Should you say, 'Homosexuality is a Sin.'

[oyster67]

Should you say, 'Homosexuality is a Sin.'


Yes.

Romans 1:27

“And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”


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[Webers.Home]

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It is clear that dishonesty is sinning.

• Lev 19:11 . . You shall not deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

I think it's probably safe to posit that more liars are now, and more liars will
be, in Hell than gays and lesbians simply because deceit, deception, fraud,
cover-ups, dissembling, cheating, false impressions, pretense, and half
truths are far more common.

• Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.
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[Adstar]

As Christians we should walk in the spirit but not in the flesh. You will not find sinlessness in the flesh.

The Christian has a way of escape to bear every type of temptation. Some Christians have chosen martyrdom as the way of escape when compelled to deny their faith or worship idols.

If we sin, we should not say that it is no big deal, that everyone is going to sin. God made a way to avoid it.

If we sin, a provision has been made for our forgiveness through Christ.

Jesus spoke of cutting off one's hand or plucking out one's eye rather than sin. The book of Hebrews sats 'ye have not resisted unto blood striving against sin.'

A laxidaisical attitude toward sin is dangerous.

So from that i gather you are not one of them sinlesness in the flesh preachers... Well that's a good thing then..

 

[presidente]

So from that i gather you are not one of them sinlesness in the flesh preachers... Well that's a good thing then..

I believe God's grace is available to every Christian to overcome every temptation.

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Re. this post: - Have any of you encountered Pastor Steven Anderson and his preaching on this subject? He's unbelievably hostile to whom he references, not as gay, but dogs, whoremongers, filthy, disgusting. He said "if I had a button which I could press to kill queers, I'd press it until I broke my finger!".
I've read Lev. 20:13, but I can't understand why he's so upset about these people, contrasting with how he talks about others, such as adulterers, thieves, etc.. I even wonder if he's experienced personal disturbing encounters when he was very young. I hope this is not the case.

 

[presidente]

Re. this post: - Have any of you encountered Pastor Steven Anderson and his preaching on this subject? He's unbelievably hostile to whom he references, not as gay, but dogs, whoremongers, filthy, disgusting. He said "if I had a button which I could press to kill queers, I'd press it until I broke my finger!".
I've read Lev. 20:13, but I can't understand why he's so upset about these people, contrasting with how he talks about others, such as adulterers, thieves, etc.. I even wonder if he's experienced personal disturbing encounters when he was very young. I hope this is not the case.

Paul said of people who had lived such lifestyles, "and such were some of you, but now ye are washed...."

Certain sex acts, like men having sex with men or anyone having sex with animals are just very repulsive to some people whether they were molested or not.

I had a conversation online once with this clergyman who supported extreme left-wing stuff, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage. I expressed disgust with same-sex sexual behavior, and he insisted I had been molested as a child. I hadn't. (Certainly no memories of it and my parents watched me like a hawk.) He went on and on, so I asked if he had been molested and his way of dealing with it and making it seem not so bad was to endorse same-sex sexual behavior and gay marriage. Crickets. The guy totally went silent.

 

[presidente]

I tried to add this to the last post, but timed out.

There are also people who, if you express disgust over same-sex sexual behavior, they accuse you of being repressed, that you are really against it because you are secretly gay, or something along those lines. That might say more about the thinking of the person accusing than the accused.

The Bible calls male same-sex sexual activity an abomination-- repulsive or disgusting. God considers cross dressing to be an abomination. Some of us feel that, too.

But we are all sinners and we should realize that God can redeem even those who have gone down a dark path.

 

[TMS]

To those that have an ear......
Some people will not listen to the truth.
We are not to judge the sinner as lost and hate sinners. Love everyone including the sinners. But we can justly hate the sin.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

It is our duty to call sin by its right name.

Heb 12: 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Orientation is not a sin. Acting on it is. I have studied this subject for over 20 years and counseled many with the orientation and it has been easier to get delivered to those who have an orientation than those who have acted upon it.

