Catholic Church Is Not Of God

[Scotth1960]

First, we call the Pope, Holy Father because he is like a father, presiding over the children of God. Why did you call your dad father? That would be blasphemous, right? We do not follow the pope, we follow Jesus. The Pope is just a leader, like the President.
Dear catholic123, If the Pope is just a leader, like the President, where (to where) is he leading his flock of a billion or more souls of Roman Catholic "faithful"?
What does the Pope of Rome (try to) make of himself?
Pope Leo X (1513-1521 AD) said: "The entire world knows how profitable this fable of Christ has been to us and ours."
Moreri (Roman theologian):
"To make war against the pope is to make war against God, seeing that the pope is God and God is the pope."
Nicolaus de Tudeschis, in "Commentaria" (lvi.34): "The pope can do all things God can do."
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." Pope Leo XIII: (June 20, 1894; Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XII: Benziger Brothers, "Reunion of Christendom", p. 304)
"The pope is not only representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the pope speak? It is Jesus Christ Himself Who speaks". -- Pope (St.) Pius X
Not to be outdone, Pope Pius XI declared:
"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on earth." (Butler, Vatican I, Vol. I: also, Scriptural Truths for Roman Catholics: Dr. B. Brewer, Mission to Catholics, Int.).
"Lest anyone think that things have changed from those triumphal days of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, they have only to read the words uttered recently by Cardinal John O'Connor of New York:
"The Holy Father is the true successor of Christ on earth." (Sermon, St. Patrick's Cathedral, New York, March 1987)
and until he ritual was terminated by Pope John Paul I, when the triple crown was placed on the head of a new pope at his "coronation" the officiating cardinal proclaimed:
"Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns, and know that thou art the Father of Princes and Kings, Ruler of the World; the Vicar of Our Saviour Jesus Christ ... (vicar, n., a substitute)
the ritual changed; the words remain"

(Rev. Fr. Marc Auer; pp. 12-13: The Myth of Papal Infallibility. Copyright 1990, The Cenacle, Buffalo, NY: Liberty, TN: The St. John of Kronstadt Press.).

God save us all from every error and every sin, and from the deceptiveness and craftiness of men, wherein they lie in wait to deceive: whether they be Protestant or Roman Catholic; or those who would cause any schisms within the Orthodox Church: and God protect us and prevent us from either believing or teaching any heresies. Lord have mercy: AMEN. In July 15, 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington
Erie PA


We do not pray to Mary, that is wrong, we pray through her. Thats why we always ask for "Mary's *intercession*. So she can lift up our prayers to heaven, and make them more beautiful. We confess our sins to a priest because he is representative of God.
"Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)"
That is a quote taken from Catholic.com. If you disagree, ask them.

Also, to go off the Pope thing a little bit, let us look at the old testament. We can clearly see that God had a representative for himself on earth, someone to shepherd His people. Moses, Joshua, David, etc. God never left them without a shepherd, so why, after He rose and went to heaven, would he leave us without a shepherd. He didn't, he gave us the pope to be our shepherd.[/quote]

 

[SantoSubito]

Either ways, Mary was NOT HOLY

Thats a rather bold assertion to make. Do you know Mary's heart? Do you know exactly how she lived while on Earth?

 

[mpaper345]

I don't understand what there is to argue about,it is obvious the Roman Catholic Church is a blending of Roman Paganism and Christianity,making it an occult Christianity.

Jesus said do not fight for the kingdom of God by physical force,and feed and clothe your enemies,but the Roman Catholic Church,fought physically for the kingdom of God,so how are they the true Church.
Since the Roman Empire was fighting for power they made their false Christianity fight for power.

However the Roman Catholic Church is not as occultic as the New Age religion's occult Christianity,that God warns us of in 1 Timothy chapter 4,or are they.

A lot of people in the Vatican talk along the lines of the New Age religion,and occultists believe the Roman Catholic Church is of the occult,which now you can see black magic symbols in their organization,like the occult symbol of the 8 fold path of enlightment found in Saint Peter's Basilica,and the twisted cross of the Pope.

If you do research on the Roman Catholic Church it is obvious their foundation is occult,who incorporated Christianity in to it,and there cannot be a falling away of man and the man of sin appear until there is an occult Christianity incorporated in to all religions,which the New Age religion provided,in which the Vatican and Pope will slowly carry out.

 

[USNCorpsman76]

Catholic Church Is Of God

So much ignorance in this forum... I would say more but I would probably get banned.

Catholicism is the true faith.

