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studentoftheword

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Jesus said he came not to judge but to save..
But Jesus did Right;y Judge the Pharisees and the money changers at the temple ------

There is righteous Judgment for the Believer ---just like there is righteous Anger -----Jesus displayed both ----

A believer is not to judge an unbeliever as the unbeliever is living in the world and like the world therefore the unbeliever is not wrong by living and doing what the world does ----

A Believer is to rightly Judge another Believer when they see the person going down the wrong path ---as they are suppose to be living God's will not the way of the world -----and the Believer is to Judge with Love and gentleness and they are to keep watch on their own self so they are not judging Hypocritically ----
 
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PRAISE GOD JESUS DID NOT TEACH THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF GRACE DURING HIS MOST FAMOUS SERMON ON THE MOUNT:

lot's of baloney Grace being taught here...NOT!!
Are you saying that grace is a false doctrine and is "baloney?" Your comments are becoming increasingly alarming.

John 1:14-17
14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’ ”
16From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.
17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
 
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Are you saying that grace is a false doctrine and is "baloney?" Your comments are becoming increasingly alarming.

John 1:14-17
14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’ ”
16From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace.
17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
this is called the Crucifixion!

God's
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ebdesroches

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yeah we are meant to have our eyes on being right always but then in reality we fail also quite often in different ways while we are set to always do right and never sin , we can never forget the part where Jesus suffered and died d is e authority over us now and he is merciful to repentant people who believe in him

we tend to get stuck in an either or mindset “ either your sinless and perfect or your a condemned sinner “

but then There’s people like you and me
Who believe it’s simply time we got real with God and come clean when we mess up because we know he loves us and is t there to destroy us for mistakes but to forgive and intercede for us

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭

Jesus is our advocate now he’s saying “ sin not , but if anyone does happen to mess up and sin , confess and repent and he will cleanse us of it so we don’t get dragged down by condemnation for what’s forgiven so we can stand back up and pursue Jesus more it’s a lifetime process because we’re not perfect but we can choose to acknowledge , confess and repent when we realize we have sinned

if we simply pretend it doesn’t matter to God were never going to actually change anything if we acknolwedge we’ve sinned against his Will , it’s going to cause humility and repentance because we believe and want to please the one who died for us and lives forever for us to make intercession when we have made mistakes

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭

the idea is Jesus is our high priest when we need intercession we need to go to him and confess in repentance and because of his complete sacrifice he’s able to forgive and remit my sins as if they never occurred only if I don’t hide them d avoid dealing with them when I’m wrong though if I pretend I haven’t sinned because I don’t want to repent tha ta very different than repenting and then messing up later like your talking about I am with you it’s really about the relationship between the believer and the lord acknolwedging our sins before him like David

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: According unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin.

For I acknowledge my transgressions: And my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: That thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me. Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: And in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Hide thy face from my sins, And blot out all mine iniquities.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; And renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; And take not thy holy spirit from me.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭51:1-7, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


David sinned and was repenting he acknowledged his iniquities and sins to God and asked for mercy and this is David who committed sins of death adultery false witness and plotting murder having a man killed to cover his own sins

the new covenant is based on that repentant heart where when we’ve sinned we don’t hide from a gods presence we stand in his light and acknolwedge our sins that’s the process of having hen washed away eventually it is harder to sin as we used to , than it is to do the thkngs jesus teaches us to do in the gospel but it doesn’t happen if we pretend
Yes! I feel confident at the moment i have nothing on my conscience…i hope always to be like that. I believe i have hidden sin, that is hidden from me, i don’t recognize…but He does. I hope he reveals that to me me. I don’t want to displease the One I love in any way.

I hope in time to be more confirmed to exactly how He is.
 

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Who said anything about being saved to sin? You go from works are required for salvation to easy believeism is a free ride to sin. You’re deviance is shameful.
You have to understand, from a natural, fleshly mind it makes perfect sense to say that those who rely SOLELY on Jesus’s sacrifice for sin debt, and belief in His Resurrection, for Salvation, and there is NOTHING you can add or do to help attain or maintain that Salvation, are preaching a false Gospel.

That is exactly what the natural mind would think.

But the fact remains that is precisely the Gospel, and those that try to alter that Gospel are anathema.

The Gospel is completely counter intuitive to the natural human mind, that can’t really fathom unmerited favor, which is of course the definition of Grace.

So take heart brother. They are either babes or wolves. Let’s prayer the former.
 
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Yes! I feel confident at the moment i have nothing on my conscience…i hope always to be like that. I believe i have hidden sin, that is hidden from me, i don’t recognize…but He does. I hope he reveals that to me me. I don’t want to displease the One I love in any way.

