Anti-vaxxers are people too?

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Anti-vaxxers are people, too?

  • Anti-vaxxers are people, but as they are wrong, they should remain silent.

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  • Anti-vaxxers aren't people and will likely die of corona-virus (or monkey pox).

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wolfwint

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Something like that...

I am not saying that "man-made medicine" doesn't offer any effective solutions - I am saying that it is not the answer.

God's way is to feed the natural immune system He gave us through [purely] natural means.

If you are not using His approach, you are not [really] trusting Him.

Most people have been "tricked" (by Satan) into believing that "man's medicine" is better. It is not - never has been, never will be.

Pharmaceutical (man-made) "medicine" is nowhere even close to 'natural'. (It is "Satan's 'unnatural' way".)

If you are truly trusting God, then you are doing it naturally and not in a way that - at its base level - conflicts with the natural processes of the body.

Do you understand why all pharmaceutical drugs have side-effects? It is because the base-level building blocks of the drugs are things the body was not designed to process. This interferes with natural body processes and causes side-effects.

Do you know what those building blocks are and where they come from? They come from the leftover "waste product" of the oil distillation process.

That's right! Pharmaceutical drugs are made from bottom-of-the-barrel oil "sludge"...

Do some research.

Read the Bible.

Pay attention.

The Bible shows us (in the 'grammar of the language') that 'pharmaceuticals' is the 'sorcery' that Satan uses to "deceive the whole world"... (Revelation 12:9)

I believe it. Look around you...
Pardon my bible says in rev.12,9 nothing about pharmaceuticals. And for sure not that this is the ' sorcery' that Satan uses to " deceive the whole world".
Which bible you mean?
 

wolfwint

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I saw studies that showed HCQ was effective, and that Ivermectin was effective.

I listened to Dr. Zelensky who had treated thousands of people successfully including President Trump.

I have taken HCQ at least six times, and at least once I was very sick, even delirious, and went to bed. Next morning in all cases I felt fine. My wife has also done the same.

I have an orphanage in Kenya that I support with 78 kids most of whom are HIV positive. I sent them HCQ, Quercetin and Zinc and after a month they all felt much better, even the doctor was willing to say publicly that whatever we were giving them had helped tremendously as their weight, appetite and general health had all improved markedly.

I don't want to be rude, but Wolfwint, I have learned not to listen to you in anything, especially related to this issue. I am not interested in "convincing you" as far as I am concerned you have been warned, what you do with that is between you and the Lord. My main concern at this point is that you and others like you are not permitted to spread your disinformation unchallenged.

I am against censorship, against insults, but I am also strongly against allowing this narrative go unchallenged.

We post studies, advice from reputable doctors, and personal accounts and anecdotal accounts.
HIV is not covid!
Please believe what you want. But I am not shure that you believe the truth if you believe such conspiracy theorys which we can find on the sites of CC.
I spreading no disinformation.
I was not telling that more people died because of the vaccine then the Virus.
I was not telling that taking the vax is to be disobedient to God.
You say to take the vaccine is something what God dont want. If I interprete your writng correct. Otherwise you must not warn me.
What makes you so shure that your view is right?
 

gb9

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I did not call you so. Dont lay words in my mouth which I have never said.
all right, fair enough.

as far as vaccine side effects, there lots of doctors and medical professionals out there that do say the vax has caused lots of harm. just because the media will not show them and you might not have not heard them does not mean that they are wrong and are spreading mis-information .

beware of media and governments that are tied to big phrama saying that any who disagree with the " offical information" are " dangerous"
 

PennEd

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Thats why I cant understand your position. Also I cant understand that Christians spreading here lies and claime that more people died on the vaccine then on the virus.
You better check yourself before you start accusing the brethren of lies Mr.

It is widely recognized that only about 1% - 5% of people file a report to VAERS after an adverse reaction or death. It is a cumbersome and difficult process to fill out.

There has been at least 40,000 reported deaths to VAERS. So times that number 20 or 30 to give a somewhat accurate account of how many JUST Americans have been killed by the lethal injections.

And unfortunately, that number will continue to grow exponentially.
 

ZNP

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Another great example of how you are arrogantly spouting stuff without even understanding what you are talking about. The theory behind HCQ is that it is an oxidizer, it oxidizes all viruses, doesn't matter which ones. HIV is a virus, so is Covid.

