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rainacorn

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My husband and I have been going over what we deem to be appropriate for children. We are coming up with lists of what we think would be positive influences and what will probably damage our kids.

I've been anti-Disney for a while, personally. I think they sexualize children and have a lot of institutional prejudices against minorities and women. My nephews watch Disney from time to time and it really makes me sick. Like not even the commercials are appropriate for younger kids.

But... I like those old movies. I was raised on that stuff. Anyway, I came across some images and wanted to post them (some of them I think are too sexual and would get me banned), but really I am looking for other people's opinions on Disney. There is clearly both good and bad, but can you support JUST the good in something? Your money doesn't clarify.

 

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I agree with you!! My family has the Disney channel (as well as several others) blocked out an all the televisions in the house. My parent's were anti-disney for a while but what really put them over the top is when Disney started playing that Wizard of Waverly Place junk. Some of the stuff on there is quite gross.
 
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Gimzani

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Disney worships the god of Money - (Mammon/Molech).

In ancient times this god was used to burn infants alive in a sacrificial furnace that were produced in the spring rites of fertilitiy. Disney is not going that far.... ...yet.
 
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needmesomejesus

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I'm personally a fan of Disney. I mean I won't let my child watch every show, but I think in the end the teach some good morals. I've noticed especially in Good Luck Charlie that the children never get away with trying to sneak around or trick their parents and I think that's a good lesson. Also there are a lot of shows about children lying to get someone to like them and they are learning that that never pays off. I think some of the shows are for older children even teenagers while the shows in the morning are for the younger children. Also the Disney princess movies are great, little girls are shown that their prince is coming for them even if it takes a longer time. The latest Princess and the Frog was the best because the woman was a hard worker who busted her butt to get things done and wasn't just sitting around waiting for her prince to come.
 
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Gimzani

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There may be some good - sure. I just hate the INDUSTRY that Disney has become - ya' know?
 
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needmesomejesus

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There may be some good - sure. I just hate the INDUSTRY that Disney has become - ya' know?

oh i don't care about the industry cause that's not my business. In reality all t.v. shows are only in it for money, but that doesn't mean we boycott t.v. all together.
 
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Honey12

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I do agree that are some themes to these movies that can be 'inappropriate'. But you have to realize people come to these conclusions and find all these points after looking into quuiiiitte a bit. A kid would never realize these things. I doubt most little girls would watch these and pick it apart like that. I also really doubt they're that influenced by it.
I'm not saying it's a good thing that these themes can be found in movies, it would be better without it. But I don't think it has as much influence on children as people claim. I suppose it's just an individual parental decision.
 
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YoungServant

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disney teaches kids to believe in magic and witchcraft
 
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Honey12

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disney teaches kids to believe in magic and witchcraft
It shouldn't.
You're children shouldn't rely on television to teach them things.
The parent has responsibility too.
 
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rainacorn

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It shouldn't.
You're children shouldn't rely on television to teach them things.
The parent has responsibility too.
I agree with this, but it is naive to think children don't learn things from television.

Children are sponges. They absorb EVERYTHING. Parents can and should teach them, but it's not the only place they'll learn.
 
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dmdave17

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I am looking for other people's opinions on Disney.
Was good. Is bad! As you can see from my age, I grew up with the real Disney products; "Snow White", "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", etc.. And what did all those offerings have in common? Why a real Disney, of course. The company started going downhill with the death of Walt Disney. The slide really accelerated when Roy Disney also passed away and it became a corporate conglomerate. That's when profits took precedence over the message. Instead of sticking to what had worked for close to fifty years, they decided they had to compete with MTV.

It is a real shame.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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What i dont like most about Disney movies is the way some of their female characters are dressed. It's disturbing. So rain i agree that wouldn't be a good influence.

I have children that are a little older myself. I wont let them watch some of the movies that our generation watched when we were growing up. Mainly the ones that have the female character dressed like a hooker.

However disney movies like Tarzan, Cars, Beauty and the beast, Cinderella, The lion king you know stuff like that. It's totally fine with me they watch them. Cause let me tell you the kid is not gonna be sittin in front of Beauty and the beast goin hmmmm you know what She saves him using her only asset... Her sexuality.
When my kids watch Cinderella for example, they love the mice. Thats what they like best about the whole movie actually. That and there always curious how she actually wore glass shoes without them breaking.
Most of the time the kids are more enthralled with the animals in the movie rather than the actual plot of what is goin on.

I have personally always liked Disney, as i said i do agree that some of the movies and the way there dressed is pretty skanky. However i dont think thats enough to say OKAY LETS DO AWAY WITH ALL OF DISNEY!