I hope in time to be more confirmed to exactly how He is.
i pray like David did, forgive me of the sins that i am not aware of but reveal them to me so i can ask for forgiveness.
 
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the Lord's Prayer tells us if we REFUSE to forgive the sins committed against us the Father won't forgive the sins we've committed.

does anyone forgive your enemies any more?


also another example of no Grace but Condition.
 

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You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. James 2:19
 

Nehemiah6

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The Gospel is completely counter intuitive to the natural human mind, that can’t really fathom unmerited favor, which is of course the definition of Grace.
True. Even Christians have a hard time understanding that it is solely on the basis of the finished work of Christ that God can freely offer His grace and His gift of eternal life to the one who is His enemy.

This goes totally against the grain of ordinary human thinking. The thought being "How in the world could God offer the most precious gift of all FREELY? There must be a catch!"
 

Nehemiah6

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You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. James 2:19
But here's the difference. The demons (formerly evil angels) know without the shadow of a doubt that God is in fact God, who has reserved the abyss for demons, and that they will eventually be in the Lake of Fire. Hence they tremble. They even know that Jesus is the Son of God who will assign them to the Lake of Fire, hence "What have we to do with thee thou Jesus of Nazareth?"

On the other hand, the one who responds to the Gospel believes that Jesus is God who died for his personal sins and rose again for his personal justification. But there is no redemption for the evil angels and demons (including Satan).
 

ebdesroches

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But Jesus did Right;y Judge the Pharisees and the money changers at the temple ------

There is righteous Judgment for the Believer ---just like there is righteous Anger -----Jesus displayed both ----

A believer is not to judge an unbeliever as the unbeliever is living in the world and like the world therefore the unbeliever is not wrong by living and doing what the world does ----

A Believer is to rightly Judge another Believer when they see the person going down the wrong path ---as they are suppose to be living God's will not the way of the world -----and the Believer is to Judge with Love and gentleness and they are to keep watch on their own self so they are not judging Hypocritically ----

True. Even Christians have a hard time understanding that it is solely on the basis of the finished work of Christ that God can freely offer His grace and His gift of eternal life to the one who is His enemy.

This goes totally against the grain of ordinary human thinking. The thought being "How in the world could God offer the most precious gift of all FREELY? There must be a catch!"
Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
 

ebdesroches

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Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? 47As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
Easy believism only will work until the judgement day then the believers that have faith and do what He says (what easy believism subscribers say are works) will be welcomed into the kingdom, the rest He wont know and cast them the fire
 

arthurfleminger

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Easy believism only will work until the judgement day then the believers that have faith and do what He says (what easy believism subscribers say are works) will be welcomed into the kingdom, the rest He wont know and cast them the fire
The 'easy believers' are 'lip service believers' only. No substance to their faith in Jesus and all that He taught and commanded us to do.
 

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You have to understand, from a natural, fleshly mind it makes perfect sense to say that those who rely SOLELY on Jesus’s sacrifice for sin debt, and belief in His Resurrection, for Salvation, and there is NOTHING you can add or do to help attain or maintain that Salvation, are preaching a false Gospel.

That is exactly what the natural mind would think.

But the fact remains that is precisely the Gospel, and those that try to alter that Gospel are anathema.

The Gospel is completely counter intuitive to the natural human mind, that can’t really fathom unmerited favor, which is of course the definition of Grace.

So take heart brother. They are either babes or wolves. Let’s prayer the former.
You are blessed among men to have such godly insight. I am extremely humbled and thankful that you shared as you have. Your words immediately settled in my heart and have given me peace. God bless you, my brother, and rest assured, I will indeed pray for those of whom you speak.
 

Nehemiah6

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Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
This is addressed by Christ to the pretenders and hypocrites. The false professors of Christianity. It has no relevance to genuine believers who obey Christ and honor Him as Lord.
 
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The demons (formerly evil angels)
more like SEED of the Fallen Angels:

In ancient Jewish texts like the Dead Sea Scrolls, demons are the disembodied spirits of dead Nephilim giants who perished at the time of the great flood.
 
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The 'easy believers' are 'lip service believers' only. No substance to their faith in Jesus and all that He taught and commanded us to do.
i call these people Members of the Grace Doctrine. they are so convinced they are saved, they think the road is paved for them even if they choose not to do the Will of the Father.

example:
thinking that God made some people for Salvation and the rest for Hell so it's a waste of time to Witness to the Lost because they've been predetermined for Hell anyway. theoretically, they preach against judging but are the most judgmental of anyone.
 

Snacks

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Easy believism only will work until the judgement day then the believers that have faith and do what He says (what easy believism subscribers say are works) will be welcomed into the kingdom, the rest He wont know and cast them the fire
Romans 10:9-10 😊