5 Red Heifers, ritually pure, have been delivered

[ZNP]

You sound like the sodomites and isolators of this world. Of coarse we are to call sin, sin and wickedness, wicked. If not we would have to stop preaching against sin, then we would have to throw out the bulk of the new testament. The apostles wrote extensively against sin and against judaizers.
Sacrificing animals is no longer acceptable. Jesus is the final sacrifice. To sacrifice an animal is blasphemy against Christ.

Wow, so the sin of the Sodomites is they were making too many sacrifices to God?

You sound unstable and irrational.

Get to the point, if sacrificing an animal is blasphemy against Christ, then eating chicken or beef is blasphemy because all those animals were sacrificed.

What is blasphemy is to trample the blood of Christ. What is blasphemy is to deny the work that Jesus did on the cross. You think these 5 animals are the first case of that? The only case of that? Maybe they will be the last straw. Perhaps that is the point, the temple will be built and AntiChrist will set himself up in there as the ultimate and final straw that brings judgment on the earth.

Fine, but the Lord said this would happen, this thread is pointing out that this prophecy is being fulfilled and it also proves the tribulation is about to start. Many believers have said "tribulation can't start until Israel rebuilds their temple". That isn't true, the tribulation starts with the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many that allows the Jews to rebuild. So you could argue that the tribulation can't start until next week because that is when the UN is back in session and could confirm such an agreement. OK, I would agree with that.

But you comparing me to Sodom and Gomorrah, interestingly that also is a fulfillment of prophecy. Revelation says that the accuser of the brethren is cast down who accused them night and day. Yep, I can look at the time on many of the accusatory posts on this thread and they were in fact made both night and day. It says they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony. Yep, I have been redeemed by the blood, washed by the blood of Jesus and it cleanses me from all sins and yes, this word here is my testimony. So yes, this thread is all about the word of God being fulfilled that tells us the tribulation is about to start (next week at the earliest if you prefer).

 

[Dirtman]

Wow, so the sin of the Sodomites is they were making too many sacrifices to God?

You sound unstable and irrational.

Get to the point, if sacrificing an animal is blasphemy against Christ, then eating chicken or beef is blasphemy because all those animals were sacrificed.

What is blasphemy is to trample the blood of Christ. What is blasphemy is to deny the work that Jesus did on the cross. You think these 5 animals are the first case of that? The only case of that? Maybe they will be the last straw. Perhaps that is the point, the temple will be built and AntiChrist will set himself up in there as the ultimate and final straw that brings judgment on the earth.

Fine, but the Lord said this would happen, this thread is pointing out that this prophecy is being fulfilled and it also proves the tribulation is about to start. Many believers have said "tribulation can't start until Israel rebuilds their temple". That isn't true, the tribulation starts with the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many that allows the Jews to rebuild. So you could argue that the tribulation can't start until next week because that is when the UN is back in session and could confirm such an agreement. OK, I would agree with that.

But you comparing me to Sodom and Gomorrah, interestingly that also is a fulfillment of prophecy. Revelation says that the accuser of the brethren is cast down who accused them night and day. Yep, I can look at the time on many of the accusatory posts on this thread and they were in fact made both night and day. It says they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony. Yep, I have been redeemed by the blood, washed by the blood of Jesus and it cleanses me from all sins and yes, this word here is my testimony. So yes, this thread is all about the word of God being fulfilled that tells us the tribulation is about to start (next week at the earliest if you prefer).

The call of the sodomites and idolators of the world is " dont judge, Jesus said don't judge". They abuse scripture so they arent convicted of their sin.

 

[Dirtman]

Get to the point, if sacrificing an animal is blasphemy against Christ, then eating chicken or beef is blasphemy because all those animals were sacrificed

Tyson dont have a temple and they dont perform religious ceremonies.

 

[Beckie]

That is your opinion. My opinion is that I am to do all unto the glory of God.



No I'm not. You are making stuff up. I see prophecies being fulfilled about Gog and Magog, doesn't mean I don't also see the church. I see prophecies being fulfilled about the mark of the beast and the judgement on the Great Babylon, doesn't mean I don't see the church.

You are very judgemental. I am simply pointing out that prophecies are being fulfilled, God's word is being fulfilled, Jesus word that He spoke 2,000 years ago is being fulfilled and there is nothing Satan can do about it. Yes, it indicates that his time is short and sure he may get bent out of shape about it and start slandering the saints and accusing them of all sorts of things, but all of this is to the glory of God.

Just as the Jewish leaders 2000 years ago miss Jesus so are you. Dispensationalism has been a scourge to the Body Of Christ. Did i make up you are hoping for a calf that for its blood to be shed?

 

[Dirtman]

Wow, so the sin of the Sodomites is they were making too many sacrifices to God?

