Catholic Church Is Not Of God

[Cleante]

I attended a Catholic School, so at least i should know what you call Mary when you pray the Angelus or whatever it is called!..

Now does your thread change the fact that the practices of the Catholic are NOT just ACCEPTABLE!

Or, you just don't understand the theology of the Roman Catholic Church...? I read your first post and it was dreadful. Did you really attend a Catholic School? Do you know the meaning of Holy, that is the Greek word Agios? Do you know the Council of Nicea and the reason why Mary is called the Theotokos, Mother of God? How can Mary only be the Mother of the Human Jesus if Jesus Christ is fully God AND fully Man?

I'm not defending the Roman Catholic Church. I'm merely saying that you don't know as much as you claim to know.

 

[process_architect]

How dare Catholics call themselves "Christian"! A better term would be "Maryians" or "Popians".

Catholics/Satan's deceived, answer me this:
You call the pope "Father" when Christ himself said "call no man father but me" - Matt 23:9? Why?
You pray to Mary and confess sins to the pope for forgiveness when Christ said "no man comes to the Father but through me" - John 14:6? Why?

Let's look at this through the eyes of Satan for a second. You are the angel of light and the ultimate deceiver. You can take things that seem so innocent and make them so bad. So if you hated God what would be the best way to spite him? To take His words and twist them to make them seem so good, when in reality they are so far from the truth.

Open your eyes.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I think it is important to mention the Mass or Catholic ceremony that replaces communion. Catholics believe that when you take Mass you get good points for salvation. They also teach that people in Purgatory (a place of suffering for sins) will spend less time there. Catholics are known to pray for dead people. They have alot of teachings that are not in the Bible. It is also important to know that Catholics teachings change over time, (unlike the Bible). Protestants believe the Bible is God's Word and does not change; Catholics believe in traditions and Popes. An example: The Catholic Church used to only be in Latin, no one was allowed to have service if it wasn't in Latin. Now the Catholic Church allows services to be in any language. The problem is they believe that these traditions are as important as the Bible and they change over time.

1. I don't think that the Catholic Church has the traditions of the New Testament Church because their traditions change with different Popes and times.

 

[kujo313]

Dear Tobby17,
The Catholic Church was founded by God. What is the Catholic Church? It is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? What is the true Catholic Church? The Orthodox Church. The Church that confessed the Nicene Creed of the Second Ecumenical Council of 381 AD without the Filioque. As for the Virgin Mary, she was holy. Scripture says, "All generations shall call be blessed." How could she not be holy, if she was called blessed?
Scripture does not say she sinned. It merely says she was a sinner. All people are sinners, whether they sin are not. People are born with the knowledge of good and evil, and that is the ancestral sin: the knowledge of good and evil, in disobedience of God.
Mary was born with sin, and mortal. She needed to be saved by Christ her Son. She, however, resisted temptation, and chose not to commit sins. She obeyed her Son, Jesus Christ. She is blameless. God the Son does have a mother. If Jesus Christ doesn't have mother, He wasn't born of a virgin, and Isaiah 7:14 is false. The term Mother of God doesn't mean that Mary was the mother of the Divinity of Christ. It means that Mary's Son is God. To deny the term Mother of God is to deny that Jesus Christ is God. The Third Council , the Third Ecumenical Council, of Ephesus, 431 AD, rightly declared that Mary is the Theotokos, the God-bearer, the Mother of God. To deny this is to reject Jesus Christ, for to reject Christ's Church is to reject Jesus Christ Himself. To try to interpret the Bible by oneself, according to one's own personal rational powers of reasoning and interpretation is to defy God and defy Scripture, as St. Peter tells us that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. Protestantism disagrees, and wrongly believes in the supposed "right" of every individual person to read and to interpret the Bible "for himself". Thus, we have some 30,000 different private interpretations of the Bible, all contradicting each others, and some leading to damnable heresies, such as Unitarianism,
as in the thread in this CC forum, "Why I am a Biblical Unitarian". Q.v.
Protestantism is skepticism, humanism, nominalism, and rationalism, and the heresy of solafideism and solascripturism.
It is false interpretation of the Bible. As such, we reject it with honor, and are glad God has delivered us from the Filioquism of the Protestants and the Catholics. Amen. God have mercy on us.
In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

People in America today can argue about what the Founding Fathers wanted for the people. Christianity was, and still is, evident in many places. Bibles were used as text books in schools and the government provided them.
The Founding Fathers saw Jesus as important to this country and the Bible as a foundation for its laws.

