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More hate filled name calling based solyy on your doctrines of preference. What business have you to judge anyone based on some doctrine contrived from extra biblical sources?
Anyone can come on here bash those who disagree with them. However, a believer that is truly yeilded to the Holy Spirit would understand that while many might embrace what we might considered false doctrine, they too are lost sheep in dire need to know the love of Christ. Only a Pharisee would throw stones!
Anyone can come on here bash those who disagree with them. However, a believer that is truly yeilded to the Holy Spirit would understand that while many might embrace what we might considered false doctrine, they too are lost sheep in dire need to know the love of Christ. Only a Pharisee would throw stones!
i don't hate you either. our battle is not with flesh and blood.
it's against all these lofty ideas in men's imaginations.
haha.
cut & paste Christianity. that's rich.
tell me: what books are on your bookshelf?
lots on the Five-Fold Ministry you're part of, i betcha.
it's all the rage...i mean who doesn't want to power-trip with words directly from The Lord?
it's against all these lofty ideas in men's imaginations.
haha.
cut & paste Christianity. that's rich.
tell me: what books are on your bookshelf?
lots on the Five-Fold Ministry you're part of, i betcha.
it's all the rage...i mean who doesn't want to power-trip with words directly from The Lord?
Odd, I don't remember seeing this person claim to be a prophet, and I have not seen any words he has posted which are claimed to have come from the Holy Spirit.
I am still waiting for you to provide scripture where you are commanded to judge another as a false prophet. (Of course, I understand that you are making this judgment on the false belief that the gifts and the offices of the Holy Spirit have ceased. To me, that is like saying that He is not available to us any more in any fashion, but if you believe this, fine.)
But I must tell you that you are in gross sin.
Judge not, lest you be judged.
I am still waiting for you to provide scripture where you are commanded to judge another as a false prophet. (Of course, I understand that you are making this judgment on the false belief that the gifts and the offices of the Holy Spirit have ceased. To me, that is like saying that He is not available to us any more in any fashion, but if you believe this, fine.)
But I must tell you that you are in gross sin.
Judge not, lest you be judged.
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i don't hate you either. our battle is not with flesh and blood.
it's against all these lofty ideas in men's imaginations.
haha.
cut & paste Christianity. that's rich.
tell me: what books are on your bookshelf?
lots on the Five-Fold Ministry you're part of, i betcha.
it's all the rage...i mean who doesn't want to power-trip with words directly from The Lord?
it's against all these lofty ideas in men's imaginations.
haha.
cut & paste Christianity. that's rich.
tell me: what books are on your bookshelf?
lots on the Five-Fold Ministry you're part of, i betcha.
it's all the rage...i mean who doesn't want to power-trip with words directly from The Lord?
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now now dear.
i realize that since you think you too are a prophet you must come to the aid of the party.
that still doesn't make you a prophet.
it makes you a false prophet.
and that.....is your problem. not mine
i realize that since you think you too are a prophet you must come to the aid of the party.
that still doesn't make you a prophet.
it makes you a false prophet.
and that.....is your problem. not mine
Placing you back on my ignore list.
roger that FOA
you're a big believer in 5 fold ministry are you not?...oh ya....i'm on ignore.
The holiness movement refers to a set of beliefs and practices emerging from the Methodist Christian church in the mid 19th century. The movement is distinguished by its emphasis on John Wesley's doctrine of "Christian perfection" - the belief that it is possible to live free of voluntary sin - and particularly by the belief that this may be accomplished instantaneously through a second work of grace.
you're a big believer in 5 fold ministry are you not?...oh ya....i'm on ignore.
The holiness movement refers to a set of beliefs and practices emerging from the Methodist Christian church in the mid 19th century. The movement is distinguished by its emphasis on John Wesley's doctrine of "Christian perfection" - the belief that it is possible to live free of voluntary sin - and particularly by the belief that this may be accomplished instantaneously through a second work of grace.