 

[Shyness]

The catholics can attack me all they want after seeing this and they can do even much more. But everything i write here today is TRUE!.. I believe that the Catholic Church is evil. As a matter of fact is Idolatory..

Do not follow their doctrine

That you should pray with the image of Jesus or Mary. As this will be equal to making grave images which God has already warned us against ( Exodus 20:4-5)

That you should call on Mary and the dead saints to intercede on your behalf in prayer. It is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who intercedes on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25, Romans 6:26)....

Moreover the chain of the cross of Jesus Christ you keep carrying around will not Protect you.. Jesus Christ is no longer dead, He is alive and on the right side of his father, Now in a glorified form (Act 7:55-56).

The ridiculous prayer where they say *Holy Mary, full of grace*.. Wait A Min, Mary was never Holy!.Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

*Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners*, What?, did i just hear you say Mother of God??.. Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

Stay away from any doctrine that will lead you to HELL!... You were warned, don't say you weren't

This is nothing but a bunch of ignorance from someone who does not bother to do any research.

 

[zeroturbulence]

Re: Catholic Church Is Of God

So much ignorance in this forum... I would say more but I would probably get banned.

Catholicism is the true faith.

Yea its no use trying to reason with people like the OP. They get their thrills out of bashing our faith. Trying to explain things to them just gets them more riled up.

 

[Shyness]

Re: Catholic Church Is Of God

Yea its no use trying to reason with people like the OP. They get their thrills out of bashing our faith. Trying to explain things to them just gets them more riled up.

That is why I will never give a dime to this site. In fact last month it never reached its goal and July is half over and the goal is not even halfway met.

 

[AnandaHya]

No.... you don't Tobby.

no you just tell them they are going to hell and are not really Christian....I'd rather be told I'm proud, but anyway...

as for not giving money for the site, well let me ask what else in life do you get for free and would you miss this site if it was no longer here?

 

[catholic123]

I think it's safe to say that most Protestants, Baptists, Calvinists, etc. believe that Catholics in general do not go to heaven.

Do most Catholics believe Protestants, Baptists, Calvinists, etc. go to heaven?

We believe that anyone can go to heaven. I think it is wrong to say that someone can/can't go to heaven. Would we say that certain actions and beliefs are serious sins, yes. But we dare not judge and say who is going to hell and who isn't going to hell. For a religion that is so "sola scriptora" they don't really follow scripture, when Jesus says do not judge. We have no right to say someone is/is not going to heaven. There is only one truth and anything outside of that truth could put your salvation in jeopardy. And we have a responsibility to tell people when they are commiting actions or believing things that are contrary to the truth of God. But to say someone or worse yet, everyone in a religion is going to hell or deceived by Satan, it sounds to me like playing God and judging who does/don't' go to heaven.

 

[catholic123]

I think on a possitive note, at least Catholics believe that the Saints are still alive! I have alot of respect for Mother Mary and the Saints. I don't believe the Bible teaches they hear everyone's prayer. But I think you could even believe in meeting Saints. It's not unBiblical to think you could meet one of the dead Saints. I don't believe that Saints can interceed for everyone who prays. But I do believe they are still alive in Christ.
Catholics seem to be open to visions of Saints and of God. I don't see why they don't read the Bible and let the Holy Spirit interceed for them. (With groanings that can't be understood by men). But I do like the openness of some Catholics.

I think more Catholics do need to read and know there bible, I would agree with you. And I, as a Catholic, really appreciate your compassion and respect for Catholics, unlike many others. As a Catholic, I have so much respect and love for my fellow believers, even if I don't agree with what they believe and it pains me when the Church is disrespected and attacked and even called Satan.. So thank you for at least being open to what we believe, even if at this point you don't 100% agree. On the note of the saints, the Holy Spirit is our intercessor. But what the saints do for us is like if I were to ask you to pray for me, we simply ask the saints to pray for us. Lets look at revelation 5:8 where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us. Also, The intercession of fellow Christians—which is what the saints in heaven are—also clearly does not interfere with Christ’s unique mediatorship because in the four verses immediately preceding 1 Timothy 2:5, Paul says that Christians should interceed: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Clearly, then, intercessory prayers offered by Christians on behalf of others is something "good and pleasing to God," not something infringing on Christ’s role as mediator. (these are taken from (Praying to the Saints) Check that website out if you have more deep questions about the saints and thank you for your respect, your compassion and openness have really shown a true Christian.

 

[catholic123]

I don't understand what there is to argue about,it is obvious the Roman Catholic Church is a blending of Roman Paganism and Christianity,making it an occult Christianity.