Christianity? Jesus laid the foundation. It is written in red letters. Some of his direct disciples wrote letters and responded to letters.

Deny Mary? Why focus on her?? It's GOD through Jesus! Jesus even SAID SO!

"to deny Mary is to deny Jesus"?? No. To deny Jesus is to deny God. If we believe in God, then we should believe in the Son.

Those red letters really say enough.

 

[kujo313]

Showing Bible and historical Truth to a devout catholic is like showing truth to a Muslim or atheist.

Both have their minds set and won't believe the grass is green even if you showed it to them.

Pray for them before it's too late. After that, just SHOW them through you!

 

[Katy-follower]

I think the Catholic Church is as much from God as any other church. There are no perfect churches, I don’t believe.

The Catholic churches teach false doctrines (as I now others also do). Anyone that teaches false doctrines is a false prophet. God said so himself. The bible warns us of what to look out for.

The church of God (the church=the people) are those who follow the BIBLE which is the word of GOD and NOT the word of MAN.... those who have asked Christ into their lives and to forgive their sins.... they have become born again and have eternal life.

This is all that is required of us - no sacrifice, no traditions, no purgatory, no penance, no relying on the priest or pastor, no Eucharist, nothing - all that is required is what I have mentioned - confessing sins, asking Christ into your life (in the privacy of your own room) and reading the BIBLE, which is the word of God. Everything you need is in the bible - what has happened in the past, what's happening now, what is happening in the future - if you just read it you will see everything he warns us of - false prophets deceiving, etc. To those of us who read it, we have the knowledge of what to expect at the end of times and what and who not to believe. It's all there for us to read.

 

[Katy-follower]

Having faith in Christ - a personal relationship with him through prayer - you just cannot go wrong! You cannot have faith in Christ as well as faith in the traditions and works of the Catholic church - it's one or the other! He wants you to have faith in him and not in man or worldly things.

I choose God!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tobby17]

Amen. GOD bless you all!

I really hope the eyes of the Catholics will be opened for their own sake

 

[catholic123]

The catholics can attack me all they want after seeing this and they can do even much more. But everything i write here today is TRUE!.. I believe that the Catholic Church is evil. As a matter of fact is Idolatory..

Do not follow their doctrine

That you should pray with the image of Jesus or Mary. As this will be equal to making grave images which God has already warned us against ( Exodus 20:4-5)

That you should call on Mary and the dead saints to intercede on your behalf in prayer. It is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who intercedes on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:26)....

Moreover the chain of the cross of Jesus Christ you keep carrying around will not Protect you.. Jesus Christ is no longer dead, He is alive and on the right side of his father, Now in a glorified form (Act 7:55-56).

The ridiculous prayer where they say *Holy Mary, full of grace*.. Wait A Min, Mary was never Holy!.Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

*Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners*, What?, did i just hear you say Mother of God??.. Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

Stay away from any doctrine that will lead you to HELL!... You were warned, don't say you weren't

