Cashless society in relation to Revelation

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AndrewMorgan

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Lately, I've heard a few people say that institutions (which includes my brother's) are becoming cashless.
This, they say, is because "the people that ('be' - (or 'are' - which seems to be grammatically correct) are)" working to "keep tabs on" people and control what they do.
I'm unconvinced about this, but I'm reminded of Revelation, where it's said that people who do not have the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell.
I wonder if this is "a sign of the times".
I'd be interested to hear others' views on this subject.
 

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Lately, I've heard a few people say that institutions (which includes my brother's) are becoming cashless.
This, they say, is because "the people that ('be' - (or 'are' - which seems to be grammatically correct) are)" working to "keep tabs on" people and control what they do.
I'm unconvinced about this, but I'm reminded of Revelation, where it's said that people who do not have the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell.
I wonder if this is "a sign of the times".
I'd be interested to hear others' views on this subject.

The mark of the beast is slowly but surely being implemented. I know that in China, they have a social credit score and if they do not behave according to the CCP guidelines, they are penalized, cannot buy plane tickets, etc... they have also implemented a digital currency linked to the social credit score, they can block the funds of anybody anytime. Furthermore the Chinese communist party can put an expiration date on the digital currency if they do not spend before the expiry date the currency vanished from your digital wallet, they claim it is to stimulate the economy....

Many European countries are looking into doing the same; health card plus social score plus digital walled in one, they will have full control on the people, it is coming soon read about the world economic forum (WEF) and their agenda 2030 and digital ID, it's all true..

Peace

JF
 

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The mark of the beast is slowly but surely being implemented. I know that in China, they have a social credit score and if they do not behave according to the CCP guidelines, they are penalized, cannot buy plane tickets, etc... they have also implemented a digital currency linked to the social credit score, they can block the funds of anybody anytime. Furthermore the Chinese communist party can put an expiration date on the digital currency if they do not spend before the expiry date the currency vanished from your digital wallet, they claim it is to stimulate the economy....

Many European countries are looking into doing the same; health card plus social score plus digital walled in one, they will have full control on the people, it is coming soon read about the world economic forum (WEF) and their agenda 2030 and digital ID, it's all true..

Peace

JF

Thanks for responding.
Do you think it's a deliberate attempt to "keep tabs" on people?
Also, do you think it's a sign that Rev. Is coming true?
 
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Thanks for responding.
Do you think it's a deliberate attempt to "keep tabs" on people?
Also, do you think it's a sign that Rev. Is coming true?
initially, i think it's safer for the business + less work dealing with cash and transferring it to the bank.

ultimately, and even now, it leaves a trail if you go there and make purchases.

the Senate, was given a Bill by Biden this past January/February for the United States to go completely cashless. i presume they are researching the benefits. in the 1920's/30's when Wall Street collapsed, the government forced citizens to give up their gold, which established the dollar value back [fort knox is the vault it is still kept today]. in the 60's/70's Nixon did something similar but not by using gold, he just passed new standards. according to Biden's Bill, it will keep the dollar at a flat standard at the rate 96 cents and never decrease going electric because the markets cannot be influenced by who has to most money. it's bound to happen sooner rather than later.

and yes, it will all lead to the Prophecies in Revelation.
 

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initially, i think it's safer for the business + less work dealing with cash and transferring it to the bank.

ultimately, and even now, it leaves a trail if you go there and make purchases.

the Senate, was given a Bill by Biden this past January/February for the United States to go completely cashless. i presume they are researching the benefits. in the 1920's/30's when Wall Street collapsed, the government forced citizens to give up their gold, which established the dollar value back [fort knox is the vault it is still kept today]. in the 60's/70's Nixon did something similar but not by using gold, he just passed new standards. according to Biden's Bill, it will keep the dollar at a flat standard at the rate 96 cents and never decrease going electric because the markets cannot be influenced by who has to most money. it's bound to happen sooner rather than later.

and yes, it will all lead to the Prophecies in Revelation.

I've heard many people say it's a step towards government control over people. I tend to think (perhaps naively) that that is not the case - rather a matter of convenience.
However, it does seem to parallel what's stated in Revelation.
 