Please believe what you want. But I am not shure that you believe the truth if you believe such conspiracy theorys which we can find on the sites of CC.
I spreading no disinformation.
I was not telling that more people died because of the vaccine then the Virus.
I was not telling that taking the vax is to be disobedient to God.
You say to take the vaccine is something what God dont want. If I interprete your writng correct. Otherwise you must not warn me.
What makes you so shure that your view is right?
Again your arrogance is off the charts. Let's look at what you have said:

wolfwint April 8, 2022 — “For to listen objective facts, you should consider both sides. If you compare the damages through the covid virus with the damages from the vaccine then to what result you will come? In germany f.e. every day around 200 till around 300 people dies because of the virus. Not so with the vaccine.” (Were Covid Vaccines created to kill and maim?, Post #12)


How do you know what will happen over the next 20 years? No vaccine has ever been mandated prior to this without at least a 20 year history that could be looked at. The reality is you are spouting your opinion without any basis in fact at all. You don't have 20 years of history supporting this vaccine. This thread and all others on this forum are not against you or anyone else volunteering to be a guinea pig to test out the vaccine, what we are concerned about is the mandates, preventing people from working, traveling or even shopping without a vaccine. You have no evidence that this is safe over the long term yet you continue to spout this disinformation.

Aidan1 Jan 5, 2022 Of course it works! (Post #417 Covid and the 1% death rate)

Again, what a joke. How do you know it works? You posted this in Jan 5, 2022. We didn't have widespread vaccinations until spring of 2021. You have no evidence at all that this is true.

Jan 5, 2022 (Post #422 Covid and the 1% death rate) Well, if their would be less variants it would be better, but the virus is not acting as it is wished. How we can expect that a vaccine which was createt in times of the alpha variant, works against delta, omikron and all those which maby come in Future? But its manytimes better then without vaccine!

Once again your hubris is exposed. "If there would be less variants"? How idiotic. We know that this virus mutates with each person and there were already millions of people who had gotten Covid by the time they started to work on a vaccine. This thing was around the world, in every country, and no one could possibly have thought that there wouldn't be many, many variants. "How can we expect the vaccine which was created in times of the alpha variant to work against delta" -- stunning. It takes six months to create a vaccine and then months to administer it. Everyone who understands vaccines and corona viruses knew you would be dealing with the delta variant by the time you had the vaccine ready. "But its many times better then without vaccine!" -- Again, disinformation. You don't know that. You don't know how many will get myocarditis from the vaccine because we don't have 20 years of studies, you don't know how many miscarriages, how many neurological disorders, how many will become sterilized. These are all adverse reactions to the vaccine. Who are you to tell me that getting the vaccine is better. Suppose I am a young woman who just got married and I want kids. How dare you tell me this without telling me the vaccine might cause me to be sterilized or to have a miscarriage.

Jan 6, 2022 (Post #461 Covid and the 1% death rate) Any serious proof, for your claimes?

Exactly, you claim the vaccine is better but have no serious proof. It is impossible to have serious proof. This is why you are a buffoon.
 

ZNP

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Another great example of how you are arrogantly spouting stuff without even understanding what you are talking about. The theory behind HCQ is that it is an oxidizer, it oxidizes all viruses, doesn't matter which ones. HIV is a virus, so is Covid.


Again your arrogance is off the charts. Let's look at what you have said:

wolfwint April 8, 2022 — “For to listen objective facts, you should consider both sides. If you compare the damages through the covid virus with the damages from the vaccine then to what result you will come? In germany f.e. every day around 200 till around 300 people dies because of the virus. Not so with the vaccine.” (Were Covid Vaccines created to kill and maim?, Post #12)

How do you know what will happen over the next 20 years? No vaccine has ever been mandated prior to this without at least a 20 year history that could be looked at. The reality is you are spouting your opinion without any basis in fact at all. You don't have 20 years of history supporting this vaccine. This thread and all others on this forum are not against you or anyone else volunteering to be a guinea pig to test out the vaccine, what we are concerned about is the mandates, preventing people from working, traveling or even shopping without a vaccine. You have no evidence that this is safe over the long term yet you continue to spout this disinformation.

Aidan1 Jan 5, 2022 Of course it works! (Post #417 Covid and the 1% death rate)

Again, what a joke. How do you know it works? You posted this in Jan 5, 2022. We didn't have widespread vaccinations until spring of 2021. You have no evidence at all that this is true.