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Friends, More On Calvinism from Dave Hunt (2002):
"Where Is God's Love?"
"Every passage that mentions predestination/election will be searched in vain for any reference to anyone being predestined to damnation. How, then, does the Calvinist support such a doctrine? By implication only. If some are unconditionally elected to be saved, then the corollary is that those whom God did not so choose have been just as surely damned by His eternal decree. Calvin said it is "childish" to deny this "since there could be no election without the opposite reprobation". (1) Following Calvin and Augustine, Boettner uncompromisingly declares:
"The doctrine of absolute Predestination of course logically holds that some are foreordained to death as truly as others are foreordained to life. The very terms "elect" and "election" imply the terms "non-elect" and "reprobation". When some are chosen ... others are left not chosen. ... We believe that from all eternity God had intended to leave some of Adam's posterity in their sins and that the decisive factor in the life of each is to be found only in God's will. (2)
"What a misrepresentation of God! Moreover, we search the writings of Calvinists in vain to find some hint of regret or sympathy on their part for those who are helplessly doomed by their God's eternal decree. Of course, it would be awkward for God who damns multitudes then to profess His love for them -- and how can He regret His sovereign decrees? Sovereignty and predestination are emphasized over and over -- but love and compassion, where shall we find these?
"When it comes to the obvious lack of love on God's part as they portray him, Calvinists become defensive. They propose various theories to explain how God could really love those He predestines to eternal torment. One of the most callous theories comes from Michael Horton in a book with a foreword by J.I. Packer. He argues, "But doesn't this view limit God's love? On the contrary! This view intensifies God's love, by limiting it only to those who believe. That sure beats the indiscriminate, general benevolence we seem to be hearing much about today." (3)
"This is worse than double talk! "For God so loved the world" is a despicable "indiscriminate, general benevolence?" Limiting God's love to a select few doesn't limit but intensifies God's love? In fact, there is no way either to limit or to intensify God's love: it is infinite both in its scope and its timelessness. ...."
(pages 222-223: WHAT LOVE IS THIS? CALVINISM'S MISREPRESENTATION OF GOD. by Dave Hunt. (2002). Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing).
Notes.
1. Calvin, John, Institutes of the Christian Religion, III:xxiii,1.
2. Boettner, Loraine. (1932). The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination. (Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co.,), p. 104.
3. Horton, Michael Scott. (1991). Putting Amazing Back Into Grace. (Thomas Nelson Publishers), p. 96.
God save us in His mercy (Titus 3). Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
"Where Is God's Love?"
"Every passage that mentions predestination/election will be searched in vain for any reference to anyone being predestined to damnation. How, then, does the Calvinist support such a doctrine? By implication only. If some are unconditionally elected to be saved, then the corollary is that those whom God did not so choose have been just as surely damned by His eternal decree. Calvin said it is "childish" to deny this "since there could be no election without the opposite reprobation". (1) Following Calvin and Augustine, Boettner uncompromisingly declares:
"The doctrine of absolute Predestination of course logically holds that some are foreordained to death as truly as others are foreordained to life. The very terms "elect" and "election" imply the terms "non-elect" and "reprobation". When some are chosen ... others are left not chosen. ... We believe that from all eternity God had intended to leave some of Adam's posterity in their sins and that the decisive factor in the life of each is to be found only in God's will. (2)
"What a misrepresentation of God! Moreover, we search the writings of Calvinists in vain to find some hint of regret or sympathy on their part for those who are helplessly doomed by their God's eternal decree. Of course, it would be awkward for God who damns multitudes then to profess His love for them -- and how can He regret His sovereign decrees? Sovereignty and predestination are emphasized over and over -- but love and compassion, where shall we find these?
