay fine, thank you contributing nothing of value. Your thoughts and opinions and useless to me.

Seems that so is the truth of Scripture.

Here you are calling people a crying drunk again which is what maudlin means.

Amazing that you ignore my posts. I already addressed your error. I NEVER included "crying drunk" in the meaning of maudlin.

So I will correct your error once AGAIN. I use it in the sense of overly sensitive and hyper emotional, which you are. And have indicated.

Matthew 10:28 days God is able to destroy soul and body in hell because that’s the alternative to eternal life.

No, Jesus never said what you wrongly conclude. He did say that God is able to destroy both body and soul.

So, now your assignment is to find ANY verse that says that God will destroy souls. Oh, but there aren't any, which you know.

In John 3:16 when Jesus said those who don’t believe in Him will perish, what He meant is that they’ll be utterly destroyed.

EVERY body that is cast into the LOF will be utterly destroyed. Yeppers. You can only ASSUME/PRESUME that the soul will be included.

That’s exactly what Matthew 10:28 means.

No, that is only your opinion of it.

Body, soul, and spirit are destroyed in the lake of fire.

I study the Bible in the SAME WAY as the Bereans. So show me a verse that says this. I won't, otherwise.

No that’s where you will leave this thread. You have failed to prove eternal conscious torment for all the unsaved. I win.

Laughable. It is the 2 of you who have been discussing existing this thread. Not me.

Your opinions just continue to be in error.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I doubt someone who calls people crying drunks and tells them to join up with atheists is guided by the Holy Spirit.

You really have a big problem with all this LYING. How is any of that Christ-like? None of it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Kleronomos is speaking the truth in harmony with scripture. He believes the unsaved do not live forever in hell and are destroyed. That’s entirely accurate.

There is NO accuracy in the claim that souls will be destroyed in the LOF.

What will be utterly destroyed is the resurrected and mortal bodies of the unbelievers. That is entirely accurate.

Again, just so you know, "able to" and "will" do NOT mean the same thing, in ANY sense.

 

[oyster67]

the unsaved do not live forever in hell and are destroyed. That’s entirely accurate.

Revelations 20
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

 

[Runningman]

You really have a big problem with all this LYING. How is any of that Christ-like? None of it.

No you’re the liar. I have proof.

“By all means, join up with the atheists then.” - FreeGrace2 post #1109

Maudlin - drunk enough to be emotionally silly
source Merriam-Webster dictionary

 

[Runningman]

Revelations 20
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The second death. They don’t live forever in torment.

Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

The everlasting punishment is death.

 

[Runningman]

There is NO accuracy in the claim that souls will be destroyed in the LOF.

What will be utterly destroyed is the resurrected and mortal bodies of the unbelievers. That is entirely accurate.

Again, just so you know, "able to" and "will" do NOT mean the same thing, in ANY sense.

Nonsense.

Here are your options: repent or perish.

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 10:28
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

James 4:12
12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Luke 13:3-5
3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

2 Peter 3:9
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Revelation 20:14,15
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Runningman]

FreeGrace2 said:
I guess you don't understand what a public forum is. You don't have exclusive rights in your conversations. Anyone can join in. That's how it works.

Seems that so is the truth of Scripture.


Amazing that you ignore my posts. I already addressed your error. I NEVER included "crying drunk" in the meaning of maudlin.

So I will correct your error once AGAIN. I use it in the sense of overly sensitive and hyper emotional, which you are. And have indicated.


No, Jesus never said what you wrongly conclude. He did say that God is able to destroy both body and soul.

So, now your assignment is to find ANY verse that says that God will destroy souls. Oh, but there aren't any, which you know.



EVERY body that is cast into the LOF will be utterly destroyed. Yeppers. You can only ASSUME/PRESUME that the soul will be included.


No, that is only your opinion of it.


I study the Bible in the SAME WAY as the Bereans. So show me a verse that says this. I won't, otherwise.


Laughable. It is the 2 of you who have been discussing existing this thread. Not me.

Your opinions just continue to be in error.

False.

Here’s the truth:

Jesus clearly taught the alternative to everlasting life was perishing in John 3:16, hence why He said God can destroy both soul and body in hell. Being destroyed both soul and body is the only offered options; no eternal torment option for all of the unsaved.

In Luke 13:3-5, Jesus very plainly provided you your options: repent or perish.

It is God’s will that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance: those are you options. Hence why the judgement for the unsaved is being thrown into the lake of fire where they have the second death; they perish, utterly destroyed.

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matthew 10:28
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

James 4:12
12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Luke 13:3-5
3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

2 Peter 3:9
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Revelation 20:14,15
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[oyster67]

The everlasting punishment is death.

Everlasting punishment is being tormented day and night for ever and ever in the Lake of Fire. It's sort of like... everlasting.

 

[oyster67]

No you’re the liar. I have proof.

.......................

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Everlasting punishment is being tormented day and night for ever and ever in the Lake of Fire. It's sort of like... everlasting.

Yes, everlasting. Not very difficult to understand is it?

Dan 4:3
"How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion
is from generation to generation."