In response to praying with images, the images aren't used as they themselves are the god. They are simply physical reminders of that which we cannot see. We have five senses given to us by God, and we can use these senses to help us in lives of faith. We use the images of Jesus and the saints to be physical reminders. I will agree with you, that praying TO and image would be wrong. But the prayers are to what is represented in the picture not to the picture itself. In response to praying to the saints and Mary, we can see that the saints offer God our prayers. In Revelation 5:8, saints are described in heaven offering "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." So if the saints are offering our prayers, then they can clearly hear us. You are right in saying Christ is the one mediator between God and man because He is the only one to be both fully God and fully Human. But what we are doing when pray to the saints is exactly the same as asking someone to pray for us. We only go to Jesus to reach the Father, but we also want as many people praying for us as possible. We simply ask the saints to pray for us. "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4) So clearly intercessory prayers offered by Christians for other Christian, including saints offering intercessory prayers for us, is "pleasing to God our Savior." To the crucifix comment, truly Christ has risen, however we must always remember that sacrifice He made for us. In wearing the crucifix, we aren't binding Christ to the cross, but reminding ourselves of the image of true love, and of the love Christ has for all of us. I hope this can help you a little bit. I would like to say that I say all of this with complete compassion and love for all of you my Christian brothers and sisters. I simply wold like to participate in this needed dialogue.

 

[Hearer]

The catholics can attack me all they want after seeing this and they can do even much more. But everything i write here today is TRUE!.. I believe that the Catholic Church is evil. As a matter of fact is Idolatory..

Do not follow their doctrine

That you should pray with the image of Jesus or Mary. As this will be equal to making grave images which God has already warned us against ( Exodus 20:4-5)

That you should call on Mary and the dead saints to intercede on your behalf in prayer. It is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who intercedes on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:26)....

Moreover the chain of the cross of Jesus Christ you keep carrying around will not Protect you.. Jesus Christ is no longer dead, He is alive and on the right side of his father, Now in a glorified form (Act 7:55-56).

The ridiculous prayer where they say *Holy Mary, full of grace*.. Wait A Min, Mary was never Holy!.Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

*Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners*, What?, did i just hear you say Mother of God??.. Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

Stay away from any doctrine that will lead you to HELL!... You were warned, don't say you weren't

The greeting is "hail mary" not "holy mary" hail means "hello".

the greeting is biblical, said by elisabeth John's mother who was filled with the Holy Spiirit:

Luke 1: 41-43

41 and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit;

42 and she lifted up her voice with a loud cry, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come unto me?

 

[Hearer]

also....

Luke 1:28-30

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

 

[Benjamin777]

Dear Tobby17,
I admire your courage, but you are mislead. First, about the grave images...in the old testament, God commanded that they raise up a bronze serpent to heal those who had been bitten.
Jesus talked to "dead saints" during the Transfiguration, and who said that saints are dead if they are in heaven?
The cross is a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice for us. If you do not recognize the death of Jesus, you cannot recognize the resurrection, for only with dying, could Jesus have risen.
The angel greeted Mary with, "Hail oh favored one!" This 'ridiculous' prayer is straight from an angel, and I am not one to argue with angels. The fact that she needed a savior doesn't mean she sinned. There are two ways from saving people from falling into a mud puddle. One, is to pull them out, like Jesus does with us. The other is to prevent that person from falling into it, like Mary, or Jesus for that matter. Sure, the fact that Mary was perfect wasn't in the Bible. We know this from sacred tradition. This was passed down from us via the Apostles. Sola Scriptora, which is what you are basing your argument off of, is only half of the whole picture. We need the Apostles words passed down from us to get the entire picture. If God can work through the writings of men to create the Bible, then he can also work through their actions and their tradition.
Your argument on the Council of Nicea is separating Jesus divinity from his humanity. You are making it seem as if they are competing. That is the same thing that Arius did when he said that 'anything that came from something had to be less than that thing.' His argument implies that Jesus was less than the Father. Which was wrong, because we believe that Jesus and God are one in the same, hence the trinity. Which means, that Mary being the mother of Jesus, would also make her the mother of God. You cannot separate Jesus into two parts. Queen of Heaven comes from the imagery in Revelation 12. Also, from the comparison to the Old Testament, where Bathsheba was Solomon's Queen Mother. The Queen was always the mother of the king because there were multiple wives. Jesus restored the Old testament kingdom and therefore restored the role of the queen in His kingdom. Besides, he would follow his own commandment of honoring His father and mother. Which would certainly raise Mary to a status other than someone who would lead people to hell. To think that Jesus would not honor her and allow her to lead people to hell is quite comical.