Pixar which i dont know, that may be owned by disney. They have some movies i dont agree with either, but im not gonna say PIXAR IS OF THE DEVIL!!!

I think its always good to remember that after all they are children. We should make smart decisions about what they watch, For each parent that has a different meaning. However a lot of the times the things adults are ripping apart the most, the child doesnt even pay attention to.


Rain i want to address something else that you said. You either have no kids yet, or you have just one and its still a baby.

The funny thing about parenting is this. With your first child your always soooo worried about what will and wont damage him or her. Your super paranoid about EVERYTHING.
With the second one your more relaxed.

Again, most of the time what your thinking will damage your kid, will probably have no effect on them at all. Obviously be smart and wise about decisions concerning what he or she does, but over analyzing is for the birds when it comes to kids. There not going to be thinking like we are.

I think as parents our anxiety, stress and tension is what can be most damaging to them.
 
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YoungServant

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It shouldn't.
You're children shouldn't rely on television to teach them things.
The parent has responsibility too.
it's the parent's responsibility to teach us about magic and witchcraft?
 
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rainacorn

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To be clear, I don't have any kids and I'm not pregnant. I'm only recently married.

My interest in this is because we would like to start having kids in the near future, so naturally we're having conversations about kid stuff. Like is it wrong to force your babies to learn how to read or is that the greatest thing ever? lol

Anyway, I know some Disney programs are okay and like I said, I LOVE those old movies. However, when I watch Disney with my nephews, the show they're watching may be appropriate, but the commercial breaks are full of jailbait T&A. Maybe they're watching Handy Manny, which is fine, but then Selena Gomez pops out shaking her boobies, trying to sell albums hahaha Follow that with a bunch of commercials for Bratz dolls or other vaguely sexual nonsense featuring young girls with way too much makeup and hair extensions and I worry that my nephews are being subliminally taught that beauty is a porn star.

I can only imagine how little girls are seeing it. Maybe that's why they sell high heels and push up bras for babies now.
 
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kayem77

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To be clear, I don't have any kids and I'm not pregnant. I'm only recently married.

My interest in this is because we would like to start having kids in the near future, so naturally we're having conversations about kid stuff. Like is it wrong to force your babies to learn how to read or is that the greatest thing ever? lol

Anyway, I know some Disney programs are okay and like I said, I LOVE those old movies. However, when I watch Disney with my nephews, the show they're watching may be appropriate, but the commercial breaks are full of jailbait T&A. Maybe they're watching Handy Manny, which is fine, but then Selena Gomez pops out shaking her boobies, trying to sell albums hahaha Follow that with a bunch of commercials for Bratz dolls or other vaguely sexual nonsense featuring young girls with way too much makeup and hair extensions and I worry that my nephews are being subliminally taught that beauty is a porn star.

I can only imagine how little girls are seeing it. Maybe that's why they sell high heels and push up bras for babies now.
Gross....you reminded me of that sickening show Toddlers and Tiaras. Disgusting.
 
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Honey12

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I agree with this, but it is naive to think children don't learn things from television.

Children are sponges. They absorb EVERYTHING. Parents can and should teach them, but it's not the only place they'll learn.
I agree. What I meant was there are some things that adults look really far into to make certain conclusions, so it's highly unlikely that a child would take it the same way.

it's the parent's responsibility to teach us about magic and witchcraft?
No, if the parent is so worried about it, it's their responsibility to teach the child against it.

It seems a lot of people want to blame how a child acts or thinks on what they see on TV or in the world in general. Yeah, kids are going to encounter some things out there that aren't okay, but it's ultimately the parents jobs to steer them away from it and teach them right from wrong.
 
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rainacorn

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No, if the parent is so worried about it, it's their responsibility to teach the child against it.

It seems a lot of people want to blame how a child acts or thinks on what they see on TV or in the world in general. Yeah, kids are going to encounter some things out there that aren't okay, but it's ultimately the parents jobs to steer them away from it and teach them right from wrong.
That's the entire point of this thread :)
 
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But... I like those old movies. I was raised on that stuff. Anyway, I came across some images and wanted to post them (some of them I think are too sexual and would get me banned), but really I am looking for other people's opinions on Disney. There is clearly both good and bad, but can you support JUST the good in something? Your money doesn't clarify.

...I'm your Cartoon Critic because you are never too old for cartoons (and this is for whoever made that ridiculous picture, not the person who started this thread unless they're the same person who made it).

