2 Peter 2:7 Lot is a righteous man
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I think an understanding of 2 Peter 2:7 is needed here ------
In order to really understand why it is said the Lot was a Righteous Man you need to go back and read Genesis where God says the Noah ---and Abraham were Righteous Men in God's eyes ------did Noah and Abraham Sin ----I would say they did ----did Abraham disobey God I believe he did ------when God said to Abraham that He would give him a Son ----Abraham and Sarah did their own thing and Abraham had sex with Hagar the maid ------so was that Righteous ??-----
It was not the behaviour that made them Righteous ---just as today it is not our behaviour that makes us Right in God's eyes ------
So what is it that makes us Righteous ------Faith -----Noah believed in God ----Abraham believed in God ----Lot believed in God -----did they still Sin YES --just like we still sin -----But by Faith we are made right with God -----
If you read about Lot you will see that ----God Blessed him with many livestock and rescued him when Sodom was being destroyed ---
Read here -
https://www.learnreligions.com/lot-nephew-of-abraham-701171
I think an understanding of 2 Peter 2:7 is needed here ------
In order to really understand why it is said the Lot was a Righteous Man you need to go back and read Genesis where God says the Noah ---and Abraham were Righteous Men in God's eyes ------did Noah and Abraham Sin ----I would say they did ----did Abraham disobey God I believe he did ------when God said to Abraham that He would give him a Son ----Abraham and Sarah did their own thing and Abraham had sex with Hagar the maid ------so was that Righteous ??-----
It was not the behaviour that made them Righteous ---just as today it is not our behaviour that makes us Right in God's eyes ------
So what is it that makes us Righteous ------Faith -----Noah believed in God ----Abraham believed in God ----Lot believed in God -----did they still Sin YES --just like we still sin -----But by Faith we are made right with God -----
If you read about Lot you will see that ----God Blessed him with many livestock and rescued him when Sodom was being destroyed ---
Read here -
https://www.learnreligions.com/lot-nephew-of-abraham-701171
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Genesis 19 tells you why -----2 angels in human form came to Sodom and Lot took them in and the mob came and wanted Lot to let the mob have the 2 men in the house so they could have sex with them and instead of sending out the men he offered his 2 daughters ---
Homosexuality was involved here -------as well as bad judgment on Lots part for offering his daughters ------theGenesis 19:5
Noah Got drunk and passed out naked and God chose him , Abraham lied , and then God made an everlasting promise to him , Moses killed a man and then god chose him to lead israel out of bondage in Egypt , God chose David and made him king then David committed adultery plotted and had a man killed to cover his own sin up and God forgave David and promised him an eternal throne
Peter denied knowing Jesus , Paul tried to destroy Christianity before it got a foothold ect
truthfully God already knows this part
“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 3:23 KJV
and in his mercy he’s done this
“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
because we’ve all sinned and everyone is guilty by the law
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
now there’s only one way to be saved , that’s what the gospel is all about saving people who acknolwedge their own sins and repent and turn back to God
So all those sinners proven by the law are made this offer now
“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.”
Isaiah 55:3, 6-7 KJV
in order for one to be forgiven we have to first acknolwedge our sins like David the chosen of God , did
“Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: According unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: And my sin is ever before me. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Hide thy face from my sins, And blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me.”
Psalm 51:1-3, 7, 9-10
Christian’s aren’t perfect if we think we are we’re fooling ourselves we are imperfect and need desperately Gods mercy renewed each day we need to acknolwedge our sins when we recognize them and repent but the view of I must be perfect or God won’t call
Me righteous is not our God , our God already knows we all failed in perfection and he loves us and wants us anyways because we place our faith in Jesus
Peter denied knowing Jesus , Paul tried to destroy Christianity before it got a foothold ect
truthfully God already knows this part
“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 3:23 KJV
and in his mercy he’s done this
“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 KJV
because we’ve all sinned and everyone is guilty by the law
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
now there’s only one way to be saved , that’s what the gospel is all about saving people who acknolwedge their own sins and repent and turn back to God
So all those sinners proven by the law are made this offer now
“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.”
Isaiah 55:3, 6-7 KJV
in order for one to be forgiven we have to first acknolwedge our sins like David the chosen of God , did
“Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: According unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: And my sin is ever before me. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Hide thy face from my sins, And blot out all mine iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me.”
Psalm 51:1-3, 7, 9-10
Christian’s aren’t perfect if we think we are we’re fooling ourselves we are imperfect and need desperately Gods mercy renewed each day we need to acknolwedge our sins when we recognize them and repent but the view of I must be perfect or God won’t call
Me righteous is not our God , our God already knows we all failed in perfection and he loves us and wants us anyways because we place our faith in Jesus
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John,
The thing I try to keep in mind with Lot is
Titus 3:5-7
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace"....
Lot didn't do anything righteous to receive God's gift of salvation.
I and pastor Chuck didn't do anything righteous to receive that gift either.
Lot was seen as righteous because that was the Father's perspective through the coming Sacrifice of His only begotten Son. This is something I was confused about at one time. Then the Lord pointed out to me that Salvation is a gift and in exchange for taking all of the sins we ever would do and punishing Christ for them, He GAVE as a GIFT the righteousness of Jesus. When we quit putting any faith in our own righteous deeds and transfer that totally to Jesus, the gift is then given.
This fella explains it pretty well in little more than 3 minutes.
The thing I try to keep in mind with Lot is
Titus 3:5-7
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; that being justified by his grace"....
Lot didn't do anything righteous to receive God's gift of salvation.
