Church Doctrine VS. God's Word
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Because you have to reconcile all scripture together in context. You cant just decided what is written is wrong or isn't there or doesnt mean what it says. So when Peter says get up and be baptized, wash away your sins. Then baptism washes away sin. How? I dont know but scripture says so, therefore so it is.
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You may already know it, but just in case you didn't, I want to point out that scripture confirms the apostles always used the name of the Lord Jesus when administering water baptisms. All detailed records of water baptism reveal this truth. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16) Makes sense when you realize those being baptized are being baptized into Jesus' death. Paul also mentions one's obedience to it is when their sins are destroyed. (Romans 6:3-6) Of course this is dependent upon one's belief in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. Otherwise getting water baptized accomplishes nothing but getting wet.
amen whether Jew or gentile
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water)
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
Acts 2:38 KJV
And gentile
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. ( spirit )
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, ( water ) which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? ( spirit )
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-48 KJV
This is baptism
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:4-5, 8 KJV
the water is something the church does in faith , the spirit is what Christ gives us as a gift because we believe. It’s just one baptism we do our part and he does his or he does his part and we do ours believing
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5
we believe and get baptized for remission of sins in his name because we heard and believed , ( water ) and he puts the spirit on us ( spirit )
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water)
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
Acts 2:38 KJV
or like the gentiles we can hear and believe and receive the gift and Get baptized for remission in order to operate by his word
there’s o my ever been the one process of baptism the church is commanded to follow johns ministry of baptism for remission d Jesus has promised to gift the Holy Spirit
water and spirit is basic it just means water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost and it hasn’t changed at all and won’t it for as you said Jesus name has been announced so we know who’s name to be baptized into the lords name
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water)
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
Acts 2:38 KJV
And gentile
“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. ( spirit )
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, ( water ) which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? ( spirit )
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:42-48 KJV
This is baptism
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:4-5, 8 KJV
the water is something the church does in faith , the spirit is what Christ gives us as a gift because we believe. It’s just one baptism we do our part and he does his or he does his part and we do ours believing
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5
we believe and get baptized for remission of sins in his name because we heard and believed , ( water ) and he puts the spirit on us ( spirit )
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, ( water)
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
Acts 2:38 KJV
or like the gentiles we can hear and believe and receive the gift and Get baptized for remission in order to operate by his word
there’s o my ever been the one process of baptism the church is commanded to follow johns ministry of baptism for remission d Jesus has promised to gift the Holy Spirit
water and spirit is basic it just means water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost and it hasn’t changed at all and won’t it for as you said Jesus name has been announced so we know who’s name to be baptized into the lords name
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Was Noah obeying Gods word and building the ark Salvic?” In the same way baptism has the operation of faith
the boat was a product of Noah hearing God believing and this formed his actions
Christian’s hear about baptism for remission of sins believe it and faith forms thier next action
if we don’t know about baptism for remission of sins and if we do know about baptism for remission of sins determines it’s value and necessaty
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
Luke 12:47-48 KJV
if I know I need to get baptized for remission and don’t do it it becomes transgression if I dont know about it it’s not required
the boat was a product of Noah hearing God believing and this formed his actions
Christian’s hear about baptism for remission of sins believe it and faith forms thier next action
if we don’t know about baptism for remission of sins and if we do know about baptism for remission of sins determines it’s value and necessaty
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
Luke 12:47-48 KJV
if I know I need to get baptized for remission and don’t do it it becomes transgression if I dont know about it it’s not required
Yeh but we are not taught to build an ark we are told to believe on the Lord Jesus and we shall be saved. Cornelius was saved without baptism in water and quite possibly many of Paul's converts for God did not send him to baptise.
Baptism is a Jewish ordinance. I am baptised in water but I was saved and baptized in the Holy Ghost before then.
Baptism is a Jewish ordinance. I am baptised in water but I was saved and baptized in the Holy Ghost before then.
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Every time that I tried to study the scriptures I mistakenly thought there were too many scriptures that contradicted each other, mostly with the salvation scriptures. When I was 50 years old I thought I was smart enough to figure them out, if I purchased a concordance, and studied enough. It took me 12 Years of study until I gave up and told God that I would just have to live my life without having the knowledge of the truth.
Was not very long after, that the salvation scriptures began to harmonize. Looking back, I realised if the Holy Spirit had revealed the truth to me, with my prideful attitude, I would have taken credit for myself, instead of giving God the credit.
No one, that I know of on this forum, agrees with my interpretation of the scriptures. But I don't let that bother me, because I think that I have been given the knowledge of Christ's doctrine, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, an this doctrine was not popular with the majority of God's born again children when Jesus taught it.
God has withheld this doctrine from most of his born again children, for reasons that I do not know. Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach this doctrine to the lost sheep of the household of Israel, which are those that he blinded to the truth.
I feel compelled to try to inform those that do not understand the doctrine of its truths, knowing that unless they deny their own entelect the Holy Spirit will not reveal.
If you have any questions about the doctrine, I would be more than happy to try to answer them.
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