 

[Hearer]

I think it is important to mention the Mass or Catholic ceremony that replaces communion. Catholics believe that when you take Mass you get good points for salvation. They also teach that people in Purgatory (a place of suffering for sins) will spend less time there. Catholics are known to pray for dead people. They have alot of teachings that are not in the Bible. It is also important to know that Catholics teachings change over time, (unlike the Bible). Protestants believe the Bible is God's Word and does not change; Catholics believe in traditions and Popes. An example: The Catholic Church used to only be in Latin, no one was allowed to have service if it wasn't in Latin. Now the Catholic Church allows services to be in any language. The problem is they believe that these traditions are as important as the Bible and they change over time.

1. I don't think that the Catholic Church has the traditions of the New Testament Church because their traditions change with different Popes and times.

The protestents firt decided praying for the dead wasn't true then they took it out the bible. It is in the original bible before the protestants decided to remove books from the bible. It is in 2 Maccabees.

The protestants also wanted to remove James. Because of his focus on works. But that one they decided could stay.

APperently Reve;ation was up for the chop too. Because a lot of the examples for us for worship come from Revelation.

 

[catholic123]

I think it is important to mention the Mass or Catholic ceremony that replaces communion. Catholics believe that when you take Mass you get good points for salvation. They also teach that people in Purgatory (a place of suffering for sins) will spend less time there. Catholics are known to pray for dead people. They have alot of teachings that are not in the Bible. It is also important to know that Catholics teachings change over time, (unlike the Bible). Protestants believe the Bible is God's Word and does not change; Catholics believe in traditions and Popes. An example: The Catholic Church used to only be in Latin, no one was allowed to have service if it wasn't in Latin. Now the Catholic Church allows services to be in any language. The problem is they believe that these traditions are as important as the Bible and they change over time.

1. I don't think that the Catholic Church has the traditions of the New Testament Church because their traditions change with different Popes and times.

There is clearly a big difference between changing moral teachings and changing languages and technicalities. The Church has never changed her moral teachings. The Church, like Gods word, does not change her moral teachings and teachings. Sometimes as more study is done of the scriptures, theologians for the Church go DEEPER into a teaching, but the basic moral teachings don't change. A change in language of the Mass is clearly not un-biblical. The whole format of the Mass, everything in it, has never changed. For logical reasons, languages were modified so that anyone who came to the Mass could understand what was happening by having it in their own language. The Mass is still the same Mass that has been celebrated for 2000 years and the teachings likewise are the same. Also, to say that Catholics believe in "good points" for going to Mass and less time in purgatory is false. The Church recognizes that the faith life is not a formula with set forms to fill out to get salvation points. However, in receiving Jesus' body, our hearts become closer to Him, as He makes us His tabernacle (the place where Jesus' body dwells). To say purgatory is suffering for our sins gives a false impression. Suffering for our sins would be Hell. Purgatory is where we are cleansed before we stand in front of God. If we left this earth and went to another planet, we couldn't just step off the aircraft and breath the air, we would need to be changed and transformed before we could enter. In the same way, we must be cleansed and transformed before we can "breath the air" of Heaven. We are forgiven of our sins by Jesus' death on the cross. However lets use an example of this. If we drive a nail (our sins) into wood (our lives) and pull the nail out (Jesus forgiving our sins), then a hole is still left. In the same way, our sins, though forgiven by Christ death, still leave a "hole". And we could not logically stand before God with a hole. We must be full and complete before we can stand before God. Purgatory is where God cleanses us of the effects of sins so we can stand before Him. If we go to purgatory, it is a god thing. We are 100% on our way to heaven, and God is just preparing us. Because we could not live in heaven if we still had the effects of our sins and (the desire to sin. We must be cleansed of the desire to sin before we can live in a place with no sin. So really there is no worries if there is a purgatory, it is just God making sure we are clean so we can enjoy Heaven forever. Hopefully this clears up a little bit about purgatory and the Church. Thanks for listening and remember that I am simply trying to give good dialogue and am doing this with 100% love and compassion, not out of hatred, and I would love to hear your response.

