Did Jesus Forgive Us All Our Sins; Past/Present/Future
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I quoted Jesus in John 3:18 to Nicodemus and every other unbeliever since.
Unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the Son of God.
However, some fake lost preacher could enter an assembly and mislead some believers into thinking they were no longer saved. That happened even in the first church plants addressed by Paul. If those people die in doubt about their salvation, because they are young and gullible, they go to heaven. Once you are saved, you are always saved....to quote my detractors.
God knows those who are his.
Unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the Son of God.
However, some fake lost preacher could enter an assembly and mislead some believers into thinking they were no longer saved. That happened even in the first church plants addressed by Paul. If those people die in doubt about their salvation, because they are young and gullible, they go to heaven. Once you are saved, you are always saved....to quote my detractors.
God knows those who are his.
The Lord's blood is like a lifetime supply of laundry detergent. If you get dirty you must clean the clothes. But a person who has been saved and then sins can still be forgiven (cleansed from that sin). There is no once for all you are free from your sinful nature. However, if you set your mind on the Spirit by means of prayer, the word, fellowship, worship, etc. then little by little the Spirit will become stronger than your flesh. Even so, the two will war till the day you die.
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op: ALL sins forgiven?
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided.
I believe the answer is "ALL sins Are Forgiven ONCE Forever,"
Because of The Eternal Relationship God Stablishes With us:
GRACE And Peace, And JOY...
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat.
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided.
I believe the answer is "ALL sins Are Forgiven ONCE Forever,"
Because of The Eternal Relationship God Stablishes With us:
GRACE And Peace, And JOY...
John 3:18
The one continuing to believe (Greek present tense) is not continually being condemned (Greek present tense); the one not continuing to believe (Greek present tense) has already been condemned with ongoing results (Greek perfect tense) because he has not believed with ongoing results (Greek perfect tense) in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
A beautiful clear verse: for me, I am going to continue to believe and to cling to Jesus Christ!
The one continuing to believe (Greek present tense) is not continually being condemned (Greek present tense); the one not continuing to believe (Greek present tense) has already been condemned with ongoing results (Greek perfect tense) because he has not believed with ongoing results (Greek perfect tense) in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
A beautiful clear verse: for me, I am going to continue to believe and to cling to Jesus Christ!
God does not give us a reason to stop believing. The only reason one would not “continue” tp believe is that they never had faith to begin one (they had mere belief) or if they found God to be untrustworthy (which will never happen if they are truly saved)
Once again, John said they were never of us, if they were of us, they never would have left in unbelief (denying christ)
Why you continue to reject the omniscience of God and claim he gives eternal life to someone he KNOWS will one day stop believing is dumbfounding God is not dumn, He is not going to one day. And look and say. Wow I did not see that happen (joe stopping believing in me) now I have to take my eternal life back.
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Once again, John said they were never of us, if they were of us, they never would have left in unbelief (denying christ)
Why you continue to reject the omniscience of God and claim he gives eternal life to someone he KNOWS will one day stop believing is dumbfounding God is not dumn, He is not going to one day. And look and say. Wow I did not see that happen (joe stopping believing in me) now I have to take my eternal life back.
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Whoever believes. Present tense. It is not whever CONTINUES TO BELIEVE. It is whoever IS IN A STATE OF BELIEVING
HAS eternal life
If the present state of believing could ever stop. They God would not give them ETERNAL LIFE. A state he says THEY HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION.. He would give them conditional life.. Conditioned on the fact they must continue to believe..
HAS eternal life
If the present state of believing could ever stop. They God would not give them ETERNAL LIFE. A state he says THEY HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION.. He would give them conditional life.. Conditioned on the fact they must continue to believe..
he’s forgiven the sins we leave behind us
“whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Romans 3:25
and he has given us a new testement to deal with times we fail to walk right it requires us to repent and acknolwedge what we have done , like David did , and he’s promised to forgive those who repent as long as we are merciful we can expect mercy going forward everything we’ve done is forgiven now we have to live under this law
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
This isn’t Moses law it’s the gospel . It’s what Jesus is teaching us who come to him and believe
the cross is the atonement for all sin , when we accept Jesus the atonement t has already been made now we just need to hear and believe his word in order to walk in him anew we have to learn the new testsment
we’ve all sinned already now we need to all repent what we leave behind God leaves behind and if we have mercy we will receive mercy now
Paul makes it really clear in many places
“But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:18-21 KJV
we’ve all done some things that are sinful before oaul
Is explaining we cannot keep
Living like tbat and expect salvation we have to start hearing and believing the lords word so we can come to repentance
if I take Paul’s letters and omit anything he says about repentance and just repeat grace verses it’s distorting the message in all his epistles he says it in all of them
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
ongoing sin is something we need to deal with when we recognize what we’re doing sometimes we don’t know something is sin but then we learn about it to en we need to repent of it
we’re here now
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:6-10
we can’t hide our sins now we have to acknolwedge them so he can cleanse us. We have a New Testament that deals with sin and the atonement is the source of forgiveness not the process
“whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Romans 3:25
and he has given us a new testement to deal with times we fail to walk right it requires us to repent and acknolwedge what we have done , like David did , and he’s promised to forgive those who repent as long as we are merciful we can expect mercy going forward everything we’ve done is forgiven now we have to live under this law
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
This isn’t Moses law it’s the gospel . It’s what Jesus is teaching us who come to him and believe
the cross is the atonement for all sin , when we accept Jesus the atonement t has already been made now we just need to hear and believe his word in order to walk in him anew we have to learn the new testsment
we’ve all sinned already now we need to all repent what we leave behind God leaves behind and if we have mercy we will receive mercy now
Paul makes it really clear in many places
“But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:18-21 KJV
we’ve all done some things that are sinful before oaul
Is explaining we cannot keep
Living like tbat and expect salvation we have to start hearing and believing the lords word so we can come to repentance
if I take Paul’s letters and omit anything he says about repentance and just repeat grace verses it’s distorting the message in all his epistles he says it in all of them
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7 KJV
ongoing sin is something we need to deal with when we recognize what we’re doing sometimes we don’t know something is sin but then we learn about it to en we need to repent of it
we’re here now
“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:6-10
we can’t hide our sins now we have to acknolwedge them so he can cleanse us. We have a New Testament that deals with sin and the atonement is the source of forgiveness not the process
For God so loved the world that whoseover believeth (Greek present tense) in him should not perish, but has (Greek present tense) eternal life. John 3:16
The one who believes has eternal life.
The one who does not believe does not have eternal life.
Those two facts are quite clear in Scripture. I know that I believe and I know that I have eternal life.
The one who believes has eternal life.
The one who does not believe does not have eternal life.
Those two facts are quite clear in Scripture. I know that I believe and I know that I have eternal life.
What is eternal life? What did Jesus mean when He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life"?
Jesus Himself said in John 17:3: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Eternal life is about knowing God - it is a relationship with the Father, with the Creator!
Thus it is quite clear that the one who believes has eternal life.
The one who does not believe does not have eternal life.
Jesus Himself said in John 17:3: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
Eternal life is about knowing God - it is a relationship with the Father, with the Creator!
Thus it is quite clear that the one who believes has eternal life.
The one who does not believe does not have eternal life.