You sound unstable and irrational.

Get to the point, if sacrificing an animal is blasphemy against Christ, then eating chicken or beef is blasphemy because all those animals were sacrificed.

What is blasphemy is to trample the blood of Christ. What is blasphemy is to deny the work that Jesus did on the cross. You think these 5 animals are the first case of that? The only case of that? Maybe they will be the last straw. Perhaps that is the point, the temple will be built and AntiChrist will set himself up in there as the ultimate and final straw that brings judgment on the earth.

Fine, but the Lord said this would happen, this thread is pointing out that this prophecy is being fulfilled and it also proves the tribulation is about to start. Many believers have said "tribulation can't start until Israel rebuilds their temple". That isn't true, the tribulation starts with the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many that allows the Jews to rebuild. So you could argue that the tribulation can't start until next week because that is when the UN is back in session and could confirm such an agreement. OK, I would agree with that.

But you comparing me to Sodom and Gomorrah, interestingly that also is a fulfillment of prophecy. Revelation says that the accuser of the brethren is cast down who accused them night and day. Yep, I can look at the time on many of the accusatory posts on this thread and they were in fact made both night and day. It says they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony. Yep, I have been redeemed by the blood, washed by the blood of Jesus and it cleanses me from all sins and yes, this word here is my testimony. So yes, this thread is all about the word of God being fulfilled that tells us the tribulation is about to start (next week at the earliest if you prefer).

You twist what I say as well as the scriptures.
And you justify men who are attempting to usurp Christ, by rebuilding the the temple and reinstitute the animal sacrifices.
You use lies to justify it, saying that the killing of animals for food is equal to ritual religious animal sacrifice.
And you accuse the brethren ( and a sister) who call these plans evil of being in false judgement.

 

[Dirtman]

Just as the Jewish leaders 2000 years ago miss Jesus so are you. Dispensationalism has been a scourge to the Body Of Christ. Did i make up you are hoping for a calf that for its blood to be shed?

You are correct to call out the horrific sin that reinstituting the animal sacrifices is. Such men who relish in this abomination are sick, as you states earlier. The desire to see men and women blaspheme Jesus and trample his blood under foot by returning to animal sacrifices is sadistic and evil. And knowing that many weak and deceived christians will participate in this and bring judgement upon themselves, we must call it out for the evil that it is.

 

[persistent]

It is a fulfillment of prophecy.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.

I have got to talk to the IoG teacher about this scripture.

 

[ZNP]

Just as the Jewish leaders 2000 years ago miss Jesus so are you. Dispensationalism has been a scourge to the Body Of Christ. Did i make up you are hoping for a calf that for its blood to be shed?

I'm sorry where did i say that I was going to get a calf to be shed for my salvation. Stop lying about Christians. This is despicable.

 

[ZNP]

You twist what I say as well as the scriptures.
And you justify men who are attempting to usurp Christ, by rebuilding the the temple and reinstitute the animal sacrifices.
You use lies to justify it, saying that the killing of animals for food is equal to ritual religious animal sacrifice.
And you accuse the brethren ( and a sister) who call these plans evil of being in false judgement.

Where did I justify anyone? I am not a judge.

However you seem to think you are a judge.

 

[ZNP]

You twist what I say as well as the scriptures.
And you justify men who are attempting to usurp Christ, by rebuilding the the temple and reinstitute the animal sacrifices.
You use lies to justify it, saying that the killing of animals for food is equal to ritual religious animal sacrifice.
And you accuse the brethren ( and a sister) who call these plans evil of being in false judgement.

No, I didn't. This is a lie.

 

[Beckie]

You are correct to call out the horrific sin that reinstituting the animal sacrifices is. Such men who relish in this abomination are sick, as you states earlier. The desire to see men and women blaspheme Jesus and trample his blood under foot by returning to animal sacrifices is sadistic and evil. And knowing that many weak and deceived christians will participate in this and bring judgement upon themselves, we must call it out for the evil that it is.

It breaks my hart to read such delusion . 2000 years ago His style of Kingship was scorned . Men wanted then and still do today a king to be what 'they' suppose a king should be, rejecting Thee King God sent. How can anyone who loves the Lord not see the insult the spit in the face of God . God sent the perfect Lamb said it is finished.
Thank you for the support of this message.

 

[ZNP]

I have got to talk to the IoG teacher about this scripture.

I would pray first and I would not advise that. However, if you feel a need to speak truth to them I would put it in writing, get others to help you with that.

 

[Beckie]

I'm sorry where did i say that I was going to get a calf to be shed for my salvation. Stop lying about Christians. This is despicable.

I said you are looking for a calf to shed her blood i did not mention the word salvation now you tell me who is lying?