 

[catholic123]

The protestents firt decided praying for the dead wasn't true then they took it out the bible. It is in the original bible before the protestants decided to remove books from the bible. It is in 2 Maccabees.

The protestants also wanted to remove James. Because of his focus on works. But that one they decided could stay.

APperently Reve;ation was up for the chop too. Because a lot of the examples for us for worship come from Revelation.

The funny thing is that Maccabees, which was cut out of the original bible by the protestants, was quotes by Jesus in the gospels.

here are a few examples:

Matt. 24:15 - the "desolating sacrilege" Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.

Matt. 24:16 - let those "flee to the mountains" is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.

 

[Scotth1960]

[quote=process_architect;492264]How dare Catholics call themselves "Christian"! A better term would be "Maryians" or "Popians".

Catholics/Satan's deceived, answer me this:
You call the pope "Father" when Christ himself said "call no man father but me" - Matt 23:9? Why?
You pray to Mary and confess sins to the pope for forgiveness when Christ said "no man comes to the Father but through me" - John 14:6? Why?

Let's look at this through the eyes of Satan for a second. You are the angel of light and the ultimate deceiver. You can take things that seem so innocent and make them so bad. So if you hated God what would be the best way to spite him? To take His words and twist them to make them seem so good, when in reality they are so far from the truth.

Open your eyes.[/quote]
Friends, Open your hearts to God! Amen.
So, Protestants call themselves Lutherans, Calvinists, Wesleyans, Arminians, showing they follow men. Catholics also follow one man, the pope of Rome. No single individual has in Eastern Orthodoxy the place the Reformers have in Protestantism, and the Roman popes have in Catholicism. Orthodoxy is in the 7 Councils of the Church, the Scriptures, the Holy Traditions of the Apostolic, Apostolic Succession of Bishops, the Patriarchs of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow, and the other Orthodox Patriarchs. No Patriarch is regarded as infallible or a vicar of Jesus Christ. Only the Holy Spirit has the infallible role and Presence in the One Holy Orthodox Catholic Church.
The Apostolic Church. No Orthodox Christian views himself/herself, as "the way, the truth, and the life." The popes of Rome, some of them, called themselves, "the way, the truth and the life." The Protestants as Reformers also view themselves as keepers of "the way, the truth, and the life", and you must believe in their Reformation "solas" in order to be "saved", or to be "true Christians". According to Martin Luther alone, the doctrine (Protestant doctrine/"Lutheran" (sic) doctrine of "justification by faith alone" is the doctrine upon which "the church" (that is, Martin Luther himself as the church), "stands or falls." Go figure. So much emphasis upon just one man: the pope of Rome, Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Arminius, etc. Go figure. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Benjamin777]

The catholics can attack me all they want after seeing this and they can do even much more. But everything i write here today is TRUE!.. I believe that the Catholic Church is evil. As a matter of fact is Idolatory..

Do not follow their doctrine

That you should pray with the image of Jesus or Mary. As this will be equal to making grave images which God has already warned us against ( Exodus 20:4-5)

That you should call on Mary and the dead saints to intercede on your behalf in prayer. It is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who intercedes on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:26)....

Moreover the chain of the cross of Jesus Christ you keep carrying around will not Protect you.. Jesus Christ is no longer dead, He is alive and on the right side of his father, Now in a glorified form (Act 7:55-56).