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initially, i think it's safer for the business + less work dealing with cash and transferring it to the bank.

ultimately, and even now, it leaves a trail if you go there and make purchases.

the Senate, was given a Bill by Biden this past January/February for the United States to go completely cashless. i presume they are researching the benefits. in the 1920's/30's when Wall Street collapsed, the government forced citizens to give up their gold, which established the dollar value back [fort knox is the vault it is still kept today]. in the 60's/70's Nixon did something similar but not by using gold, he just passed new standards. according to Biden's Bill, it will keep the dollar at a flat standard at the rate 96 cents and never decrease going electric because the markets cannot be influenced by who has to most money. it's bound to happen sooner rather than later.

and yes, it will all lead to the Prophecies in Revelation.
I’ve been reading your posts here in the forum and you seem like a reasonable person who puts things in perspective when discussing.
‘In this post you gave a short true history of how cash has evolved.
‘Now I’d like to expand that to the history of humanity.
We basically started with sheep, then coin, then gold and we got the industrial revolution then we got the tech revolution and now we are here.
‘’Why do we have to link ANY of those things to a prophecy? This is just the human journey as we learn, progress and adapt and change.

We also change in our appearance too. We don’t look like we were 20 years ago or when we were children.
So have you thought about that maybe we don’t like change instead? I mean nostalgia is a thing.
‘I personally miss the 80s.
 

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Thanks for re



Thanks for responding.
Do you think it's a deliberate attempt to "keep tabs" on people?
Also, do you think it's a sign that Rev. Is coming true?
Hi Andrew, I think it is more of a control tool, do not forget that the mark of the beast will be implemented under false pretenses. Did you hear about micro chipping children for safety on tv and in the news? in Sweden they are getting micro chipped ( voluntary basis ) just to open doors and pay at a terminal by swapping their hands over a reader. it all seems practical but later these microchips can and will be used to generate cryptocurrency for the world's elite
(the world bankers that control all governments through the WEF puppets like our prime minister in canada, pushing for the great reset )

trudeau pushing for the great reset (WEF link);

see patent no WO060606 filed by Microsoft inc. in 2019. of course people saw the 666 number in this patent and since then the patent office re-labeled it WO202060606A1

link:https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2020060606A1/en

the sensor described in the patent could be a microchip implant, a fit bit, an apple watch a pair of google glasses, ultimately it will be a microchip that will contain your health info ( vaccine info!! ) your social credit score your banking info and digital currency wallet.
How? see all the 5G and now announced 6G wireless systems? they want to monitor us 24/7 for control purpose, they want to connect everything together, one purpose is to generate tons of data, big date now is more valuable than oil or gold ( quadrillions) of dollars market.
of course all this will be under a super artificial intelligence system, with the advent of the new quantum computers this is now possible.

I think one way we can fight back is to use cash as much as possible...

Prepare we are in the last days, all is set in motion. In 2017, I was warned repeatedly in spirit that we are at the begining of in the end times. I am certain of it.

But do not worry, pray to out heavenly father and do his will.

Blessings.

JF
 

AndrewMorgan

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What seems to be happening lately is like science fiction. Whether or not and to what degree it's an attempt by the "powers on high" to manipulate people for their own ends and money, I do not know.
But it does seem to be a fulfilling of the signs in Revelation, which would suggest the end times are near.
 

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Revelation 13

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."



If I had time, I could show you other applications for the mark IN the hand and head. Ask me later as a reminder if you are interested.

(This is my link directly to Jeff Beelzebub's YouTube channel.)

Satan wants the lives of everyone he can keep from our Lord. Zoe is Greek for.....life.
 

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Revelation 13

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."



If I had time, I could show you other applications for the mark IN the hand and head. Ask me later as a reminder if you are interested.

(This is my link directly to Jeff Beelzebub's YouTube channel.)

Satan wants the lives of everyone he can keep from our Lord. Zoe is Greek for.....life.
yes, this is a beta test for the coming mark! they try different things to see what the people will go for.....

RESIST!

Blessings,

J.F.
 
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I’ve been reading your posts here in the forum and you seem like a reasonable person who puts things in perspective when discussing.
‘In this post you gave a short true history of how cash has evolved.
‘Now I’d like to expand that to the history of humanity.
We basically started with sheep, then coin, then gold and we got the industrial revolution then we got the tech revolution and now we are here.
‘’Why do we have to link ANY of those things to a prophecy? This is just the human journey as we learn, progress and adapt and change.