I and pastor Chuck didn't do anything righteous to receive that gift either.
Lot was seen as righteous because that was the Father's perspective through the coming Sacrifice of His only begotten Son. This is something I was confused about at one time. Then the Lord pointed out to me that Salvation is a gift and in exchange for taking all of the sins we ever would do and punishing Christ for them, He GAVE as a GIFT the righteousness of Jesus. When we quit putting any faith in our own righteous deeds and transfer that totally to Jesus, the gift is then given.
This fella explains it pretty well in little more than 3 minutes.
lot was saved because Abraham interceded with God lot hesitated actually and God was merciful and saved him based on Abraham’s intercession. Interestingly to me God also offers salvstion To lots whole family but his sons in law reject it ( as he did with Noah and his family when the flood was coming )
“He also got out of town when GOD told him to flee”
“And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: for we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law. ( they brushed off his warning as mocking )
And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.”
Genesis 19:12-17
lot and his wife and daughters were lingering so they were carried out saved by the lord because of Abraham’s intercession with the lord for any righteous there. Even though they were saved of course the wife didn’t obey the warning of the angels and perished and became salt and the sins in law rejected the warning as foolishness and also perished
Jesus buses the flood and soddom and Gomorrah to paint an image of his return and the end of the word
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
Luke 17:26-30
“He also got out of town when GOD told him to flee”
“And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: for we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law. ( they brushed off his warning as mocking )
And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.
And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.”
Genesis 19:12-17
lot and his wife and daughters were lingering so they were carried out saved by the lord because of Abraham’s intercession with the lord for any righteous there. Even though they were saved of course the wife didn’t obey the warning of the angels and perished and became salt and the sins in law rejected the warning as foolishness and also perished
Jesus buses the flood and soddom and Gomorrah to paint an image of his return and the end of the word
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”
Luke 17:26-30
So the real issue is this "Why did God call Lot righteous, even though he was in fact unrighteous?" And it goes back to imputed righteousness. Lot -- like Abraham -- believed in "the most high God" (somewhere along the way) and it was imputed to him for righteousness. Perhaps his willingness to remain with Abraham and migrate with Abraham indicated this. Abraham even went to his rescue later on.
However Lot chose Sodom as his dwelling place even though it was a wicked city. And while his soul was vexed by the wickedness of those around him, he refused to do the right thing and leave Sodom immediately. He even allowed his daughters to marry men of Sodom. And then his further words and actions revealed that he was in fact unrighteous. The example of Lot should not be used by Christians to persist in sinful living. Just because God was merciful to Lot does not mean that Christians will get away with persistent unrighteousness.
However Lot chose Sodom as his dwelling place even though it was a wicked city. And while his soul was vexed by the wickedness of those around him, he refused to do the right thing and leave Sodom immediately. He even allowed his daughters to marry men of Sodom. And then his further words and actions revealed that he was in fact unrighteous. The example of Lot should not be used by Christians to persist in sinful living. Just because God was merciful to Lot does not mean that Christians will get away with persistent unrighteousness.
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Whatever the facts are about whether Lot could be considered "righteous" in whatever sense, I can't help thinking that his giving up his daughters was dreadful.
Some people have brought up the idea that because the Sodomites were going to do homosexual acts with the angels, surrendering the daughters would have been the lesser of 2 evils.
Even 'though Lot was "on the spot", I can't help thinking THAT would gave been a dreadful option.
It illustrates how depraved things had become (again). Lot's daughters who escaped destruction with him got their father
drunk & had sex with him. They did it out of fear of not being able to find husbands after the destruction of the wicked cities.
Moab & The Ammonites came from these acts of incest and thier descendants trouble Israel to this day.
We see it as a horrible thing that a man would offer his daughters to be used by strangers. We are right of course but we
cannot be sure it was anything unusual for that place & time or that the daughters were as horrified by the idea as we are.
Look at the world we live in now. It looks to be taking a moral noze-dive in the space of only a couple of generations.
We have to make sure we keep on the narrow path with Jesus. Mankind really isn't capable of knowing what is good or
evil without him.
There is a similar and even worse incident recorded in Judges 19. A man offers his virgin daughter & his concubine to
some evil men to prevent an act of sodomy. They gang-raped the concubine all night so aggresively that she died.
I shudder to think how bad the world must have become pre-flood.
drunk & had sex with him. They did it out of fear of not being able to find husbands after the destruction of the wicked cities.
Moab & The Ammonites came from these acts of incest and thier descendants trouble Israel to this day.
We see it as a horrible thing that a man would offer his daughters to be used by strangers. We are right of course but we
cannot be sure it was anything unusual for that place & time or that the daughters were as horrified by the idea as we are.
Look at the world we live in now. It looks to be taking a moral noze-dive in the space of only a couple of generations.
We have to make sure we keep on the narrow path with Jesus. Mankind really isn't capable of knowing what is good or
evil without him.
There is a similar and even worse incident recorded in Judges 19. A man offers his virgin daughter & his concubine to
some evil men to prevent an act of sodomy. They gang-raped the concubine all night so aggresively that she died.
I shudder to think how bad the world must have become pre-flood.
I think the pivotal thing for me is whether surrendering of the daughters was deemed to be GENUINELY an appropriate thing to do, as if somehow, the offering of the daughters was a lesser evil than the "permitting" of homosexual action, which seemed to be rape.
This, I assume, would seem horrible to people, 'though I sometimes wonder what I would do, if suddenly I was put in such a horrible situation.
I hope and believe I would not have offered the women.
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