About Psalm 105:22 about Joseph getting out of prison

[Pilgrimshope]

About 400 years passed from this pharaoh

“And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father and thy brethren are come unto thee: the land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle. And Joseph brought in Jacob his father, and set him before Pharaoh: and Jacob blessed Pharaoh. And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou? And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage. And Jacob blessed Pharaoh, and went out from before Pharaoh.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭47:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and this pharaoh of Moses time 4 generations later when things again took a bad turn but would lead to thier deliverance just as god promised Abram in genesis 15

“And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty;

and the land was filled with them. Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we: come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land. Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭1:6-11‬ ‭

I think you may be thinking the same pharaoh of Joseph’s day is the same over in Moses day but there’s four generations between and everything became wicked after the reign of Joseph and the pharoah who loves Joseph and gave them his family the best land in Egypt and honored them

 

[JohnB]

have you read the end of genesis and beginning of exodus ?

“And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.

And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God? But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.

And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, he, and his father's house: ( the children of Israel )

and Joseph lived an hundred and ten years. And Joseph saw Ephraim's children of the third generation: the children also of Machir the son of Manasseh were brought up upon Joseph's knees. And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭50:18-24, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That Joseph enslaved and tormented them ? You have the wrong idea about Joseph brother he was a man of God chosen by the vision to save israel during the great famine at the end of genesis he never did harm to his brethren never took revenge

when Jacob mentioned it to him he wept , he had already received them with kindness though they had feared him that he would be like your thinking they thought the same thing but he was a man of God

the bad things started happening after all that Egypt was a blessing to the people at the first but Joseph and that pharaoh died the kind pharaoh who lived Joseph and others rose up and then all of those things happened to isreal in Egypt Joseph isn’t the one bringing any harm and destruction to anyone the opposite actually a savior to them through the evil they did to him he returned the blessing

When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, “We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. Why should we perish before your eyes—we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”
So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, from one end of Egypt to the other. Genesis 47:18,,,,Joseph did not give them grain out of the goodness of his heart. He reduced the people to servitude.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, “We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. Why should we perish before your eyes—we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”
So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, from one end of Egypt to the other. Genesis 47:18,,,,Joseph did not give them grain out of the goodness of his heart. He reduced the people to servitude.

yeah that was to save the people through the famine …..that’s my point brother the pharaoh of Joseph’s day was a good guy he wasn’t like the other pharoah he didn’t enslave and torment anyone his people were in a famine he bought the land in order to ration things and keep the people in the best shape

it wasn’t democratic or anything the ruler just decided those things they looked at pharoah like a “ god” dictator but this one was a good guy is my point the evil came after the blessing

there’s no evidence in the Bible that Joseph took revenge or enslaved anyone yeah he did purchase lands for Pharoah during a famine to keep his people strong

I don’t think that really says what your saying though

but it’s just what I myself believe from scripture and you also have your own belief from scripture not arguing or anything I just thought maybe your equating Moses time with Joseph’s and those two pharoahs were quite different towards israel and their own people to the point they began killing Israel’s children at birth which brought Gods wrath

 

[ResidentAlien]

Joseph did not give them grain out of the goodness of his heart. He reduced the people to servitude.

Joseph was shrewd. The people came to him because they were going to die. They offered themselves as slaves, and their land, to Joseph. He took them up on their offer and they later thanked him for saving their lives. "So they said, 'You have saved our lives; let us find favor in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.' " 47:25

Maybe it seems a bit harsh to us today, but by the standards of the time Joseph did a noble thing.

"The people will curse him who withholds grain, But blessing will be on the head of him who sells it." Proverbs 11:26

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

yeah that was to save the people through the famine …..that’s my point brother the pharaoh of Joseph’s day was a good guy he wasn’t like the other pharoah he didn’t enslave and torment anyone his people were in a famine he bought the land in order to ration things and keep the people in the best shape

it wasn’t democratic or anything the ruler just decided those things they looked at pharoah like a “ god” dictator but this one was a good guy is my point the evil came after the blessing

there’s no evidence in the Bible that Joseph took revenge or enslaved anyone yeah he did purchase lands for Pharoah during a famine to keep his people strong

I don’t think that really says what your saying though

but it’s just what I myself believe from scripture and you also have your own belief from scripture not arguing or anything I just thought maybe your equating Moses time with Joseph’s and those two pharoahs were quite different towards israel and their own people to the point they began killing Israel’s children at birth which brought Gods wrath

He really did do it for the kingdom.The story of Joseph being put in charge of Egypt during a famine is a foreshadowing of the spiritual famine in Revelation.People will sell their homes and possessions and give it to Joseph during the testimony of The Two Witnesses.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

He really did do it for the kingdom.The story of Joseph being put in charge of Egypt during a famine is a foreshadowing of the spiritual famine in Revelation.People will sell their homes and possessions and give it to Joseph during the testimony of The Two Witnesses.

yes indeed , the entire Bible shows forth figures and shadows of the gospel. Even from the first it was all about the End goal

“And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the eternal Kingdom of God is always the intent

 

[JohnB]

Joseph was shrewd. The people came to him because they were going to die. They offered themselves as slaves, and their land, to Joseph. He took them up on their offer and they later thanked him for saving their lives. "So they said, 'You have saved our lives; let us find favor in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.' " 47:25

Maybe it seems a bit harsh to us today, but by the standards of the time Joseph did a noble thing.