We also change in our appearance too. We don’t look like we were 20 years ago or when we were children.
So have you thought about that maybe we don’t like change instead? I mean nostalgia is a thing.
‘I personally miss the 80s.
progression/evolving/keeping up with the times/etc is indeed in play here. and by all reasoning, going cashless is not only wise but safer for all involved. it just makes complete sense. no more robberies, no muggings for your wallet, it removes the possibility for a lot of Crime. but what we read in the Book of Revelation has a lot variances we can glean from. and more importantly, it shows us of a time in the history of humanity where this will take place. we already know by using the Word of God that from Genesis to Revelation humanity had not reached to technological capabilities spoken of in Revelation. and we also know from the 1st Century to the 20th Century we had not reached that point. but here we are now. we are at a point where we have satellites that can spy, follow us, read the face of a dime on a side walk from 10 Orbits Away, can find anyone on Grid within a 15 minute search probe. from Credit/Debit card usage, Mobile device usage, pinning of Tower to Tower, electronic and camera usage, we are well within the parameter's of the idealism behind what we read in Revelation. even our Smart Televisions connected to High Speed Internet Companies can view us through our cameras on our TV./Mobile Devices/Computers including activating the Speakers to listen to us.

what we don't really have, yet, is a 100% full guarantee GPS tracking device. this is where the RFID Chip comes into play or some type of device similar. once it's embedded under the skin, there's no removing the battery, unplugging the TV or Computer. the GPS Sensor in the RFID is 24/7/365/as long as the Lithium Battery remains alive. and making the Battery where the human body and movement creates energy to continually recharge the Battery was patented and been created for past 10 years. and then there will be NO PLACE to HIDE!

what Revelation speaks most clearly about is literally no more FREEDOM! and we are on the verge of being right there.

so even if we call it human evolving from the Garden of Eden to the era of Quantum Technology, it was all Designed by God before He ever Spoke the foundations of the Earth into existence. we have always been on the Path to reach this point. ironically, here we are!

what i like most about the Book of Revelation is that WE [[are the PEOPLE]] God revealed to John. WE are those mentioned in the Prophecy. we won't be there when it all takes place, but we will be there right to the point of seeing the literal Steps in Progression rather than just hearing the Discussions about getting there by the Governments.

WE are here, NOW, for this Purpose. it's a time where Preachers are denying Christ, where the Churches have integrated Same Sex Leadership, a time where Believers in God are so far Minority, the HARVEST is Perfect. Knowing the SIGNS [Matthew 24] [Daniel] [Revelation] [Isaiah] [Jeremiah] [Ezekiel] [Enoch] [Jude] [1st/2nd Peter] WE should be in the Fields GATHERING because TIME is no longer on our side!
 

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progression/evolving/keeping up with the times/etc is indeed in play here. and by all reasoning, going cashless is not only wise but safer for all involved. it just makes complete sense. no more robberies, no muggings for your wallet, it removes the possibility for a lot of Crime. but what we read in the Book of Revelation has a lot variances we can glean from. and more importantly, it shows us of a time in the history of humanity where this will take place. we already know by using the Word of God that from Genesis to Revelation humanity had not reached to technological capabilities spoken of in Revelation. and we also know from the 1st Century to the 20th Century we had not reached that point. but here we are now. we are at a point where we have satellites that can spy, follow us, read the face of a dime on a side walk from 10 Orbits Away, can find anyone on Grid within a 15 minute search probe. from Credit/Debit card usage, Mobile device usage, pinning of Tower to Tower, electronic and camera usage, we are well within the parameter's of the idealism behind what we read in Revelation. even our Smart Televisions connected to High Speed Internet Companies can view us through our cameras on our TV./Mobile Devices/Computers including activating the Speakers to listen to us.

what we don't really have, yet, is a 100% full guarantee GPS tracking device. this is where the RFID Chip comes into play or some type of device similar. once it's embedded under the skin, there's no removing the battery, unplugging the TV or Computer. the GPS Sensor in the RFID is 24/7/365/as long as the Lithium Battery remains alive. and making the Battery where the human body and movement creates energy to continually recharge the Battery was patented and been created for past 10 years. and then there will be NO PLACE to HIDE!

what Revelation speaks most clearly about is literally no more FREEDOM! and we are on the verge of being right there.

so even if we call it human evolving from the Garden of Eden to the era of Quantum Technology, it was all Designed by God before He ever Spoke the foundations of the Earth into existence. we have always been on the Path to reach this point. ironically, here we are!

what i like most about the Book of Revelation is that WE [[are the PEOPLE]] God revealed to John. WE are those mentioned in the Prophecy. we won't be there when it all takes place, but we will be there right to the point of seeing the literal Steps in Progression rather than just hearing the Discussions about getting there by the Governments.

WE are here, NOW, for this Purpose. it's a time where Preachers are denying Christ, where the Churches have integrated Same Sex Leadership, a time where Believers in God are so far Minority, the HARVEST is Perfect. Knowing the SIGNS [Matthew 24] [Daniel] [Revelation] [Isaiah] [Jeremiah] [Ezekiel] [Enoch] [Jude] [1st/2nd Peter] WE should be in the Fields GATHERING because TIME is no longer on our side!
Thank you for your explanation brother. Makes a lot of sense to me and I don’t reject it.
I do wonder though that things probably made a “lot of sense” during the plague in Europe where 50 million people died like they were nothing. I’m pretty sure some tried hard to find a correlation with the end of the world there.
‘’But how does that prayer go?