Jan 5, 2022 (Post #422 Covid and the 1% death rate) Well, if their would be less variants it would be better, but the virus is not acting as it is wished. How we can expect that a vaccine which was createt in times of the alpha variant, works against delta, omikron and all those which maby come in Future? But its manytimes better then without vaccine!

Once again your hubris is exposed. "If there would be less variants"? How idiotic. We know that this virus mutates with each person and there were already millions of people who had gotten Covid by the time they started to work on a vaccine. This thing was around the world, in every country, and no one could possibly have thought that there wouldn't be many, many variants. "How can we expect the vaccine which was created in times of the alpha variant to work against delta" -- stunning. It takes six months to create a vaccine and then months to administer it. Everyone who understands vaccines and corona viruses knew you would be dealing with the delta variant by the time you had the vaccine ready. "But its many times better then without vaccine!" -- Again, disinformation. You don't know that. You don't know how many will get myocarditis from the vaccine because we don't have 20 years of studies, you don't know how many miscarriages, how many neurological disorders, how many will become sterilized. These are all adverse reactions to the vaccine. Who are you to tell me that getting the vaccine is better. Suppose I am a young woman who just got married and I want kids. How dare you tell me this without telling me the vaccine might cause me to be sterilized or to have a miscarriage.

Jan 6, 2022 (Post #461 Covid and the 1% death rate) Any serious proof, for your claimes?

Exactly, you claim the vaccine is better but have no serious proof. It is impossible to have serious proof. This is why you are a buffoon.
It is such an outrage, these ones proclaiming to be "health professionals" as though that gave them special status and then telling everyone who is asking questions "where is your proof". You know why we didn't have proof a year ago, because no one had any proof that the vaccine worked, or that it was safe.

They are supposed to provide proof to us that it works and instead they turn it around and demand proof that it doesn't. it is outrageous. In the end what is the proof that it doesn't work? Dead kids, miscarriages, Myocarditis.
 

wolfwint

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all right, fair enough.

as far as vaccine side effects, there lots of doctors and medical professionals out there that do say the vax has caused lots of harm. just because the media will not show them and you might not have not heard them does not mean that they are wrong and are spreading mis-information .

beware of media and governments that are tied to big phrama saying that any who disagree with the " offical information" are " dangerous"
In germany it is different. Media print and TV reporting about side effects from the vaccine as well from the virus. And they public it very critical, without softwashing. But still the effects with people which are unvaccined are more serious then those which are vaccined.
 

ZNP

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In germany it is different. Media print and TV reporting about side effects from the vaccine as well from the virus. And they public it very critical, without softwashing. But still the effects with people which are unvaccined are more serious then those which are vaccined.
OK, what has Germany published concerning the effects on people 5-20 years after being vaccinated? What are the long term effects?

You claimed the vaccine is many times better than not being vaccinated. Where is your proof to this claim.

Particularly for a kid who is 10 years old.

Also I want to know how it is many times better for the professional athlete who was extremely healthy, had little to no risk from Covid and yet was forced to get vaccinated or lose his job and then died from myocarditis or can no longer compete because of their adverse reaction to the vaccine. How is it "many times better" for that person?
 

wolfwint

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It is such an outrage, these ones proclaiming to be "health professionals" as though that gave them special status and then telling everyone who is asking questions "where is your proof". You know why we didn't have proof a year ago, because no one had any proof that the vaccine worked, or that it was safe.

They are supposed to provide proof to us that it works and instead they turn it around and demand proof that it doesn't. it is outrageous. In the end what is the proof that it doesn't work? Dead kids, miscarriages, Myocarditis.
The virus cause much more about this effects and more serious then the vaccine.
Nobody claimes here that the vaccine has no side effects and for some very serious and deadly.
But nothing in compare what the virus causes.
 

wolfwint

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You better check yourself before you start accusing the brethren of lies Mr.

It is widely recognized that only about 1% - 5% of people file a report to VAERS after an adverse reaction or death. It is a cumbersome and difficult process to fill out.

There has been at least 40,000 reported deaths to VAERS. So times that number 20 or 30 to give a somewhat accurate account of how many JUST Americans have been killed by the lethal injections.

And unfortunately, that number will continue to grow exponentially.
Why you only have your eyes on the vaccine, but not the virus itself.? 1.050.000 death because of the virus in the USA speaks for it self.
 

