Anti-vaxxers are people too?

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Anti-vaxxers are people, too?

  • Anti-vaxxers are people, but as they are wrong, they should remain silent.

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  • Anti-vaxxers aren't people and will likely die of corona-virus (or monkey pox).

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Anyone who still trusts the NY Times is an idiot

I'm not talking about "errors" with the NY Times. They ran a series of articles with a "deep throat" in the Trump administration who was portrayed by the NY Times as a high ranking official in the Trump administration. This person was insinuated to be someone of great importance, hence the anonymous slander of Trump. We thought it was the Secretary of State, or the Chief of Staff or some really key person. In fact it was some guy across town in a cubicle who was a grunndoon office staff. This was not an "innocent error" but a willful misleading of the public and a very clear violation of all journalistic ethics for the purpose of pushing their own agenda and narrative. Anyone who still trusts the NY times is an idiot.

The same is true of how they treated the Hunter Biden laptop story, not just NYT, but also WAPO, CNN and the rest. Now they want to claim that it was a confusing time. BS, we have known how to deal with viral infections for decades, there was nothing "confusing" that warranted their behavior. For example the way they ridiculed the use of HCQ was criminal and no doubt led to many needless deaths. Anyone who still trusts WAPO, CNN or MSNBC is an idiot. Same is true of Twitter and Facebook.

Fauci got 20 scientists who were beholden to him to lie about the origin of the Wuhan virus. Anyone who still trusts Fauci is an idiot.
I really don't much care about the way any of the World Players do their thing. God is ultimately in control The only paper I read is online out of Lancaster, Pa.. I was trying to figure out who are "real" Christians. I was almost sure it was the Amish. Although this vaccine thing of which I don't have shot 1, has got me a little interested in what gives with Wuhan and CDC. Now I see on this chat some people say it isn't CDC but SEEDY SEA.
 

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I really don't much care about the way any of the World Players do their thing. God is ultimately in control The only paper I read is online out of Lancaster, Pa.. I was trying to figure out who are "real" Christians. I was almost sure it was the Amish. Although this vaccine thing of which I don't have shot 1, has got me a little interested in what gives with Wuhan and CDC. Now I see on this chat some people say it isn't CDC but SEEDY SEA.
I listen to Steve Bannon everyday. He is very political and since that is not my burden I will often mute those portions, but his economic analysis is spot on (I used to be a stock broker) and he called the Bioweapon in January of 2020 before anyone else, and he was the one show that was releasing the truth when the storm against that was intense.
 

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God is in control, and ever since Chapter 1 in Genesis He has limited himself to what we invite Him into. When we have trouble down here, it is never from Him, it is our unwillingness to walk out the authority available to us in Christ.
 

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NONE that we know of. The vaccine doesn't work! So how the heck could have receiving it saved anyone's life?
That shows that you have no idea about the work of vaccines. There is a different if you have a virus type like measles or an virus type like the corona virus which is able to mutate and change his "face" and properties.
It is logic that a vaccine which is produced to fight f.e. against the delta variant cant work against later variants properly or effective.

It is also logic, that if the number of vaccined people grows, the number of people with sideeffects will grow.

But still much more people died in the USA because of the virus then because of the vaccine. Not mentioned the number of people which suffer of long covid and health problems because of the virus.
For to be fair, you should compare both.
But you have only in your eyes to proof how harmful and evil the vaccine is.
You may believe it or not the vaccine saved lifes and helped to be for many people less harmful then the virus.
But because you see only your view. You dont believe anything what is against your view.
True or not. This is not important for you.
Well thats your responsibility.
 

PennEd

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It is logic that a vaccine which is produced to fight f.e. against the delta variant cant work against later variants properly or effective.
Then why on Earth would anybody take it, since the virus from March 2020 no longer exists!

AND, they wont give you ANY new concocted "vaccine" or booster UNTIL you had the first ones!

Why can't you admit that the unvaccinated are faring MUCH better in every conceivable health metric, INCLUDING getting the virus?!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Then why on Earth would anybody take it, since the virus from March 2020 no longer exists!

AND, they wont give you ANY new concocted "vaccine" or booster UNTIL you had the first ones!

Why can't you admit that the unvaccinated are faring MUCH better in every conceivable health metric, INCLUDING getting the virus?!
But Ed, their programs are REALLY working.... I mean programming.

Pediatric Patient Story (See my last post)
https://christianchat.com/conspirac...gramming-predictive-programming.206885/page-4
 

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That shows that you have no idea about the work of vaccines. There is a different if you have a virus type like measles or an virus type like the corona virus which is able to mutate and change his "face" and properties.
It is logic that a vaccine which is produced to fight f.e. against the delta variant cant work against later variants properly or effective.

It is also logic, that if the number of vaccined people grows, the number of people with sideeffects will grow.