No one is born homosexual. That is a lie thought up by the Gaystapo to claim their right to be homosexual as normal. A homosexual orientation develops because of a lack of identity. The parent does not forge a bond with the child and as a result, the child does not form an identity so they are left to find one.

it is not uncommon for a person without an identity to say I didn't like the sex particularly but it gave me a sense of being wanted and that sense of being wanted drives them to try it again.

So no a person with an orientation is not sinning. The person acting on that orientation is.

But, if we confess our sin he is faithful and just to give us our sin and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.

 

[AndrewMorgan]

You say one can be cleansed from being gay. That seems to be based on on 1Corinthians6, where Paul says about not being fashioned to the world, but being fashioned to the new man.
He describes the world as being given to all kinds of sin, one of which being homosexuality. People have taken that to mean that at least one person in that congregation had at one time been gay.
Pastor Anderson pointed out something I'd previously wondered about - that the sins mentioned were indicative of the world in general - not that specific congregation. If, instead of speaking as he did, he mentioned the entire 613 laws in the Mosaic law, would that mean that every one of them that had been broken by at least one person in the Corinthian congregation?

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Paul said of people who had lived such lifestyles, "and such were some of you, but now ye are washed...."

Certain sex acts, like men having sex with men or anyone having sex with animals are just very repulsive to some people whether they were molested or e cleansed from being gay. That seems to be based on on 1Corinthians6, where Paul says about not being fashioned to the world, but being fashioned to the new man.
He describes the world as being given to all kinds of sin, one of which being homosexuality. People have taken that to mean that at least one person in that congregation had at one time been gay.
Pastor Anderson pointed out something I'd previously wondered about - that the sins mentioned were indicative of the world in general - not that specific congregation. If, instead of speaking as he did, he mentioned the entire 613 laws in the Mosaic law, would that mean that every one of them that had been broken by at least one person in the Corinthian congregation?

 

[AndrewMorgan]

Sorry, my input was meant for Presidente, not Mustaphadrink.

 

[presidente]

You say one can be cleansed from being gay. That seems to be based on on 1Corinthians6, where Paul says about not being fashioned to the world, but being fashioned to the new man.
He describes the world as being given to all kinds of sin, one of which being homosexuality. People have taken that to mean that at least one person in that congregation had at one time been gay.
Pastor Anderson pointed out something I'd previously wondered about - that the sins mentioned were indicative of the world in general - not that specific congregation. If, instead of speaking as he did, he mentioned the entire 613 laws in the Mosaic law, would that mean that every one of them that had been broken by at least one person in the Corinthian congregation?

To just about everyone in the US outside of fundamental/evangelical circles, and maybe some older folks, 'being gay', or homosexual, or lesbian means to be attracted to the same sex or to have that propensity.

The words in I Corinthians 6 you are referring to are about having same-sex sexual relations. They aren't about having the propensity to be attracted to the same sex.

If you are preaching to an audience and a man there has these kinds of feelings and hears you say, 'Homosexuals are sinning and are going to Hell', then he probably will take that to mean, "If you can be attracted to a man, you are sinning and are going to Hell.'

I would agree with the idea that a man being sexually attracted to a man is messed up, undesirable, etc. But the sin is to yield to temptation. Being tempted is not a sin.

Personally, I would not be attracted at all by a 80-year-old, 600 pound, apple-shaped married woman with hairy legs. A strumpet-type in this category could 'tempt' me, hypothetically, but internally, I would not be tempted. But if there is a man out there that finds 80-year-old, 600 pound, apple-shaped women with hairy legs attractive, and she made him some inappropriate offers, that doesn't mean he sins because he could be attracted to her.

We wouldn't preach, "Any man who is attracted to hairy-legged 80-year-old, apple-shaped women is sinning and is on his way to Hell."

It's similar with preaching against homosexuals, gays, lesbians, etc.