Jesus said do not fight for the kingdom of God by physical force,and feed and clothe your enemies,but the Roman Catholic Church,fought physically for the kingdom of God,so how are they the true Church.
Since the Roman Empire was fighting for power they made their false Christianity fight for power.

However the Roman Catholic Church is not as occultic as the New Age religion's occult Christianity,that God warns us of in 1 Timothy chapter 4,or are they.

A lot of people in the Vatican talk along the lines of the New Age religion,and occultists believe the Roman Catholic Church is of the occult,which now you can see black magic symbols in their organization,like the occult symbol of the 8 fold path of enlightment found in Saint Peter's Basilica,and the twisted cross of the Pope.

If you do research on the Roman Catholic Church it is obvious their foundation is occult,who incorporated Christianity in to it,and there cannot be a falling away of man and the man of sin appear until there is an occult Christianity incorporated in to all religions,which the New Age religion provided,in which the Vatican and Pope will slowly carry out.

Funny, in 2000 years of study, if it is apparently so "obvious" that the Roman Catholic Church is paganism or whatever you called it, it would have died out. One thing you are wrong about is the crusades. In the beginning, they were issued by the church, to protect the Holy Land. A just war, and God said that there would be just wars. However, the crusaders got greedy, and began to see how they could use these wars for money. And this is when the crusades left the church. Regardless of papal involvement, any war that goes against church moral teachings (which the later crusades did) is not the Roman Catholic Church. The later crusades for money and greed in no way represented the Catholic Church or her teaching, it was simply a result of human sin.

 

[Warrior44]

Also, to go off the Pope thing a little bit, let us look at the old testament. We can clearly see that God had a representative for himself on earth, someone to shepherd His people. Moses, Joshua, David, etc. God never left them without a shepherd, so why, after He rose and went to heaven, would he leave us without a shepherd. He didn't, he gave us the pope to be our shepherd.

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Once again scott, who said that the Popes are perfect? he can make mistakes just like anyone else. If these Popes did say these things, and not saying they did, and if they are not taken out of context, were the Popes exercising the infallible character of their office? If they weren't theres no guarantee they are correct.

 

[Tobby17]

Re: Catholic Church Is Of God

That is why I will never give a dime to this site. In fact last month it never reached its goal and July is half over and the goal is not even halfway met.

Hello, this is a total Childish post. I mean if you don't give a dime to this site, trust me there are lots of people who will gladly do.. And by the way, what's it with this goal thing you're talking about?

 

[Scotth1960]

Once again scott, who said that the Popes are perfect? he can make mistakes just like anyone else. If these Popes did say these things, and not saying they did, and if they are not taken out of context, were the Popes exercising the infallible character of their office? If they weren't theres no guarantee they are correct.[/quote]
How can the following be taken out of context. It is blasphemous and sinful, in any context:
"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on earth." Pope Pius XI.
There is no way to justify these words, and Pope Pius XI spoke them.

 

[Warrior44]

Also, to go off the Pope thing a little bit, let us look at the old testament. We can clearly see that God had a representative for himself on earth, someone to shepherd His people. Moses, Joshua, David, etc. God never left them without a shepherd, so why, after He rose and went to heaven, would he leave us without a shepherd. He didn't, he gave us the pope to be our shepherd.

[/QUOTE]

Once again scott, who said that the Popes are perfect? he can make mistakes just like anyone else. If these Popes did say these things, and not saying they did, and if they are not taken out of context, were the Popes exercising the infallible character of their office? If they weren't theres no guarantee they are correct.

 

[Scotth1960]

This is nothing but a bunch of ignorance from someone who does not bother to do any research.

It is not ignorance to say that the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" teaches the heresy that "the Holy Spirit proceedeth from both the Father AND THE SON (FILIOQUE)", and that the word "FILIOQUE" (AND THE SON), is not justified by Scripture in St. John 15:26, Jesus Christ the LORD Himself speaking, and saying very plainly, "who proceedeth from the Father". If Christ wished to say "and the Son", and, if those words were true, St. John the Beloved Apostle of Christ would have heard, and remembered, that Jesus Christ said those words. But Christ did not say "And the Son", or "And from Me". Therefore, Roman Catholicism is in error, since, from 1014 AD, the popes of Rome have been chanting "who proceeds from the Father and the Son", and Thomas Aquinas the teacher of the Roman Catholic theology, insisteth that to believe in the Filioque "And the Son" is necessary for salvation, as it is part of submitting oneself to the pope of Rome, which submission is also deemed "necessary for salvation" according to Thomas Aquinas. Go figure.