But still much more people died in the USA because of the virus then because of the vaccine. Not mentioned the number of people which suffer of long covid and health problems because of the virus.
For to be fair, you should compare both.
But you have only in your eyes to proof how harmful and evil the vaccine is.
You may believe it or not the vaccine saved lifes and helped to be for many people less harmful then the virus.
But because you see only your view. You dont believe anything what is against your view.
True or not. This is not important for you.
Well thats your responsibility.

you ever consider that maybe all the boosters are causing all the new variants??
 

wolfwint

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you ever consider that maybe all the boosters are causing all the new variants??
Sorry to say! Thats nonsense! Study a little bit about Virologie. Many variants appeared before any vaccine was given.
 

shittim

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Virus mutate, that is why you don't try to make a vaccine, let alone allow an evil little power hungry mad scientist to inject you with a proven to be dangerous gene altering concoction.
 
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Virus mutate, that is why you don't try to make a vaccine, let alone allow an evil little power hungry mad scientist to inject you with a proven to be dangerous gene altering concoction.
Go back a step, and ask them to prove how they know viruses exist. You'll find another naked emperor, as when you ask them to prove evolution.
 

ZNP

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Virus mutate, that is why you don't try to make a vaccine, let alone allow an evil little power hungry mad scientist to inject you with a proven to be dangerous gene altering concoction.
Excellent point. The Covid virus is a very rapidly mutating virus, this is why we have never had vaccines to the common cold before. However, it is also why the common cold is more of a nuisance than a health risk.

How ironic that Wolfwint would accuse those of us who are questioning this vaccine as not understanding vaccines.

1. If you understand how these viruses mutate using the principle of "survival of the fittest" you would have known the best way to deal with this virus would have been social distancing of 3 feet, not 6 feet, and taking your temperature at the door. Sneeze guards are also a good idea. It is incredible to me how many people who are saying "respect the science" don't understand this principle.

A viral infection will result in you producing millions, maybe even hundreds of millions of viruses all of which are slightly different. Some will be very virulent, others won't. If you keep everyone who is showing symptoms of a viral infection at home and away from everyone else it will favor the least virulent strains. However, you don't want to quarantine everyone, you want people to catch the least virulent strains because that will be like (only better) a "vaccine". If you get a less virulent strain like Omicron it will confer immunity. Even if it isn't 100% it does mean you will be better equipped to fight off similar strains in the future.

However, the other factor is "viral load". If someone who is very sick sneezes right in your face you could get hit with millions of viruses all at once. This is why you want to practice social distancing of 3 feet and sneeze guards. You want people exposed to the least virulent strains but with a very low viral load. The complete shutdowns did not aid in the "flattening of the curve" what it really did was weaken the immune system of the entire population. It would be like saying we have an epidemic of obesity so we want everyone to stay home and not go to the gym. Being exposed to others is a workout for our immune system.

2. Also, if those in charge really understood "vaccines" and Covid they would have known it was a fool's errand to try and rush out a vaccine. By the time you were administering the first doses this thing had spread completely around the world. It mutates with each person infected, so you had millions and millions of people who had been infected. Also, you knew that vaccinating people in the US would not impact slums in Brazil, South Africa, India, Mexico, etc.

Instead if you were interested in public health you would have emphasized HCQ, Ivermectin and antibodies for those who become sick. You would also focus on ways to boost your immune system: Exercise, sleep, taking your temperature, staying home if you have symptoms, Quercetin, Zinc, Vitamin D, etc.

3. Anyone who truly understands vaccines (as Wolfwint slanderously accuses those of us asking questions as not understanding) would understand that you don't take the drug companies word that "it is safe and effective" without proof and you can't possibly have that proof for at least twenty years. We have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccine are, but so far we have seen miscarriages, damage to the reproductive system and damage to the heart. Those are all short term. For every "safe and effective" vaccine that we have we also have at least two failed attempts.
 

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Ever wonder why all the mutations seem to begin in southern Africa?
 

wolfwint

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Excellent point. The Covid virus is a very rapidly mutating virus, this is why we have never had vaccines to the common cold before. However, it is also why the common cold is more of a nuisance than a health risk.

How ironic that Wolfwint would accuse those of us who are questioning this vaccine as not understanding vaccines.

1. If you understand how these viruses mutate using the principle of "survival of the fittest" you would have known the best way to deal with this virus would have been social distancing of 3 feet, not 6 feet, and taking your temperature at the door. Sneeze guards are also a good idea. It is incredible to me how many people who are saying "respect the science" don't understand this principle.

A viral infection will result in you producing millions, maybe even hundreds of millions of viruses all of which are slightly different. Some will be very virulent, others won't. If you keep everyone who is showing symptoms of a viral infection at home and away from everyone else it will favor the least virulent strains. However, you don't want to quarantine everyone, you want people to catch the least virulent strains because that will be like (only better) a "vaccine". If you get a less virulent strain like Omicron it will confer immunity. Even if it isn't 100% it does mean you will be better equipped to fight off similar strains in the future.