"When it comes to the obvious lack of love on God's part as they portray him, Calvinists become defensive. They propose various theories to explain how God could really love those He predestines to eternal torment. One of the most callous theories comes from Michael Horton in a book with a foreword by J.I. Packer. He argues, "But doesn't this view limit God's love? On the contrary! This view intensifies God's love, by limiting it only to those who believe. That sure beats the indiscriminate, general benevolence we seem to be hearing much about today." (3)
"This is worse than double talk! "For God so loved the world" is a despicable "indiscriminate, general benevolence?" Limiting God's love to a select few doesn't limit but intensifies God's love? In fact, there is no way either to limit or to intensify God's love: it is infinite both in its scope and its timelessness. ...."
(pages 222-223: WHAT LOVE IS THIS? CALVINISM'S MISREPRESENTATION OF GOD. by Dave Hunt. (2002). Sisters, OR: Loyal Publishing).
Notes.
1. Calvin, John, Institutes of the Christian Religion, III:xxiii,1.
2. Boettner, Loraine. (1932). The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination. (Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co.,), p. 104.
3. Horton, Michael Scott. (1991). Putting Amazing Back Into Grace. (Thomas Nelson Publishers), p. 96.
God save us in His mercy (Titus 3). Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
i don't hate you either. our battle is not with flesh and blood.
it's against all these lofty ideas in men's imaginations.
haha.
cut & paste Christianity. that's rich.
tell me: what books are on your bookshelf?
lots on the Five-Fold Ministry you're part of, i betcha.
it's all the rage...i mean who doesn't want to power-trip with words directly from The Lord?
it's against all these lofty ideas in men's imaginations.
haha.
cut & paste Christianity. that's rich.
tell me: what books are on your bookshelf?
lots on the Five-Fold Ministry you're part of, i betcha.
it's all the rage...i mean who doesn't want to power-trip with words directly from The Lord?
There is no power trip. There is humility and love. That is what it takes to hear from the Lord. If one desires power or glory, they are exempted, automatically.
You are cursing what you do not know.
what a sad sad thing. i take no pleasure in any of it VW.
you think you're "hearing" from the Lord.
yet you are deaf....and blind.....you preach another jesus and another gospel.
because you liked the charismatic thrills. and you liked it when they told you that you were a prophet.
and you have departed from the faith and have given yourself over to doctrines of devils.
Galatians 1:9
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Red is always ready to help you VW. i know he is praying for you. many are.
good night VW.
you think you're "hearing" from the Lord.
yet you are deaf....and blind.....you preach another jesus and another gospel.
because you liked the charismatic thrills. and you liked it when they told you that you were a prophet.
and you have departed from the faith and have given yourself over to doctrines of devils.
Galatians 1:9
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Red is always ready to help you VW. i know he is praying for you. many are.
good night VW.
Awww.....I...I don't know. I was kinda holdin' out for a mangement position. What kind of benefits are we talking ?
the benefits are:
you have your sins forgiven because Jesus took your place on the Cross.
you receive eternal life because Jesus defeated death and rose from the dead.
you get a Wonderful Counselor free of charge, who is always in control, always with you, and He grooms you for your appointment with the King.
did i mention you belong to the King of Kings?
did i mention you will be received with joy by the Creator of the universe?
you get unlimited Love from God; all the faith you ask for; access to His holy scriptures; a new family who loves you; and peace that is impossbile to explain. it's not like any peace you've ever known.
one thing you won't get: condemnation.
so......when can you start?
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well, first of all, God gets all the Glory.
the benefits are:
you have your sins forgiven because Jesus took your place on the Cross.
you receive eternal life because Jesus defeated death and rose from the dead.
you get a Wonderful Counselor free of charge, who is always in control, always with you, and He grooms you for your appointment with the King.
did i mention you belong to the King of Kings?
did i mention you will be received with joy by the Creator of the universe?
you get unlimited Love from God; all the faith you ask for; access to His holy scriptures; a new family who loves you; and peace that is impossbile to explain. it's not like any peace you've ever known.
one thing you won't get: condemnation.
so......when can you start?[/quote]
Yesterday ! What a beautiful reality, isn't it ? Is Jesus GREAT or is He GREAT !!?