"The people will curse him who withholds grain, But blessing will be on the head of him who sells it." Proverbs 11:26

I understand that. He wasn't giving away grain for free out of the goodness of his heart. He was a tough ruler.

 

[JohnB]

yeah that was to save the people through the famine …..that’s my point brother the pharaoh of Joseph’s day was a good guy he wasn’t like the other pharoah he didn’t enslave and torment anyone his people were in a famine he bought the land in order to ration things and keep the people in the best shape

it wasn’t democratic or anything the ruler just decided those things they looked at pharoah like a “ god” dictator but this one was a good guy is my point the evil came after the blessing

there’s no evidence in the Bible that Joseph took revenge or enslaved anyone yeah he did purchase lands for Pharoah during a famine to keep his people strong

I don’t think that really says what your saying though

but it’s just what I myself believe from scripture and you also have your own belief from scripture not arguing or anything I just thought maybe your equating Moses time with Joseph’s and those two pharoahs were quite different towards israel and their own people to the point they began killing Israel’s children at birth which brought Gods wrath

Read the part of where he put some high officials in prison. He was cleaning house.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Read the part of where he put some high officials in prison. He was cleaning house.

That’s not what you were saying though Joseph putting some high Egyptian officials in prison by command of pharoah that’s orderly government not revenge

your looking at Joseph the wrong way but again that’s just my own opinion and really I think the scriptures bear it out but it’s not a paramour issue worth arguing about in my opinion.

Joseph was a servant of pharoah , pharoah had rule over all Egypt , there was a great famine on the e land so things were chaotic what did those officials do ? Why we’re they out in prison ? Certainly not from Joseph the vengeful man because of what happened to him it did. Ot make him bitter he recognized God had fulfilled his vision and saved israel from the famine is my point

Joseph is the subject he was never vengeful even when it happened at potephers house he simply ran away he didn’t seek revenge th ta what maybe you or I would do but Joseph is a man chosen and ordained of God for a purpose of salvstion during a famine hat would hill the family of Jacob

because they sold him later God delivered th n all through him and revenge or hard feelings were never part of the equation

again though as anything I’ve ever said about the Bible it’s just one old man’s opinion I appreciate the conversation brother and good spirit I just don’t see it like you do is all o hope there’s no hard feelings or anything
just like Christ was out to shame and punishment unjustly according to others transgressions and they were then saved through him

So is the figure of Joseph and his brethren

 

[ResidentAlien]

He wasn't giving away grain for free out of the goodness of his heart. He was a tough ruler.

He did the right thing under the circumstances.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Read the part of where he put some high officials in prison. He was cleaning house.

Chapter and verse please.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Read the part of where he put some high officials in prison. He was cleaning house.

If you're talking about Psalm 105, I don't really agree with your assessment.

"The king sent and released him;​

the ruler of the peoples set him free;​

he made him lord of his house​

and ruler of all his possessions,​

to bind his princes at his pleasure​

and to teach his elders wisdom." Psalm 105:20-22​

This does seem to suggest that Joseph was authorized by Pharaoh to imprison his officials. But I don't read in this any kind of tit for tat or petty revenge on Joseph's part as you suggested in your original post. I see Pharaoh allowing Joseph to used his own judgement as his second in command. I don't think Pharaoh would have done this if he thought Joseph was petty and vengeful and generally a loose canon. No, he trusted him to do what was good for Pharaoh and the kingdom, not what was good for Joseph necessarily; and Joseph had the wisdom to rule honorably.

Was he tough? No doubt about it. Was he petty and vengeful? I don't see any reason to think this.

 

[JohnB]

If you're talking about Psalm 105, I don't really agree with your assessment.

"The king sent and released him;​

the ruler of the peoples set him free;​

he made him lord of his house​

and ruler of all his possessions,​

to bind his princes at his pleasure​

and to teach his elders wisdom." Psalm 105:20-22​

This does seem to suggest that Joseph was authorized by Pharaoh to imprison his officials. But I don't read in this any kind of tit for tat or petty revenge on Joseph's part as you suggested in your original post. I see Pharaoh allowing Joseph to used his own judgement as his second in command. I don't think Pharaoh would have done this if he thought Joseph was petty and vengeful and generally a loose canon. No, he trusted him to do what was good for Pharaoh and the kingdom, not what was good for Joseph necessarily; and Joseph had the wisdom to rule honorably.

Was he tough? No doubt about it. Was he petty and vengeful? I don't see any reason to think this.

to bind his princes at his pleasure.... I am sure he was cleaning house.

 

[JohnB]

Chapter and verse please.

Psalm 105:22