Snow White:
It wasn't her "burgeoning sexuality" that threatened the Queen, it was the fact that she was prettier and it made the Queen jealous... a normal part of life that some girls will face growing up though usually from other girls, not their evil step-parents. And her looks weren't what saved her, it was her friendliness and helpful behavior that won over the dwarves loyalty and made them want to protect her just like any good friend would. And her ability to sing was what attracted the prince in her direction in the first place, not her looks, and after being charmed by her personality it inspired him to search for her until he found her.

Sleeping Beauty:
Betrothal was not that uncommon back in the day, and arranged marriages have a higher success rate than regular marriages. And anyone who has a mind dirty enough to think a simple kiss is sex probably shouldn't be allowed to have any physical contact with any living creature (and if they thought the Disney version was perverted they should steer clear of the Anne Rice version).

Jasmine:
I don't understand the first complaint. Whoever made this picture clearly has a problem with women who can't seem to think for themselves and rely on their looks to save them, but then when they're faced with a princess who can think for herself and actually respects herself to not marry just anyone because it's expected of her, they hate that too? Whoever made this just wants any reason to hate Disney and is being completely unreasonable here and contradicting themselves. And way to sound like the villain and continue to call the poor boy who saves her in the end, "a street rat." Also, this was one of the few Disney princesses that was able to do more than just play "damsel in distress." The only reason she was actually in danger at the end was it took an evil sorcerer with "phenomenal cosmic powers" to finally overpower her. I'm sorry she didn't pack her own superhuman powers to fight back, but I bet if she did she'd get yelled at next for witchcraft.

Ariel:
She changes her appearance because from the beginning of the movie she wanted to see what life was like as a human. Like when kids pretend they can fly or they're movie stars or whatever, it was like that. She wanted to be human well before she met Prince Eric, and when she does meet him it only makes him the cherry on top if she becomes a human, and you can't really blame her for that, I mean he was one of the more cute Disney Princes. Also he is attracted to her when he first sees her in her mermaid form and still loves her even after he's seen it, so it makes the argument that "she did it for him" completely invalid. Also (I know bringing up a video game doesn't count but since it was also made by Disney) in Kingdom Hearts 2, Eric finds out that she's a mermaid and before she even thinks of trying to find a way to become human again he offers to learn how to swim just so he can spend the rest of his life with her. I don't know about you, but that's the kind of man I'd like to marry.

Belle:
Belle does not save the Beast with her sexuality but by pure love. The spell clearly stated that only true love would break the spell, not a random sexy seductress. She falls in love with him in spite of what he is, learns to see the good in him, and learns that the outward appearance isn't what matters, it's the heart (sound familiar?). Also this was another princess who stood out because she was willing to fend for herself, she had a mind of her own, and just because she was pretty she wasn't willing to just take the easy road, marry the handsome man in town who could give her a stable life, and spend the rest of her days as a baby producing homemaker. And even when locked in a cellar, knowing that the towns people are on the way to brutally murder the beast, she breaks out and runs out to save him, caring more about him than herself.

Cinderella:
She isn't saved by the prince, did you even watch this movie? She saves herself. After being locked in the tower by her evil step mother (a woman who I would have punched in the face every chance I got but wasn't because her step daughter was obedient and respectful even in the most hateful of conditions... ''Children obey your parents,'' anyone?) she is saved by her friends the mice, creatures she had always treated with the utmost compassion and kindness when most people would have driven them out of the house or had them killed, and even has the nerve to finally at the end stand up for herself, march down the stairs, past her step mother, and put the slipper on to prove she was the person who won over the heart of the prince, who by the way fell in love with her after spending time with her, not because he thought she was just pretty (the dance scene outside of the palace ring a bell?).

If you really really really want to find a reason to hate and see the bad in something, you'll see it. But maybe if you took notes from some of these movies that taught compassion, forgiveness, and above all trying to find the good in others, you probably would have walked away with some valuable lessons from these films rather than finding (or in most cases) making up excuses to hate them and trying to convince people they're evil. Nothing like taking something purely innocent and twisting it to make it into a cesspool of immorality.
 
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rainacorn

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lol I didn't make the graphic! I just found it online and thought it was interesting

Just wanted to clarify so you guys don't think I'm one of those crazy people that watches Disney movies frame by frame to find subliminal boners or something
 
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I would say that graphic is probably designed by some hardcore feminist who hates the idea of disney princess movies...i mean they are really stretching for any of those descriptions like vikkikate already explained. The disney channel is another beast entirely but those movies are not nearly as bad as the graphic states.