What is your opinion about the "Historical Jesus"?
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They‘ve done some models on this and have come up with a few images …
which I personally don’t like but I do like this depiction below:
which I personally don’t like but I do like this depiction below:
Akiane Kramarik is a self-taught painter and says that Jesus spoke to her when she was four years old,
encouraging her to draw and paint her visions. She began to draw at the age of four, was painting at six,
and began to write poetry at seven. At the age of 8 years old, Akiane painted Jesus. Her first completed
self-portrait sold for US$10,000.
Kramarik's best-known painting is Prince of Peace, which she completed at the age of eight. [wiki]
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As your initials match those of the author, I would conclude you are him. I will caution you against using this site as a promotional vehicle.
That said, you are welcome to raise this or any other Bible-related issue for discussion. My personal view is that the historical Jesus and the theological Jesus are the same. However... if we approach the subject from a purely historical perspective, we are likely to conclude that Jesus was not God incarnate... and we would be sorely mistaken.
That said, you are welcome to raise this or any other Bible-related issue for discussion. My personal view is that the historical Jesus and the theological Jesus are the same. However... if we approach the subject from a purely historical perspective, we are likely to conclude that Jesus was not God incarnate... and we would be sorely mistaken.
Luke is based entirely on eye witness accounts , mark wrote peters account , John and Matthew were also eye witnesses
“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, that thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.”
Luke 1:1-4 KJV
Luke’s account is based on many eye witnesses including his own account which he says is a perfect understanding of all things gospel
the apostles are really important to the founding of the church because they were with him even Paul witnesses the Risen lord afterwards when he was appointed to apostleship by Christ
acts also is based on eye witness accounts
what I was saying is if we learn the gospel we will know Christ in truth know God in truth and begin to have a fuller understanding of him but if we go to other peoples ideas of Jesus we are t going to have that personal knowledge that he alone is able to reveal To us
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, ( the gospel ) that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20
The gospels purpose is for believers to come to know God in truth
“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:18
if we make the gospel the truth of God it’s going to bring us to know him personally based on faith hearing and believing the gospel
When we see Jesus interacting with people that believed in him like the sinful woman in luke 7 who came weeping at his feet in repentance , we’re starting to understand our God and being saved by faith he takes a know sinner rejected by the “ righteous” people and he rebuked the so called righteous and says of the sinful repentant woman “ your faith in me has saved you go in peace “
we can begin to understand our father that’s what it’s all about Through Christ d the true gospel God is revealing that his desire is to be our father and for us to be his children . This is what the gospel is able to reveal new relationship between man and God a Father d child relationship
this is why the father and son is the center piece of all doctrine Gods word is about saving his children and bringing them back into his eternal family
We can only find this when we go to Christ and believe the things he was teaching
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Matthew 23:9 KJV
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”
Matthew 5:16 KJV
“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.”
Luke 6:36 KJV
“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
Mark 11:25-26 KJV
“for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
John 16:27 KJV
If we go to the gospel as we learn these things Jesus repetitively teaches those who accept him and believe we come to change how we think and see God he’s no longer high on a throne and unknowable because Jesus is God coming To us and saying “here I am this is me , this is what I want from you , this is what I’ll give to you , this is how I care for you , this is all I have done for you to save your soul just believe me and you will be saved d I will give you more than you can imagine even eternal
Life with me “
the gospel is how we can know the truth of God whom is revealed himself in Christ Jesus
“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, that thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.”
Luke 1:1-4 KJV
Luke’s account is based on many eye witnesses including his own account which he says is a perfect understanding of all things gospel
the apostles are really important to the founding of the church because they were with him even Paul witnesses the Risen lord afterwards when he was appointed to apostleship by Christ
acts also is based on eye witness accounts
what I was saying is if we learn the gospel we will know Christ in truth know God in truth and begin to have a fuller understanding of him but if we go to other peoples ideas of Jesus we are t going to have that personal knowledge that he alone is able to reveal To us
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, ( the gospel ) that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20
The gospels purpose is for believers to come to know God in truth
“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:18
if we make the gospel the truth of God it’s going to bring us to know him personally based on faith hearing and believing the gospel
When we see Jesus interacting with people that believed in him like the sinful woman in luke 7 who came weeping at his feet in repentance , we’re starting to understand our God and being saved by faith he takes a know sinner rejected by the “ righteous” people and he rebuked the so called righteous and says of the sinful repentant woman “ your faith in me has saved you go in peace “
we can begin to understand our father that’s what it’s all about Through Christ d the true gospel God is revealing that his desire is to be our father and for us to be his children . This is what the gospel is able to reveal new relationship between man and God a Father d child relationship
this is why the father and son is the center piece of all doctrine Gods word is about saving his children and bringing them back into his eternal family
We can only find this when we go to Christ and believe the things he was teaching
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Matthew 23:9 KJV
“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”
Matthew 5:16 KJV
“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.”
Luke 6:36 KJV
“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
Mark 11:25-26 KJV
“for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
John 16:27 KJV
If we go to the gospel as we learn these things Jesus repetitively teaches those who accept him and believe we come to change how we think and see God he’s no longer high on a throne and unknowable because Jesus is God coming To us and saying “here I am this is me , this is what I want from you , this is what I’ll give to you , this is how I care for you , this is all I have done for you to save your soul just believe me and you will be saved d I will give you more than you can imagine even eternal
Life with me “
the gospel is how we can know the truth of God whom is revealed himself in Christ Jesus
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As your initials match those of the author, I would conclude you are him. I will caution you against using this site as a promotional vehicle.