The ridiculous prayer where they say *Holy Mary, full of grace*.. Wait A Min, Mary was never Holy!.Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

*Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners*, What?, did i just hear you say Mother of God??.. Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

Stay away from any doctrine that will lead you to HELL!... You were warned, don't say you weren't

Dear Tobby17,
I admire your courage, but you are mislead. First, about the grave images...in the old testament, God commanded that they raise up a bronze serpent to heal those who had been bitten.
Jesus talked to "dead saints" during the Transfiguration, and who said that saints are dead if they are in heaven?
The cross is a reminder of Jesus' sacrifice for us. If you do not recognize the death of Jesus, you cannot recognize the resurrection, for only with dying, could Jesus have risen.
The angel greeted Mary with, "Hail oh favored one!" This 'ridiculous' prayer is straight from an angel, and I am not one to argue with angels. The fact that she needed a savior doesn't mean she sinned. There are two ways from saving people from falling into a mud puddle. One, is to pull them out, like Jesus does with us. The other is to prevent that person from falling into it, like Mary, or Jesus for that matter. Sure, the fact that Mary was perfect wasn't in the Bible. We know this from sacred tradition. This was passed down from us via the Apostles. Sola Scriptora, which is what you are basing your argument off of, is only half of the whole picture. We need the Apostles words passed down from us to get the entire picture. If God can work through the writings of men to create the Bible, then he can also work through their actions and their tradition.
Your argument on the Council of Nicea is separating Jesus divinity from his humanity. You are making it seem as if they are competing. That is the same thing that Arius did when he said that 'anything that came from something had to be less than that thing.' His argument implies that Jesus was less than the Father. Which was wrong, because we believe that Jesus and God are one in the same, hence the trinity. Which means, that Mary being the mother of Jesus, would also make her the mother of God. You cannot separate Jesus into two parts. Queen of Heaven comes from the imagery in Revelation 12. Also, from the comparison to the Old Testament, where Bathsheba was Solomon's Queen Mother. The Queen was always the mother of the king because there were multiple wives. Jesus restored the Old testament kingdom and therefore restored the role of the queen in His kingdom. Besides, he would follow his own commandment of honoring His father and mother. Which would certainly raise Mary to a status other than someone who would lead people to hell. To think that Jesus would not honor her and allow her to lead people to hell is quite comical.
Benjamin777

 

[Scotth1960]

There is clearly a big difference between changing moral teachings and changing languages and technicalities. The Church has never changed her moral teachings. The Church, like Gods word, does not change her moral teachings and teachings. Sometimes as more study is done of the scriptures, theologians for the Church go DEEPER into a teaching, but the basic moral teachings don't change. A change in language of the Mass is clearly not un-biblical. The whole format of the Mass, everything in it, has never changed. For logical reasons, languages were modified so that anyone who came to the Mass could understand what was happening by having it in their own language. The Mass is still the same Mass that has been celebrated for 2000 years and the teachings likewise are the same. Also, to say that Catholics believe in "good points" for going to Mass and less time in purgatory is false. The Church recognizes that the faith life is not a formula with set forms to fill out to get salvation points. However, in receiving Jesus' body, our hearts become closer to Him, as He makes us His tabernacle (the place where Jesus' body dwells). To say purgatory is suffering for our sins gives a false impression. Suffering for our sins would be Hell. Purgatory is where we are cleansed before we stand in front of God. If we left this earth and went to another planet, we couldn't just step off the aircraft and breath the air, we would need to be changed and transformed before we could enter. In the same way, we must be cleansed and transformed before we can "breath the air" of Heaven. We are forgiven of our sins by Jesus' death on the cross. However lets use an example of this. If we drive a nail (our sins) into wood (our lives) and pull the nail out (Jesus forgiving our sins), then a hole is still left. In the same way, our sins, though forgiven by Christ death, still leave a "hole". And we could not logically stand before God with a hole. We must be full and complete before we can stand before God. Purgatory is where God cleanses us of the effects of sins so we can stand before Him. If we go to purgatory, it is a god thing. We are 100% on our way to heaven, and God is just preparing us. Because we could not live in heaven if we still had the effects of our sins and (the desire to sin. We must be cleansed of the desire to sin before we can live in a place with no sin. So really there is no worries if there is a purgatory, it is just God making sure we are clean so we can enjoy Heaven forever. Hopefully this clears up a little bit about purgatory and the Church. Thanks for listening and remember that I am simply trying to give good dialogue and am doing this with 100% love and compassion, not out of hatred, and I would love to hear your response.

