Thief in the Night-- Pretrib or Second Coming?
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I forget... If you don't mind repeating 
, could you remind me what your understanding of the phrase "in the midst of the week" refers to (what time-slot)... iow, it could be expressed, "in the midst of the 7-yr 'Week'"... Also, what are you saying took place at that point, if 34ad is the final / 70th "Week [of seven years]" and ENDS it (if I'm understanding you correctly).
If I'm recalling correctly, you believe "in the midst of the week" means that there is either no second part of that "week," or that that part alone is relegated to the "far future" fulfillment (I forget if your view is either of these, or neither and is something else entirely... my apologies for not remembering every detail of your viewpoint )
No need for any long explanation, I'm just wondering how you are seeing the phrase "and in the midst of the week" (time-wise, in your viewpoint). Thanks!
, could you remind me what your understanding of the phrase "in the midst of the week" refers to (what time-slot)... iow, it could be expressed, "in the midst of the 7-yr 'Week'"... Also, what are you saying took place at that point, if 34ad is the final / 70th "Week [of seven years]" and ENDS it (if I'm understanding you correctly).If I'm recalling correctly, you believe "in the midst of the week" means that there is either no second part of that "week," or that that part alone is relegated to the "far future" fulfillment (I forget if your view is either of these, or neither and is something else entirely... my apologies for not remembering every detail of your viewpoint
)No need for any long explanation, I'm just wondering how you are seeing the phrase "and in the midst of the week" (time-wise, in your viewpoint). Thanks!
I think he means that we are "caught up TOGETHER WITH" them (WHEN THEY are "caught up") which is AT ONE POINT IN TIME (for both components); versus a "ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE, O ye children of Israel" that takes place for THEM (and is parallel passage to Matt24:29-31 [and Romans 11, parts]), Isa27:12-13,9 (with v.9 corresponding with both Dan9:24 ["upon THY people, and upon THY holy city" (etc)] and Romans 11:26-27 regarding "Israel"... that is, Israel's FUTURE)
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I forget... If you don't mind repeating , could you remind me what your understanding of the phrase "in the midst of the week" refers to (what time-slot)... iow, it could be expressed, "in the midst of the 7-yr 'Week'"... Also, what are you saying took place at that point, if 34ad is the final / 70th "Week [of seven years]" and ENDS it (if I'm understanding you correctly).
If I'm recalling correctly, you believe "in the midst of the week" means that there is either no second part of that "week," or that that part alone is relegated to the "far future" fulfillment (I forget if your view is either of these, or neither and is something else entirely... my apologies for not remembering every detail of your viewpoint ) { No apology necessary - I do not always remember "every detail" of the viewpoint of others either... }
No need for any long explanation, I'm just wondering how you are seeing the phrase "and in the midst of the week" (time-wise, in your viewpoint). Thanks!
, could you remind me what your understanding of the phrase "in the midst of the week" refers to (what time-slot)... iow, it could be expressed, "in the midst of the 7-yr 'Week'"... Also, what are you saying took place at that point, if 34ad is the final / 70th "Week [of seven years]" and ENDS it (if I'm understanding you correctly).If I'm recalling correctly, you believe "in the midst of the week" means that there is either no second part of that "week," or that that part alone is relegated to the "far future" fulfillment (I forget if your view is either of these, or neither and is something else entirely... my apologies for not remembering every detail of your viewpoint
) { No apology necessary - I do not always remember "every detail" of the viewpoint of others either... }No need for any long explanation, I'm just wondering how you are seeing the phrase "and in the midst of the week" (time-wise, in your viewpoint). Thanks!
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
Wrong again. It is called the harpazo.....being "snatched". By the very definition of the terms and idioms, you know it's gonna be quick. And once for all....as one body. Therefore I would guess as quickly as Jesus can get the job done. Like really fast.
But yea sure I could give it a few milliseconds of delay between the shout, the snatch and the translating. I have no problem with that. But I would guess the Jesus is not going to waste any time getting His bride into His bosom. No doubt about that.
But yea sure I could give it a few milliseconds of delay between the shout, the snatch and the translating. I have no problem with that. But I would guess the Jesus is not going to waste any time getting His bride into His bosom. No doubt about that.
I am not wrong. In general, I agree that "it probably will not take long"; however, I am not going to force the Bible to say something it does not actually say. And, the only thing it indicates occurs "in an instant" is what I described. It stands to reason that the 'gathering' will actually take comparatively longer than the 'change'. In other words, even a 'snatch' is significantly longer than a 'twinkle'.
For you to say since 34ad this world, or Israel, or anybody has enjoyed these things:
"finish the transgression" "make an end of sins" "bring in everlasting righteousness" etc etc
Is one of many many reasons that I find your bizarre version of eschatology not in the least credible. For you make those kinds of claims about supposedly fulfilled prophecy is absurd.
"finish the transgression" "make an end of sins" "bring in everlasting righteousness" etc etc
Is one of many many reasons that I find your bizarre version of eschatology not in the least credible. For you make those kinds of claims about supposedly fulfilled prophecy is absurd.
There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period.
The erroneous idea that there is such a thing comes from the severe misinterpretation of Daniel 9.
The prophecy of Matthew 24 - as well as that of Revelation - has a span of ~2000 years - not 7 years.
Matthew 24:29 is describing events in a time frame that includes the Two Witnesses - including the Trumpet Events and after that for a bit - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"...
The two witnesses [actually] cause the Trumpet Events to come about.
Matthew 24:30 is referring to Jesus appearing at the Second Coming of Christ.
Matthew 24:31 is referring to the rapture of the saints.
The erroneous idea that there is such a thing comes from the severe misinterpretation of Daniel 9.
The prophecy of Matthew 24 - as well as that of Revelation - has a span of ~2000 years - not 7 years.
Matthew 24:29 is describing events in a time frame that includes the Two Witnesses - including the Trumpet Events and after that for a bit - "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"...
The two witnesses [actually] cause the Trumpet Events to come about.
Matthew 24:30 is referring to Jesus appearing at the Second Coming of Christ.
Matthew 24:31 is referring to the rapture of the saints.