However, the other factor is "viral load". If someone who is very sick sneezes right in your face you could get hit with millions of viruses all at once. This is why you want to practice social distancing of 3 feet and sneeze guards. You want people exposed to the least virulent strains but with a very low viral load. The complete shutdowns did not aid in the "flattening of the curve" what it really did was weaken the immune system of the entire population. It would be like saying we have an epidemic of obesity so we want everyone to stay home and not go to the gym. Being exposed to others is a workout for our immune system.

2. Also, if those in charge really understood "vaccines" and Covid they would have known it was a fool's errand to try and rush out a vaccine. By the time you were administering the first doses this thing had spread completely around the world. It mutates with each person infected, so you had millions and millions of people who had been infected. Also, you knew that vaccinating people in the US would not impact slums in Brazil, South Africa, India, Mexico, etc.

Instead if you were interested in public health you would have emphasized HCQ, Ivermectin and antibodies for those who become sick. You would also focus on ways to boost your immune system: Exercise, sleep, taking your temperature, staying home if you have symptoms, Quercetin, Zinc, Vitamin D, etc.

3. Anyone who truly understands vaccines (as Wolfwint slanderously accuses those of us asking questions as not understanding) would understand that you don't take the drug companies word that "it is safe and effective" without proof and you can't possibly have that proof for at least twenty years. We have no idea what the long term effects of the vaccine are, but so far we have seen miscarriages, damage to the reproductive system and damage to the heart. Those are all short term. For every "safe and effective" vaccine that we have we also have at least two failed attempts.
Yes, there are reactions to the vaccine. Nobody denys that.
The rections to the virus are in compare to the vaccine more worse.
Thats why I cant understand your position. Also I cant understand that Christians spreading here lies and claime that more people died on the vaccine then on the virus.
There is no Single proof for that.
USA says to have 1.050.000 death because of the Virus. Show me the study that shows more then 1.050.000 death are because of the vaccine.
I know that in germany no study exists which tells that more people died because of the vaccine, then to the virus.
 

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I'm an anti-vaxxer. I don't believe there ever has been a genuine vaccine, which has left patients healthier than those who didn't get it. The covid-vaccine (although a bogus vaccine) does, in my view, give a good, fast-tracked view of what every vaccine has been doing - causing those who receive it to die, or become sicker, than those who didn't.

When you look at the studies, one will note they are very selective about who they choose to include, and focus on. Why? Are they so selective when they choose and include those who will receive the vaccines? If it were so, then that would be fine. But the problem is, they're not. They select a very small sample group for one particular set of ailments, then when they finally get the result they want, give the vaccine to all and sundry. They should have to publish the results of all studies, not just the successful ones. Doctors who have analysed the overall effects of vaccines (something that should have been done before vaccines were even mainstream) have found unvaccinated are significantly healthier.

If vaccines did not come with liability waivers for vaccine manufacturers, I doubt we would be plagued with them today.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/medi...xers-targeted-for-death-by-remdesivir-poison/
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This is the latest interview with an attorney who needs God's intervention to save lives.
His client was murdered by hospital staff while he was aware of it and called the police to help her.
This happens at VA hospitals and is now regular "treatment" protocol all over . The hospitals have murder squads, hit teams of assassins. They are called Medical Doctors and Nurses.
 

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"How ironic that Wolfwint would accuse those of us who are questioning this vaccine as not understanding vaccines."-

Every branch of the service knows each group of recruits will get sick in a few days, get over it and be fine, when you travel more than 200 miles you get exposed to virus' you don't have the optimum natural resistance to. Local honey is much more healthy than honey from China.
 

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"How ironic that Wolfwint would accuse those of us who are questioning this vaccine as not understanding vaccines."-

Every branch of the service knows each group of recruits will get sick in a few days, get over it and be fine, when you travel more than 200 miles you get exposed to virus' you don't have the optimum natural resistance to. Local honey is much more healthy than honey from China.
It's definitely more effective than the witches hocus pocus brew of ingredients soooo secret, we aren't allowed to know.
Thank God that samples were analyzed by labs not affiliated with the murder camps called hospitals.
 

shittim

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Thank you Health and Happiness, that was a great link.
blessings:unsure:(y):)
 

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Had the golden experience to work with USAF veteran, ran radar, spent 10+ years in Germany, F104 Starfighters were the plane, very unstable down on the deck at landing speeds, German pilot waved off twice as he was coming in way too fast, this runway had an obstruction at the end, pilot mouthed off as to how he had been to the US and graduated from the flight schools on this air craft. Came in the third time was waved off, he came in anyway and promptly died in the resulting crash.
It left my friend with the impression there was an endemic hardheadedness.