Another problem is with identifying oneself as gay, etc. Paul says to reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God. LBGT propaganda teaches people that a lust they can be tempted with is a part of their identity, something to be proud of. I haven't heard of anyone being proud of being attracted to married hairy, apple-shaped women.

 

[presidente]

@AndrewMorgan
Romans doesn't say specifically whether any of the readers had performed same-sex sex. It was Rome, but we don't know who was in the church.

But I Corinthians 6 says, "and such were some of you" after a long list of sins, two words of which likely refer to two different types of participants in a same-sex sex act.

 

[CS1]

To just about everyone in the US outside of fundamental/evangelical circles, and maybe some older folks, 'being gay', or homosexual, or lesbian means to be attracted to the same sex or to have that propensity.

The words in I Corinthians 6 you are referring to are about having same-sex sexual relations. They aren't about having the propensity to be attracted to the same sex.

If you are preaching to an audience and a man there has these kinds of feelings and hears you say, 'Homosexuals are sinning and are going to Hell', then he probably will take that to mean, "If you can be attracted to a man, you are sinning and are going to Hell.'

I would agree with the idea that a man being sexually attracted to a man is messed up, undesirable, etc. But the sin is to yield to temptation. Being tempted is not a sin.

Personally, I would not be attracted at all by a 80-year-old, 600 pound, apple-shaped married woman with hairy legs. A strumpet-type in this category could 'tempt' me, hypothetically, but internally, I would not be tempted. But if there is a man out there that finds 80-year-old, 600 pound, apple-shaped women with hairy legs attractive, and she made him some inappropriate offers, that doesn't mean he sins because he could be attracted to her.

We wouldn't preach, "Any man who is attracted to hairy-legged 80-year-old, apple-shaped women is sinning and is on his way to Hell."

It's similar with preaching against homosexuals, gays, lesbians, etc.

Another problem is with identifying oneself as gay, etc. Paul says to reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God. LBGT propaganda teaches people that a lust they can be tempted with is a part of their identity, something to be proud of. I haven't heard of anyone being proud of being attracted to married hairy, apple-shaped women.

"We wouldn't preach, "Any man who is attracted to hairy-legged 80-year-old, apple-shaped women is sinning and is on his way to Hell."

A completely ridiculous attraction of a man to a woman is what God did so men would want women. However, self-control would prevent a man from acting on the attraction in an inappropriate way. My two daughters are attractive, yet I do not lust after them.

I have seen men who are handsome like my son, yet I am not desiring to be with him. It is sin when the context of the person's heart offends God and then acts on those temptations that God said YOU shall not do. The idea that hairy-legged 80-year-old women are the same thing as homosexuality in attraction is false. Homosexuality is a sin because it is not what God created man for. And homosexuality speaks to the disorder of this current world that has been ruled by sin since the fall of man & woman.

The truth is men who have been addicted to sexual perversion have a strong hold on their lives that only God can break. Homosexuals have moved way beyond what one would call attraction.

 

[Ethan1942]

It’s confusing because the word homosexuality is not a biblical term. If we stick with the bible, there will be no confusion.

It is also important to stick with the older Bible translations such as the KJV, RV, ASV and even the YLT. It is also important to distinguish between a sodomite and a homosexual person. Is a homosexual person merely a heterosexual person with temptation for loving their own gender? It may be a homosexual person has that sexual orientation just as a heterosexual person has their sexual orientation and it is not a matter of a heterosexual having same-sex-attraction temptation. It is just the way they are and they are only accountable to God about it. Maybe we shouldn't expect the Bible to speak in the language of sexology and psycho-babble.

 

[presidente]

"We wouldn't preach, "Any man who is attracted to hairy-legged 80-year-old, apple-shaped women is sinning and is on his way to Hell."

A completely ridiculous attraction of a man to a woman is what God did so men would want women. However, self-control would prevent a man from acting on the attraction in an inappropriate way. My two daughters are attractive, yet I do not lust after them.