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference.
 

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Lately, I've heard a few people say that institutions (which includes my brother's) are becoming cashless.
This, they say, is because "the people that ('be' - (or 'are' - which seems to be grammatically correct) are)" working to "keep tabs on" people and control what they do.
I'm unconvinced about this, but I'm reminded of Revelation, where it's said that people who do not have the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell.
I wonder if this is "a sign of the times".
I'd be interested to hear others' views on this subject.
Nothing intrinsically wrong with the notion of cashlessness in-and-of itself. It will likely be so in Heaven.

It is the information gathering, surveillance, and tracking aspect that will empower the end-time adversary.

Note that taking the mark seem to entail going one step farther than simply carrying around a card. It seems to imply some kind of a permanent stamping or implanting that will be mandatory for buying and selling...

Revelation 13
16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

...and strictly forbidden by God...

Revelation 14
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

>
 

Live4Him3

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Lately, I've heard a few people say that institutions (which includes my brother's) are becoming cashless.

This, they say, is because "the people that ('be' - (or 'are' - which seems to be grammatically correct) are)" working to "keep tabs on" people and control what they do.

I'm unconvinced about this, but I'm reminded of Revelation, where it's said that people who do not have the mark of the beast will not be able to buy or sell.

I wonder if this is "a sign of the times".

I'd be interested to hear others' views on this subject.
Hi, Andrew.

When it comes to "the mark of the beast", we first need to understand that it is just that:

The mark of THE BEAST.

In other words, we're given plenty of descriptors in scripture which help us to properly identify who "the beast" is, and if we can properly identify "the beast", then we can also properly begin to look for his "mark".

In the book of Revelation, "the mark of the beast" is directly associated with the infamous "666", which is actually the number of the beast's name.

I made a post on this topic not too long ago, and you can view it here if you are interested in doing so:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...m-sea-1-from-earth.205994/page-2#post-4866614

Whether you choose to view it or not, when it comes to "the beast" (actually, "the first beast"...there are two "beasts" mentioned there) in the book of Revelation, as the old adage goes, "All roads lead to Rome" or, more specifically, to Papal Rome or the Vatican.

I can assure you, and easily provide documentation, that the Papacy/the Vatican is seeking control of the world's finances because they are "the beast", and "the mark of THE BEAST" will ultimately be directly associated with them.
 
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God showed me what happens during the Two Witnesses.I actually lived it like it was happening so I'm not even sure if it was a vision or if I was taken.It happen for weeks or even longer.At one point God had people coming over and falling at my feet and saying God loves me.Most of them had done me wrong so I didn't like that these people kept coming by all day and I told God I didn't want to see them but they just kept coming.They even gave me money.Strangers even not from my area.People would gift their vehicles.They'd be shocked that I had hydro and ask me about it and that was kinda weird and I heard a voice saying "should we tell him?" and I was told it was a EMP and the government knew about it and was in on it.
A couple sold their home and gave me the money but kept a portion of it and God told me in advanced and I was told what to say when the husband knocked on my door.I said it and he dropped dead just as two people who I know were walking up the driveway and I was told to tell them to take him and bury him.
The wife was scared to come to the house with the husband but she did come to ask about him later on.And she dropped dead by the door just as the two others were coming back from burying the husband, and so they had to bury her as well.
God made a way for that couple to sell their home and they got greedy and didn't trust the Lord.
All the things people gifted were for the church.Not for me.
Around the same time a weird thing happen.God told me to look out side and I saw a lion jump across the dirt road.It didn't make sense to me.
God played this joke me me as well.At the time it wasn't funny lol.When I was filled with his spirit I'd be hot like a furnace and sweating.It was literally exhausting on my body and mind.People would come to my house and we'd talk about scripture.As they would leave,others would show up.On and on it went and I just wanted to fall flat on my face on my bed but God kept drawing them in. Finally God said "rest" and I went to my bed and fell on it.And just as I did there was a another knock lol.
Way before this though at another time I asked Jesus if he had a sense of humor.So when this happen God said it was a joke.:LOL:

During the time of the Two Witnesses there is still physical money.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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yes, this is a beta test for the coming mark! they try different things to see what the people will go for.....

RESIST!

Blessings,

J.F.
Satan is using the billionaires to do his bidding. Gates, Musk and here's Bezos version. They all have their hands in this tech. Have you seen what Bill Gates gave up Microsoft for?
 

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All that we see today is a ramping up to the Antichrist system. It's totally planned & on purpose.