Dear friend, Your note that the traditions of Roman Catholicism change with the changing Roman popes and times is spot on right! The Roman popes many of them have contradict each other. Pope St. Leo III forbad the addition of "Filioque" to the Creed in Latin, even though he believed in it, he didn't take authority over the Creed for himself. The pope of Rome in 1014 AD took "authority" upon "himself" and changed the Church Creed, by adding the Latin word "Filioque", thus contradicting Jesus Christ in John 15:26!
Thus, the Roman Catholic Church is divided against itself. The earlier Catholic Church of Rome believed the Same Creed as the Creed of the Greek Orthodox Catholic Church of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem. They confessed the same Christian doctrines. Only after 1054 AD did they begin "developing" the unique papist doctrines: papal authority, infallibility, purgatory, indulgences, crusades, Inquisitions, works of supererogation, treasury of merits, immaculate conception of Mary, original sin, mandatory priestly celibacy, statues, brown scapular, stigmata, unleavened wafer in the Eucharist, cup of wine forbidden to the laity in the eucharist (the Eucharist in one kind, instead of in two kinds as the holy Catholic Church had previously practiced), baptism by sprinkling instead of by trine immersion. God save us. In Erie Scott Harrington

 

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Sorry but i think any church that practices Idolatory maybe directly or indirectly is not of God, but of the Devil!..You cannot serve God and Mammon!

I would agree a church that practices Idolatry is not of God. But the Catholic Church does not practice Idolatry. God gave us 5 sense for a reason. He understands it would be impossible, even illogical for us to just go 100% off of faith without ever having physical reminders. We use pictures of Jesus to REMIND us of God, not to worship the picture. Worshiping the picture would be wrong, but we are worshiping Jesus, which the picture is simply a physical tangible reminder of. As far as picture of the saints, it is like a photo of an important person or a family member. We are simply honoring the life of someone who has lived for God. We simply use it as a reminder of what we can do when we give our self fully to God.

 

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Dear friend, Your note that the traditions of Roman Catholicism change with the changing Roman popes and times is spot on right! The Roman popes many of them have contradict each other. Pope St. Leo III forbad the addition of "Filioque" to the Creed in Latin, even though he believed in it, he didn't take authority over the Creed for himself. The pope of Rome in 1014 AD took "authority" upon "himself" and changed the Church Creed, by adding the Latin word "Filioque", thus contradicting Jesus Christ in John 15:26!
Thus, the Roman Catholic Church is divided against itself. The earlier Catholic Church of Rome believed the Same Creed as the Creed of the Greek Orthodox Catholic Church of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem. They confessed the same Christian doctrines. Only after 1054 AD did they begin "developing" the unique papist doctrines: papal authority, infallibility, purgatory, indulgences, crusades, Inquisitions, works of supererogation, treasury of merits, immaculate conception of Mary, original sin, mandatory priestly celibacy, statues, brown scapular, stigmata, unleavened wafer in the Eucharist, cup of wine forbidden to the laity in the eucharist (the Eucharist in one kind, instead of in two kinds as the holy Catholic Church had previously practiced), baptism by sprinkling instead of by trine immersion. God save us. In Erie Scott Harrington

Now hold on, where you are wrong is saying that all of the sudden in 10554 AD the Church just started making things up and adding things. No, what happened was that these teaching had been believed by everyone, and the Church had simply seen no reason to outline it as Church doctrine. The Church often doesn't put things as doctrine until people begin to challenge this doctrine. Before 1000 AD, the Church was unified and very little was disputed. Only after 1000 AD did people begin to question what the Church taught, and through the years, the Church was forced to define what she has always believed. If you read the writings of the early Church fathers, you will realize that these teaching have always been there, but they weren't defined until later, simply because there was no need to.