the benefits are:
you have your sins forgiven because Jesus took your place on the Cross.
you receive eternal life because Jesus defeated death and rose from the dead.
you get a Wonderful Counselor free of charge, who is always in control, always with you, and He grooms you for your appointment with the King.
did i mention you belong to the King of Kings?
did i mention you will be received with joy by the Creator of the universe?
you get unlimited Love from God; all the faith you ask for; access to His holy scriptures; a new family who loves you; and peace that is impossbile to explain. it's not like any peace you've ever known.
one thing you won't get: condemnation.
so......when can you start?[/quote]
Yesterday ! What a beautiful reality, isn't it ? Is Jesus GREAT or is He GREAT !!?
You are wrong. I do not preach another gospel. Jesus the Christ has come in the flesh.
You preach another gospel. That the Holy Spirit has abandoned us. That God only gave the Holy Spirit to the first church. That we cannot know Him in our hearts as Dear Father. And because you are unwilling to believe, to trust the love that goes beyond any understanding, that God our Father would withhold nothing from us if we but asked, you malign anyone who might trust Him fully. Along with Red and unclefester and others, who also malign myself and those who preach that God loves us enough to give us of Himself, the Holy Spirit, and welcome us into His presence as His beloved children. But I know that God loves us, I saw Jesus crucified for us, for you and me.
So what I consider your prayers and Red's prayers to be is voodoo. I ask God publicly to block any of your efforts to cause me change. He I have committed myself to, in love and trust and hope. He changes me as I grow to know Him better each day. Jesus Christ my Lord who loves me and you. More than He loved His life. And so I must love you the same, more than my life. And so I swallow my tongue when you compare me with someone demon possessed, deceived and a deceiver, the worst offender. And so I do not answer you as my heart demands, but rather in the love of Jesus Christ.
In Christ, and in His love,
vic
You preach another gospel. That the Holy Spirit has abandoned us. That God only gave the Holy Spirit to the first church. That we cannot know Him in our hearts as Dear Father. And because you are unwilling to believe, to trust the love that goes beyond any understanding, that God our Father would withhold nothing from us if we but asked, you malign anyone who might trust Him fully. Along with Red and unclefester and others, who also malign myself and those who preach that God loves us enough to give us of Himself, the Holy Spirit, and welcome us into His presence as His beloved children. But I know that God loves us, I saw Jesus crucified for us, for you and me.
So what I consider your prayers and Red's prayers to be is voodoo. I ask God publicly to block any of your efforts to cause me change. He I have committed myself to, in love and trust and hope. He changes me as I grow to know Him better each day. Jesus Christ my Lord who loves me and you. More than He loved His life. And so I must love you the same, more than my life. And so I swallow my tongue when you compare me with someone demon possessed, deceived and a deceiver, the worst offender. And so I do not answer you as my heart demands, but rather in the love of Jesus Christ.
In Christ, and in His love,
vic
here's your feeble attempt to justify neomontanism:
(yet another pathological LIE from you).
here's what you, VW the PROPHET have uttered as coming from The Holy Spirit:
i don't know for certain yet if you're suffering severe mental illnnes; demon possession; or if you are an occultist here with an agenda to damage the church.
i know there are very few self-ordained prophets out there (and i watch many of them) who are as far gone as you. it's shocking, really.
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i didn't say i was praying for you: i'm not. i'm against you.
and i should have said I ASSUME Red is praying for you, since i know his heart. maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
(yet another pathological LIE from you).
here's what you, VW the PROPHET have uttered as coming from The Holy Spirit:
i don't know for certain yet if you're suffering severe mental illnnes; demon possession; or if you are an occultist here with an agenda to damage the church.
i know there are very few self-ordained prophets out there (and i watch many of them) who are as far gone as you. it's shocking, really.
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i didn't say i was praying for you: i'm not. i'm against you.
and i should have said I ASSUME Red is praying for you, since i know his heart. maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
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