 

[ZNP]

It breaks my hart to read such delusion . 2000 years ago His style of Kingship was scorned . Men wanted then and still do today a king to be what 'they' suppose a king should be, rejecting Thee King God sent. How can anyone who loves the Lord not see the insult the spit in the face of God . God sent the perfect Lamb said it is finished.
Thank you for the support of this message.

Of course we see the insult. Antichrist is an insult. The beast is an insult. The whore of Babylon is an insult. The US becoming the great babylon is an insult. However, Jesus allows the world to make their choice and that will be the basis for their judgment.

What I see is the fulfillment of prophecy, the end of the age, and the Lord's kingdom.

 

[ZNP]

I said you are looking for a calf to shed her blood i did not mention the word salvation now you tell me who is lying?

I pointed out that these 5 calfs are being sent to Israel for a sacrifice so that they can rebuild the temple.

That is the news, it is a fact.

You decided to take my pointing out that this is a fulfillment of Jesus prophecy and the prophecies of the New Testament as evidence that I in some way condone animal sacrifices as something that was not done away with at the time Jesus was crucified. You are the one putting words in my mouth.

The only way 5 calfs being sacrificed is "blasphemy" which is the word being thrown around either by you or by dirtman or by both is if you think this blood is still needed to sanctify the temple.

That is certainly what the orthodox Jews believe who have sent for these five calves. That is not what I have said. So again, you are putting words into my mouth and then accusing me of blasphemy, or at the very least your posts are supporting those who are accusing me of blasphemy.

 

[Dirtman]

I have got to talk to the IoG teacher about this scripture.

That is a part of a much larger passage; posted out of context. That passage is about the coming of Jesus and the end of the sacrifices and how will Israel will be scattered after. The complete passage and context is:
Therefore the Lord God of hosts, the Lord, says this: “There shall be wailing in all streets, And they shall say in all the highways, ‘Alas! Alas!’ They shall call the farmer to mourning, And skillful lamenters to wailing. In all vineyards there shall be wailing, For I will pass through you,” Says the Lord. Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, And a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, Leaned his hand on the wall, And a serpent bit him! Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it? “I hate, I despise your feast days, And I do not savor your sacred assemblies. Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, Nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. Take away from Me the noise of your songs, For I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream. “Did you offer Me sacrifices and offerings In the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? You also carried Sikkuth your king And Chiun, your idols, The star of your gods, Which you made for yourselves. Therefore I will send you into captivity beyond Damascus,” Says the Lord, whose name is the God of hosts.
Amos 5:16‭-‬27 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/amo.5.16-27.NKJV

 

[Dirtman]

Where did I justify anyone? I am not a judge.

However you seem to think you are a judge.

Calling evil out as evil is not judgement.

 

[Beckie]

I pointed out that these 5 calfs are being sent to Israel for a sacrifice so that they can rebuild the temple.

That is the news, it is a fact.

You decided to take my pointing out that this is a fulfillment of Jesus prophecy and the prophecies of the New Testament as evidence that I in some way condone animal sacrifices as something that was not done away with at the time Jesus was crucified. You are the one putting words in my mouth.

The only way 5 calfs being sacrificed is "blasphemy" which is the word being thrown around either by you or by dirtman or by both is if you think this blood is still needed to sanctify the temple.

That is certainly what the orthodox Jews believe who have sent for these five calves. That is not what I have said. So again, you are putting words into my mouth and then accusing me of blasphemy, or at the very least your posts are supporting those who are accusing me of blasphemy.

Again you judged me as a liar .

I'm sorry where did i say that I was going to get a calf to be shed for my salvation. Stop lying about Christians. This is despicable.

I am asking you to back up your claim, knowing you can not. .The you go on to tell me what i think ( if you think this blood is still needed to sanctify the temple.) which is not what i think. So absorbed into things of men such sad delusion. You judged me to be a liar post your evidence.

 

[Dirtman]

The only way 5 calfs being sacrificed is "blasphemy" which is the word being thrown around either by you or by dirtman or by both is if you think this blood is still needed to sanctify the temple.

This is backward. There will be no sanctification of the temple and the sacrifice of an animal in attempt to do so is blasphemy. It is against Christ and his atoning sacrifice, His blood spilled to sanctify his temple which is in his church.
It is blasphemy to think it is needed or that it can sanctify.

 

[persistent]

I would pray first and I would not advise that. However, if you feel a need to speak truth to them I would put it in writing, get others to help you with that.

Though the teacher and I are just a few miles apart we only communicate by phone and he is always ready to discuss any Bible verse. Only thing that gets me is that he only likes KJV. I asked him if he was aware that the KJV translators "supposedly' referenced Kimhi aka RaDaK? Sort of disquieted him. My feeling is that God is working with these folks but I think these verses apply here Romans 1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.