 

[Scotth1960]

I don't understand what there is to argue about,it is obvious the Roman Catholic Church is a blending of Roman Paganism and Christianity,making it an occult Christianity.

Jesus said do not fight for the kingdom of God by physical force,and feed and clothe your enemies,but the Roman Catholic Church,fought physically for the kingdom of God,so how are they the true Church.
Since the Roman Empire was fighting for power they made their false Christianity fight for power.

However the Roman Catholic Church is not as occultic as the New Age religion's occult Christianity,that God warns us of in 1 Timothy chapter 4,or are they.

A lot of people in the Vatican talk along the lines of the New Age religion,and occultists believe the Roman Catholic Church is of the occult,which now you can see black magic symbols in their organization,like the occult symbol of the 8 fold path of enlightment found in Saint Peter's Basilica,and the twisted cross of the Pope.

If you do research on the Roman Catholic Church it is obvious their foundation is occult,who incorporated Christianity in to it,and there cannot be a falling away of man and the man of sin appear until there is an occult Christianity incorporated in to all religions,which the New Age religion provided,in which the Vatican and Pope will slowly carry out.

The vision of "Our Lady of Fatima" and "Our Lady of Lourdes" are certainly two occult visions, two private revelations not justified by the public revelation of Christ in the Holy Scriptures of OT and NT.

 

[Warrior44]

Once again scott, who said that the Popes are perfect? he can make mistakes just like anyone else. If these Popes did say these things, and not saying they did, and if they are not taken out of context, were the Popes exercising the infallible character of their office? If they weren't theres no guarantee they are correct.

How can the following be taken out of context. It is blasphemous and sinful, in any context:
"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on earth." Pope Pius XI.
There is no way to justify these words, and Pope Pius XI spoke them.[/QUOTE]

There are many ways and I'm sure you could figure them out if you though hard enough. Regardless, i did not say that it was, i said that it COULD BE. By the way, who denied even knowing Jesus three time? St. Peter. I'm sure anything any Pope has said can amount to that. Jesus knew this and we believe that Jesus made him the first Pope anyway. And you are a smart guy, you know all the verses we quote to back up why we believe this. its's just a matter of being open to the idea or not.

 

[Warrior44]

Once again scott, who said that the Popes are perfect? he can make mistakes just like anyone else. If these Popes did say these things, and not saying they did, and if they are not taken out of context, were the Popes exercising the infallible character of their office? If they weren't theres no guarantee they are correct.

How can the following be taken out of context. It is blasphemous and sinful, in any context:
"You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on earth." Pope Pius XI.
There is no way to justify these words, and Pope Pius XI spoke them.[/QUOTE]

 

[catholic123]

It is not ignorance to say that the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" teaches the heresy that "the Holy Spirit proceedeth from both the Father AND THE SON (FILIOQUE)", and that the word "FILIOQUE" (AND THE SON), is not justified by Scripture in St. John 15:26, Jesus Christ the LORD Himself speaking, and saying very plainly, "who proceedeth from the Father". If Christ wished to say "and the Son", and, if those words were true, St. John the Beloved Apostle of Christ would have heard, and remembered, that Jesus Christ said those words. But Christ did not say "And the Son", or "And from Me". Therefore, Roman Catholicism is in error, since, from 1014 AD, the popes of Rome have been chanting "who proceeds from the Father and the Son", and Thomas Aquinas the teacher of the Roman Catholic theology, insisteth that to believe in the Filioque "And the Son" is necessary for salvation, as it is part of submitting oneself to the pope of Rome, which submission is also deemed "necessary for salvation" according to Thomas Aquinas. Go figure.

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Again, you hare to look at theology. Since you believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God, you believe they are perfect in their nature. And since they are perfect, they are one, because they can't be anything but one. There wills can't be different, because as perfect, they all will everything perfectly, and thus will everything the same. And so the Holy Spirit did proceed from both the Father and the Son, because, although the Father and the Son are different persons, they are one being with the Holy Spirit. They are one and cannot be separated. The Holy Spirit is often described as this: the love between God the Father and God the Son, was so great, it became tangible, and that is the Holy Spirit. Also, when they say from the Father, you must understand that they all three have always existed. They didn't come from each other in the sense of time. They always have, are and will be. So to separate and say that the Holy spirit only came from the Father, would assume that the Son and the Father are separate beings, which they are not. They are separate "persons" but one being and therefore anything coming from the Father would also be coming from Jesus.