ZNP

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The virus cause much more about this effects and more serious then the vaccine.
Nobody claimes here that the vaccine has no side effects and for some very serious and deadly.
But nothing in compare what the virus causes.
Proof, where is your proof.

I want to know what are the long term effects from the vaccine?

Over the next 20 years what are the risks to kids, teenagers and young healthy people in their twenties? This is the only way I can determine if Covid is "much worse". These are populations who were mandated to get the vaccine or lose their job, get kicked out of school. lose their tuition. So give us the proof. What is the risk to these people over the next twenty years?
 

ZNP

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Why you only have your eyes on the vaccine, but not the virus itself.? 1.050.000 death because of the virus in the USA speaks for it self.
By the time the vaccine came out many of us had already had Covid, and if you didn't actually get sick from it you were almost certainly exposed to it. They were vaccinating people for the alpha variant when we had the delta variant and the vaccine did not protect you from that. Also because it was mandated. You don't know if it will work (it doesn't) you don't know if it is safe (it isn't) and now your claim is that it kills fewer people than Covid.

Really? Fewer healthy 5 year olds? How many Elementary school kids died from Covid? Why are they being mandated? How many elite athletes died from Covid? Maybe if you have cancer and you are 70 years old the risk of Covid is greater than the vaccine, but why does everyone else have to be mandated?

The King Cobra kills fewer people than the inland Taipan. So what, that is not a reason to get bit by the King Cobra.
 

GaryA

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Why you only have your eyes on the vaccine, but not the virus itself.? 1.050.000 death because of the virus in the USA speaks for it self.
To my knowledge, I have never seen:

1) proof of the number of virus-associated deaths officially reported (far more reported than actual)

2) proof that the virus itself actually caused death (apart from comorbidities which were the actual cause)

The regular flu mysteriously [virtually] disappeared [completely] when "covid" appeared on the scene - this is very significant!
 

ZNP

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To my knowledge, I have never seen:

1) proof of the number of virus-associated deaths officially reported (far more reported than actual)

2) proof that the virus itself actually caused death (apart from comorbidities which were the actual cause)

The regular flu mysteriously [virtually] disappeared [completely] when covid appeared on the scene - this is very significant!
Just because the person died in a car crash doesn't mean that Covid didn't kill them. Suppose they sneezed and that caused the accident that killed them.
 

ZNP

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Look at this scary pandemic

11:37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

Mortality risk for US and other developed nations is about 1%

1918 Flu — 2-3%

SARS — 15%

MERS — 34%

Ebola — 50%

Black Plague -- 60% mortality rate in some cities.

Now let’s look a little closer at who really dies.


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Now as you probably know we didn't get rid of the black plague until we had a vaccine, right? Nope.

But at least we have a vaccine for Ebola, thank God! Nope.

MERS? SARS? 1918 Flu? No, no and no.

In every case we have a "pandemic" because of unclean health practices. Clean those up and the "epidemic" goes away. The virus doesn't go away, but it is now mutating to a less virulent strain.

They mandated a vaccine for people 0-29 who had close to 0 risk of dying from the disease.
 

GaryA

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Just because the person died in a car crash doesn't mean that Covid didn't kill them. Suppose they sneezed and that caused the accident that killed them.
Of course - because - we now know that - since the end of 2019 (for some strange reason) - anytime someone coughs or sneezes - that means they have covid and they are spreading it.




:rolleyes:
 

ZNP

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Of course - because - we now know that - since the end of 2019 (for some strange reason) - anytime someone coughs or sneezes - that means they have covid and they are spreading it.




:rolleyes:
Yes, it was the miracle of 2020, everyone prayed that no one would die from the flu but they forgot to pray about Covid so it was the year when we had no deaths from the Flu.
 

GaryA

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In every case we have a "pandemic" because of unclean health practices. Clean those up and the "epidemic" goes away. The virus doesn't go away, but it is now mutating to a less virulent strain.
And, the covid jab is the epitome of unclean health practices - injecting a deadly concoction directly into people...
 

PennEd

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Why you only have your eyes on the vaccine, but not the virus itself.? 1.050.000 death because of the virus in the USA speaks for it self.
Like talking to a wall.

The vaccine DOESN’T work! So even ONE death from it is too many for that reason.

Why can’t your brain understand that simple fact?

Also, most of the deaths attributed to Covid are from people who died WITH Covid, NOT from Covid.
 

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