Rejection Of John The Baptist

[Walter]

Wednesday 8-24-22 4th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Av 25 5782 65th. Summer Day

Matthew Eleven:1-15

1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,

3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.

9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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   Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[Magenta]

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[Aaron56]

Thank you for posting that.
In my view, the most important part of that passage is “And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.”

That’s a rich statement that reveals much.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Thank you for posting that.
In my view, the most important part of that passage is “And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.” That’s a rich statement that reveals much.

True. Yet there is a misunderstanding about John the Baptizer. He was not an incarnation of Elijah (as some mistakenly imagine). But as the angel Gabriel revealed to his father Zachariah, John came "in the spirit and power of Elijah", just like Elisha went forth in the spirit and power of Elijah.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

So what this meant is that just as Elijah -- during the future reign of the Antichrist -- will bring many Jews to repentance before the Second Coming of Christ , John brought many Jews to repentance after the first coming of Christ. John prepared the hearts of Israel to receive their Messiah/King, and many did turn to Christ both before and after His resurrection. But John's ministry was to be a very short one, and God allowed John to be killed by Herod, just as Elijah will be killed by the Antichrist in the future. However, John the Baptizer is guaranteed a very high position in the eternal Kingdom of God.

 

[Aaron56]

I think on most points we agree. John was not the incarnation of Elijah.
His ministry ties together with the concept of the primogenitor: the revealing of the one who is the father and who represents the father. This is tied to Elisha who received his own mantel and that of Elijah’s: a double portion, if you will. And this connects to Judah who, when giving an oath his father for the safe return of Simeon and Benjamin, offered his own life as compensation. The oath of Judah defined the manner in which the Lion of Judah would rule by giving His own life for the rescue of Adam’s progeny.

If I have time tomorrow I will flesh this out. I only have an iPad right now so typing is a labor.

 

[oyster67]

Rejection Of John The Baptist


Rejected by whom and on what basis? Just because he was not a reincarnation of another man does not mean he was rejected. Just because he stepped down so that Jesus might be exalted does not mean he was rejected.

I am obviously missing something. (not the first time. )

 

[Walter]

Rejection Of John The Baptist


Rejected by whom and on what basis? Just because he was not a reincarnation of another man does not mean he was rejected. Just because he stepped down so that Jesus might be exalted does not mean he was rejected.

I am obviously missing something. (not the first time. )

Hello oyster67, how are you all? I was trying to figure out the rejection until I read:

Bible Knowledge Commentary – Matthew 11:2-15
11:2–3. Matthew had recorded (4:12) that John the Baptist had been put in prison. The cause for his imprisonment was stated by Matthew later (14:3–4).

At that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus,
2 And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.
3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.
4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
5 And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.
7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.
8 And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
9 And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.
10 And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
11 And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.
12 And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Jesus.



When John heard of all Jesus was doing, he sent some of his disciples to ask Jesus, Are You the One who was to come, or should we expect someone else? The words “the One who was to come” are a messianic title based on Psalms 40:7 and 118:26 (cf. Mark 11:9; Luke 13:35). John must have thought, If I am Messiah’s forerunner and Jesus is the Messiah, why am I in prison? John needed reassurance and clarification, for he had expected the Messiah to overcome wickedness, judge sin, and bring in His kingdom.

 

[Walter]

Hello oyster67, how are you all? I was trying to figure out the rejection until I read:

Bible Knowledge Commentary – Matthew 11:2-15
11:2–3. Matthew had recorded (4:12) that John the Baptist had been put in prison. The cause for his imprisonment was stated by Matthew later (14:3–4).

At that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus,
2 And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.
3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.
4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
5 And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.
7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.
8 And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
9 And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.
10 And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
11 And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.
12 And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Jesus.



When John heard of all Jesus was doing, he sent some of his disciples to ask Jesus, Are You the One who was to come, or should we expect someone else? The words “the One who was to come” are a messianic title based on Psalms 40:7 and 118:26 (cf. Mark 11:9; Luke 13:35). John must have thought, If I am Messiah’s forerunner and Jesus is the Messiah, why am I in prison? John needed reassurance and clarification, for he had expected the Messiah to overcome wickedness, judge sin, and bring in His kingdom.

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John. (biblehub.com)

 

[oyster67]

Jesus and His message were certainly rejected.

Perhaps Herod hated John's message because he knew it was the truth and could not deny it. The truth hurts when it reveals a wicked man's nasty ways.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Walter, your title says "Rejection of John the Baptist." Can you be a little more specific about what you mean exactly by the rejection of John the Baptist.

 

[Live4Him3]

Jesus and His message were certainly rejected.

Perhaps Herod hated John's message because he knew it was the truth and could not deny it. The truth hurts when it reveals a wicked man's nasty ways.

Had Walter extended his opening text just a bit, then I think that you'd see that both John the Baptist and Jesus were rejected by some of the people in their generation.

Matthew chapter 11

[16] But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
[17] And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
[18] For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
[19] The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

 

[Live4Him3]

We also get a pretty good glimpse at how certain people rejected John the Baptist here:

Matthew chapter 21

[23] And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
[24] And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
[25] The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
[26] But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
[27] And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
[28] But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
[29] He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
[30] And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
[31] Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
[32] For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

 

[Walter]

Walter, your title says "Rejection of John the Baptist." Can you be a little more specific about what you mean exactly by the rejection of John the Baptist.

Hello ResidentAlien, the title I choose from my open bible because of the message John stood for, but the rejection of Herod's family lifestyle which I think from reading the story, but did you read about what I shared with oyster67 in the same thread?


Hello oyster67, how are you all? I was trying to figure out the rejection until I read:

Bible Knowledge Commentary – Matthew 11:2-15
11:2–3. Matthew had recorded (4:12) that John the Baptist had been put in prison. The cause for his imprisonment was stated by Matthew later (14:3–4).

At that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus,
2 And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.
3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.
4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
5 And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.
7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.
8 And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
9 And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.
10 And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
11 And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.
12 And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Jesus.



When John heard of all Jesus was doing, he sent some of his disciples to ask Jesus, Are You the One who was to come, or should we expect someone else? The words “the One who was to come” are a messianic title based on Psalms 40:7 and 118:26 (cf. Mark 11:9; Luke 13:35). John must have thought, If I am Messiah’s forerunner and Jesus is the Messiah, why am I in prison? John needed reassurance and clarification, for he had expected the Messiah to overcome wickedness, judge sin, and bring in His kingdom.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John. (biblehub.com)

Love, Walter and Debbie

 

[ResidentAlien]

I see now, you're talking about the Pharisees. Thanks.

 

[oyster67]

[18] For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

Yes. I see that there is a verse. Thanks.