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oh really?
huh. usually I check things out when they seem ...off...this time I didn't tho.
so he's a lurker then
huh. usually I check things out when they seem ...off...this time I didn't tho.
so he's a lurker then
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Well, one can put that wherever they wish, friend, but I see it as counsel to those of us TODAY who read the Word of God as counsel for our own journey. God gave us discernment by examples, but clearly sets forth what we need to hold NOW. Some souls do not read the Word of God fully, and some do not read it all to get the fullness of it---"all the counsel of God" and "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" as He tells us. When we read the Epistles we learn of the intent of God for His testimony in the collective Church in the world, I am sure.
Satan, as the 'deceiver' as God says --a 'beguiler', is always whispering in our mind to disobey God and please ourselves (as Scripture makes clear of his workings). God is surely separating faithful Christians to ones who are "carnal" (which He disdains, and who will forfeit much at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven). Let us remember the rewards there are: "Gold; silver; precious stones" for faithful and obedient saints; and "wood, hay, and stubble" for the carnal saints who barely entered in (being only feebel believers).
Well, we can all choose how we will honor God!
Satan, as the 'deceiver' as God says --a 'beguiler', is always whispering in our mind to disobey God and please ourselves (as Scripture makes clear of his workings). God is surely separating faithful Christians to ones who are "carnal" (which He disdains, and who will forfeit much at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven). Let us remember the rewards there are: "Gold; silver; precious stones" for faithful and obedient saints; and "wood, hay, and stubble" for the carnal saints who barely entered in (being only feebel believers).
Well, we can all choose how we will honor God!
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Do you know the difference between holding a believable discourse and getting angry because someone pointed out the ironic post you made?
You cannot understand scripture and state that tongues are not of God and in the next minute say you conversed with God
Frankly, I don't believe you at all when you say God told you that
you reject actual scripture and then claim you had extra-biblical revelation. can't make this stuff up
You cannot understand scripture and state that tongues are not of God and in the next minute say you conversed with God
Frankly, I don't believe you at all when you say God told you that
you reject actual scripture and then claim you had extra-biblical revelation. can't make this stuff up
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how can you make such a blanket statement when we know that Speaking in Tongues is speaking [[((MYSTERIES))]]?
1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for [[no man understandeth]] him; howbeit in the spirit he [[speaketh ((mysteries))]].
if we are Speaking to God, and no man can understand because it is a Mystery, how can you ask if we know a difference?
what is being Spoken to God is a Mystery only God can understand.
if i am not able to understand it, how can i know a difference when the MYSTERY being Spoken through me could be something i already said in English, but God wanted no one else to know what i said and gave me the Utterance to Speak it in a Mystery?
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as ((the Spirit)) [[gave them utterance]].
1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for [[no man understandeth]] him; howbeit in the spirit he [[speaketh ((mysteries))]].
if we are Speaking to God, and no man can understand because it is a Mystery, how can you ask if we know a difference?
what is being Spoken to God is a Mystery only God can understand.
if i am not able to understand it, how can i know a difference when the MYSTERY being Spoken through me could be something i already said in English, but God wanted no one else to know what i said and gave me the Utterance to Speak it in a Mystery?
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as ((the Spirit)) [[gave them utterance]].
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the Church Fathers tells us the Gifts will be here until that [which is PREFECT] which is when we see God face to face.
since that's not happened yet, Perfect has not come.
the debate is Tongues ends when that which is PERFECT has come.
i tend to use resources closest to the source like the Church Fathers who chose to write about this.