That said, you are welcome to raise this or any other Bible-related issue for discussion. My personal view is that the historical Jesus and the theological Jesus are the same. However... if we approach the subject from a purely historical perspective, we are likely to conclude that Jesus was not God incarnate... and we would be sorely mistaken.
That said, you are welcome to raise this or any other Bible-related issue for discussion. My personal view is that the historical Jesus and the theological Jesus are the same. However... if we approach the subject from a purely historical perspective, we are likely to conclude that Jesus was not God incarnate... and we would be sorely mistaken.
He tried advertising his book, Salt & Light; The Complete Jesus some weeks back. Quite a right up about it but it turns out that he is unsure of his spiritual status as can be seen on his bio. I would conclude that his book is actually NOT the complete Jesus as regards his knowledge of the Complete Jesus.
IMO, this is still all about book sales as per his op in which that book is once again plugged in a not so obvious way.
Of course, that may just be me...
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ah yes
The blond blue eyed Jesus. He and I must have similar dna. I have no facial hair tho...
The blond blue eyed Jesus. He and I must have similar dna.
I have no facial hair tho...
In that drawing there are middle eastern features but I like that one because as @Magenta mentioned was drawn by a child who has a long history of visions and God reveals himself to children many times.
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‘He’s not blonde in that drawing.
In that drawing there are middle eastern features but I like that one because as @Magenta mentioned was drawn by a child who has a long history of visions and God reveals himself to children many times.
In that drawing there are middle eastern features but I like that one because as @Magenta mentioned was drawn by a child who has a long history of visions and God reveals himself to children many times.
Actually, this is what scripture says about our Lord:
He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no stately form or majesty to attract us, no beauty that we should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2
I mean you can like all the art you want, and you can fancy believing children have visions of what Jesus really looked like, but the actual Bible describes someone quite different.
I fancy Jesus on the white horse myself but I don't think I could render his visage.
Sorry but I don't give 2 shakes of a lamb's tail about the child's ' visions'. You should see my dreams. Most are not from God tho...
Oh sure he is. As a blond myself, and as all blonds know, your hair gets darker as you age. Mine used to be white but it's about the same color as that painting (artfully rendered no doubt) and I get highlights put in because it's darker.
Actually, this is what scripture says about our Lord:
He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no stately form or majesty to attract us, no beauty that we should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2
I mean you can like all the art you want, and you can fancy believing children have visions of what Jesus really looked like, but the actual Bible describes someone quite different.
I fancy Jesus on the white horse myself but I don't think I could render his visage.
Sorry but I don't give 2 shakes of a lamb's tail about the child's ' visions'. You should see my dreams. Most are not from God tho...
Actually, this is what scripture says about our Lord:
He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no stately form or majesty to attract us, no beauty that we should desire Him. Isaiah 53:2
I mean you can like all the art you want, and you can fancy believing children have visions of what Jesus really looked like, but the actual Bible describes someone quite different.
I fancy Jesus on the white horse myself but I don't think I could render his visage.
Sorry but I don't give 2 shakes of a lamb's tail about the child's ' visions'. You should see my dreams. Most are not from God tho...
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How aware of you regarding how history has been recorded? Do you know how the Egyptians treated it? Or the Romans? or how about people who start out with a premise they wish to prove and actually are not sure of what they believe?
hmmmm?
Due to inaccurate journalism and downright lying these days, BLM with their 1613 project, the desire to rewrite the history of the civil war in this country and make it all about slavery...which it most certainly was not...and this is actually the present day and age so I would challenge anyone to come up with what might described as dependable and very accurate 'history'
And yet and perhaps sadly, that is what we have. How much has disappeared. People cannot even agree on which books should be in the Bible and charge that the book of Enoch should not be when even Jesus quoted from it. Mind you, it does create quite the alarming picture not quite found in our current 66 books...I am no expert so I don't know if it belongs or not.
I do know that you cannot write about a complete Jesus when you do not know Him.
hmmmm?
Due to inaccurate journalism and downright lying these days, BLM with their 1613 project, the desire to rewrite the history of the civil war in this country and make it all about slavery...which it most certainly was not...and this is actually the present day and age so I would challenge anyone to come up with what might described as dependable and very accurate 'history'
And yet and perhaps sadly, that is what we have. How much has disappeared. People cannot even agree on which books should be in the Bible and charge that the book of Enoch should not be when even Jesus quoted from it. Mind you, it does create quite the alarming picture not quite found in our current 66 books...I am no expert so I don't know if it belongs or not.
I do know that you cannot write about a complete Jesus when you do not know Him.
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‘He’s not blonde in that drawing.
In that drawing there are middle eastern features but I like that one because as @Magenta mentioned
was drawn by a child who has a long history of visions and God reveals himself to children many times.
In that drawing there are middle eastern features but I like that one because as @Magenta mentioned
was drawn by a child who has a long history of visions and God reveals himself to children many times.
even those who knew Him personally did not readily recognize Him post-resurrection. Pre-
resurrection, Isaiah spoke of one Who had "no form nor comeliness" and "no beauty that we
should desire Him;" He was "despised and rejected of men", and as one "we hid as it were our
faces from Him; He was despised, and we esteemed Him not." That was the "before"...
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