I didn't write that right. I thought I had put 'married' in there in my description consistently throughout and must have left that out for the phrase you quoted. That's the key word.

What I mean is this
"We wouldn't preach, "Any man who is attracted to a married hairy-legged 80-year-old, apple-shaped women is sinning and is on his way to Hell."

The sinful thing would be to __act on__ attraction to a married women. Being attracted to and marrying an older woman, hairy woman, certain shape of woman, etc. isn't inherently sinful.

I have seen men who are handsome like my son, yet I am not desiring to be with him.

Are you ___ attracted to__ handsome men? That's a little different from thinking a man is handsome.

I'm a bit face blind when it comes to male attractiveness. I'd just have to guess if a man is attractive. I can usually tell if a man is odd looking, but some women surprise me and are attracted to these men. I'd like trying to tell if horses are good looking to other horses. I can tell if a woman looks pretty to me personally.

But men that can tell and men actually being sexually attracted to other men is two different things.

Recognizing a married woman as pretty is one thing. If you are attracted to her, you could just not do anything sinful with the eyes, mind, or physically, and it isn't sin.

It isn't normal for men to be attracted to men, but some men are. That's what 'homosexuality', 'gay', etc. refers to-- except the LGBT folks think it is normal. One could have the propensity to be attracted to the same sex without acting on temptation, also.

If God delivers someone instantly from that, that's great. If they just have to constantly resist temptation, and they can do so without sinning, then it isn't a sin to have the temptation.

But they shouldn't make the temptation their identity. 'Christian homosexual' as a term to identify oneself withis analogous to having 'a the verge of committing adultery Christian' for 'hetero' people.

 

[presidente]

It is also important to stick with the older Bible translations such as the KJV, RV, ASV and even the YLT. It is also important to distinguish between a sodomite and a homosexual person. Is a homosexual person merely a heterosexual person with temptation for loving their own gender? It may be a homosexual person has that sexual orientation just as a heterosexual person has their sexual orientation and it is not a matter of a heterosexual having same-sex-attraction temptation. It is just the way they are and they are only accountable to God about it. Maybe we shouldn't expect the Bible to speak in the language of sexology and psycho-babble.

"Orientation" isn't a very relevant concept when discussing the Bible's teachings on the topic. A lot of LGBT apologists who use the Bible try to twist it to make it about their orientation theory.

I Corinthians 6 has a couple of words there, probably for the two participants in a same-sex act. Romans 1 condemns the activity, and describes the lust for it as shameful.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It is also important to stick with the older Bible translations such as the KJV, RV, ASV and even the YLT. It is also important to distinguish between a sodomite and a homosexual person. Is a homosexual person merely a heterosexual person with temptation for loving their own gender? It may be a homosexual person has that sexual orientation just as a heterosexual person has their sexual orientation and it is not a matter of a heterosexual having same-sex-attraction temptation. It is just the way they are and they are only accountable to God about it. Maybe we shouldn't expect the Bible to speak in the language of sexology and psycho-babble.

1. It is not beneficial to use older Bible translations exclusively.

2. It shouldn't take 138 posts to make the point that homosexual behaviour is a sin.

 

[SomeDisciple]

It isn't normal for men to be attracted to men, but some men are. That's what 'homosexuality', 'gay', etc. refers to

That's strictly in academia and liberal propaganda terms, though; and I don't think we should let them control language- because a big part of what they do is try to control language because people tend to think in their language- they are really trying to control the way people think by trying to control language.
The term should be limited to homosexual practice and desire of the heart (which is what defiles a man), just as "adulterer" is limited to people who actually commit, or desire to commit, adultery.

There might be academics, psycologists, sociologists, and other -ologists that want to classify and lock people into an "orientation", but it's a futile way of thinking. And honestly, with the dialog that I have had with self-professing "gays/lesbians" (who typically do not like the term "homosexual" interestingly enough), they have often privately admitted that their sexuality is a little more complicated than them simply being attracted to the same sex. The liberal propagandists can simply be ignored.