Irenaeus:
As therefore, when that which is perfect is come, we shall not see another Father, but Him who we now desire to see [12]
Tertullian:
refers to the visible manifestation of Jesus
Clement of Alexander:
to' teaelov is the believer's state when he see's God
Origen:
combines Verse 12 with 10 when we see Jesus [face to face]
Eusebius:
The apostle thought it necessary that the prophetic Gifts should continue in all the Church until the final Coming of Jesus
Archelaus:
"the perfect" is Jesus
Methodius:
the return of Christ and events associated with it
Ambrose:
when we are face to face with God
Jerome:
when we see the Glory of the Lord
Leo the Great:
when we see God as He really is
so as we see, these Church Fathers tells us that the PERFECT TO COME is when we see God [face to face].
none of us have seen God face to face so we can deduct that Speaking in Tongues is still active today.
since that's not happened yet, Perfect has not come.
the debate is Tongues ends when that which is PERFECT has come.
i tend to use resources closest to the source like the Church Fathers who chose to write about this.
Irenaeus:
As therefore, when that which is perfect is come, we shall not see another Father, but Him who we now desire to see [12]
Tertullian:
refers to the visible manifestation of Jesus
Clement of Alexander:
to' teaelov is the believer's state when he see's God
Origen:
combines Verse 12 with 10 when we see Jesus [face to face]
Eusebius:
The apostle thought it necessary that the prophetic Gifts should continue in all the Church until the final Coming of Jesus
Archelaus:
"the perfect" is Jesus
Methodius:
the return of Christ and events associated with it
Ambrose:
when we are face to face with God
Jerome:
when we see the Glory of the Lord
Leo the Great:
when we see God as He really is
so as we see, these Church Fathers tells us that the PERFECT TO COME is when we see God [face to face].
none of us have seen God face to face so we can deduct that Speaking in Tongues is still active today.
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That is so offensive! We all know that you are is contracted as 'you're' and not 'your'. Honestly.
Spelling has never been my strength.
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The way to reason from scripture that the gift of tongues has been put away and fulfilled its purpose is by looking at its purpose and the foundation that was laid by the apostles.
Foundation established.. no need for the tools used to make it.
1 Co 13 isn't the primary passage to use for cessationism.. but what leads....
What the process is that gets the point of the completion of the canon.
Foundation established.. no need for the tools used to make it.
1 Co 13 isn't the primary passage to use for cessationism.. but what leads....
What the process is that gets the point of the completion of the canon.
this is my 3rd Discussion on it. so i am not alarmed, offended, annoyed, baffled. i just am confused how someone can use Tertullian and call him the father of the Trinity but can rebuke him when he makes this claim concerning what is the [[PERFECT TO COME]] mean when the Gifts of Tongues, Knowledge, and Prophecies CEASE:
Tertullian:
refers to the visible manifestation of Jesus
either Tertullian is correct about BOTH Issues or he is Wrong. but there is no he is right about this and wrong about that. we know he was anointed of God, or we would not keep claiming the Trinity Viewpoint he brought forth.
Tertullian:
refers to the visible manifestation of Jesus
either Tertullian is correct about BOTH Issues or he is Wrong. but there is no he is right about this and wrong about that. we know he was anointed of God, or we would not keep claiming the Trinity Viewpoint he brought forth.
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then may i ask this question. if you follow the idealism about the "Perfect to Come" is when the Bible was finished. how can it be finished when we don't have One Perfect Translation of it?
most are using the Translation from Greek to Latin to English when Latin has 3 possible words to every Greek word and English has 4 possible to every Latin and the same towards the Greek.
we don't even have the most authentic originals to judge by.
most are using the Translation from Greek to Latin to English when Latin has 3 possible words to every Greek word and English has 4 possible to every Latin and the same towards the Greek.
we don't even have the most authentic originals to judge by.
what's to learn?
i was Baptist and thought every day God cannot be this boring and lifeless and void. i tried Denominations like Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian and thought i would kill myself from the Spiritual Deathness. then Pentecostal. Grant it i am Independent now, and have Witnessed God like never before. but why would i want to be spiritually DEAD in those other Denominations?
i was Baptist and thought every day God cannot be this boring and lifeless and void. i tried Denominations like Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian and thought i would kill myself from the Spiritual Deathness. then Pentecostal. Grant it i am Independent now, and have Witnessed God like never before. but why would i want to be spiritually DEAD in those other Denominations?
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