Born Again and Salvation—Are They The Same Thing?

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ResidentAlien

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In other words: Can a person be "born again" but not saved?
 

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I believe so. The mindset of the unsaved is, "Let us and eat and drink and... for tomorrow we die." However, the saved mindset is different. Having grasped the eternal, we no longer feel the urgent need to "get it all in" and check everything off on the bucket list before we die. We have life and life more abundantly. We can actually take time to smell the roses, seeing that we do have forever.
 
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ResidentAlien

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I believe so. The mindset of the unsaved is, "Let us and eat and drink and... for tomorrow we die." However, the saved mindset is different. Having grasped the eternal, we no longer feel the urgent need to "get it all in" and check everything off on the bucket list before we die. We have life and life more abundantly. We can actually take time to smell the roses, seeing that we do have forever.
I don't understand what this has to do with the born again experience and salvation. Is there something here I'm missing that explains the differences or similarities between the two? That was my question.
 

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I believe so. The mindset of the unsaved is, "Let us and eat and drink and... for tomorrow we die." However, the saved mindset is different. Having grasped the eternal, we no longer feel the urgent need to "get it all in" and check everything off on the bucket list before we die. We have life and life more abundantly. We can actually take time to smell the roses, seeing that we do have forever.

Actually, the phrase "Let us drink..." is the mindset of the "would-be-without-hope" Paul, rather than that of the unsaved.
 
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In other words: Can a person be "born again" but not saved?
Greetings and peace to you, neighbour. The scriptures testify that except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. And a man is born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. And of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. When you are born again by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever, then you will be given power to become a son of God. As it is written, as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Because it is it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

And how do you become a son of God? Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. This is why the apostles preached since the day of pentecost: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, save yourselves from this untoward generation.

This is how you are born of water and of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God. Because baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

And receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost which will cause you to speak with tongues, and magnify God. As it is written, they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. As it is written, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

And this baptism, being born of water and of the Spirit, is the baptism of the New Testament. For there is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

How can you enter that which you cannot see?
 

ResidentAlien

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Greetings and peace to you, neighbour. The scriptures testify that except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. And a man is born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. And of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. When you are born again by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever, then you will be given power to become a son of God. As it is written, as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Because it is it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

And how do you become a son of God? Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. This is why the apostles preached since the day of pentecost: Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, save yourselves from this untoward generation.

This is how you are born of water and of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God. Because baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

And receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost which will cause you to speak with tongues, and magnify God. As it is written, they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. As it is written, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

And this baptism, being born of water and of the Spirit, is the baptism of the New Testament. For there is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

How can you enter that which you cannot see?
TMI
 

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I tend to look at salvation as "past, present AND future".

In other words, it's accurate to say that you HAVE BEEN saved, you are BEING saved and that you WILL be saved.

And I think those three tenses correspond to: justification, sanctification and glorification.

Being "born again" is equivalent to "justification". So in that sense, you HAVE BEEN saved when you accept Christ as Savior.
 

ResidentAlien

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I tend to look at salvation as "past, present AND future".

In other words, it's accurate to say that you HAVE BEEN saved, you are BEING saved and that you WILL be saved.

And I think those three tenses correspond to: justification, sanctification and glorification.

Being "born again" is equivalent to "justification". So in that sense, you HAVE BEEN saved when you accept Christ as Savior.
Wow, you took the words out of my mouth. Being born again is the first step. Salvation is ongoing. I wouldn't say I'm "saved" (past tense). I'm not truly saved until I hear the words "well done good and faithful servant."
 
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Wow, you took the words out of my mouth. Being born again is the first step. Salvation is ongoing. I wouldn't say I'm "saved" (past tense). I'm not truly saved until I hear the words "well done good and faithful servant."
amen brother being born again is the beginning of a new life

just like being born is the beginning of our life

it’s just the starting point for a new life within Christ rather than outside him
 

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Wow, you took the words out of my mouth. Being born again is the first step. Salvation is ongoing. I wouldn't
say I'm "saved" (past tense). I'm not truly saved until I hear the words "well done good and faithful servant."

1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47
We can know we are saved, because we know we have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-13 + John 6:47
:)
 

Magenta

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John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
If you know God, you can know you are saved.
 

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Wow, you took the words out of my mouth. Being born again is the first step. Salvation is ongoing. I wouldn't say I'm "saved" (past tense). I'm not truly saved until I hear the words "well done good and faithful servant."
A person is saved when they accept the gift of salvation.

It is a complete action on the part of God, justified, redeemed, sanctified.

Titus3:5
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
 

Magenta

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A person is saved when they accept the gift of salvation.

It is a complete action on the part of God, justified, redeemed, sanctified.

Titus3:5 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according
to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Titus3-4-5
:)
 

ResidentAlien

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A person is saved when they accept the gift of salvation.

It is a complete action on the part of God, justified, redeemed, sanctified.

Titus3:5
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
The New Testament consists of a lot more than one verse. This verse is talking about the born again experience. This happens when one is initially "saved." But the New Testament as a whole is very clear that our salvation isn't complete till the end. You seem to have fallen into the trap so many others have: that is, it's one and done. No one can read the New Testament objectively and arrive at this conclusion. It has to be put in their head by books, commentaries or a preacher.