AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) is Satanic!!

[persistent]

I think the 12 step groups in the churches I went to were called Celebrate Recovery. I can't say that I know anything about that except what was told to me. It was formatted after AA, but had a Biblical emphasis. I found that nearly every subject taught will have the teacher's religious, metaphysical, or focus brought into it.

I only recently heard of this group. A Mennonite preacher in Lombard, IL., mentioned it to me about 2or 3 months ago. All these 12 step programs seem to operate autonomously. Each group is independent as far as I know. I have never been to any Celebrate Recovery meetings but have been to some pretty unusual AA meetings. e.g. First Nations Meeting was a little different. If CR meetings follow AA the way it happens is the group may grow big enough to split. Or a part of an existing group will split over some dispute. e.g. Personality conflicts or the way the meeting is run or ???? On occasion a group will throw some one out but that is rare. When I started K came down to the club where she got me started and just a few minutes there she says, "no wonder you like this place, they're all crazy like you". LOL.....LOL..... She put up with a lot with me, NOW i feel bad!!!

 

[persistent]

I've also had church people, cousins, offer alcohol to my family member who had gone through hell losing his family and given it up cold turkey. Years went by and I was soooo mad to learn that they gave a bottle of wine and a friend gave a pack of beer imports. All Catholics... Next thing was back to the addiction. Broke my heart and nearly killed him from mineral depletion and organ failure.

I think the Catholics are the worst offenders in this way but then my family were all RC:s.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I think the Catholics are the worst offenders in this way but then my family were all RC:s.

You know what I mean.
It's a common theme unfortunately.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I only recently heard of this group. A Mennonite preacher in Lombard, IL., mentioned it to me about 2or 3 months ago. All these 12 step programs seem to operate autonomously. Each group is independent as far as I know. I have never been to any Celebrate Recovery meetings but have been to some pretty unusual AA meetings. e.g. First Nations Meeting was a little different. If CR meetings follow AA the way it happens is the group may grow big enough to split. Or a part of an existing group will split over some dispute. e.g. Personality conflicts or the way the meeting is run or ???? On occasion a group will throw some one out but that is rare. When I started K came down to the club where she got me started and just a few minutes there she says, "no wonder you like this place, they're all crazy like you". LOL.....LOL..... She put up with a lot with me, NOW i feel bad!!!

When they are all autonomous, I guess there's a lot of room for adapting the format to personal needs and beliefs.

 

[persistent]

When they are all autonomous, I guess there's a lot of room for adapting the format to personal needs and beliefs.

Just as you mentioned in the other post. In Calif. they would call some person who wanted to set themselves up as the "guru". Some time get books of there own. No longer AA. I think that's what you ran into. Happens all over but AA has Central and possibly regional offices that are supposed to somewhat monitor meetings but it's pretty loose and maybe even morphs over time. I've never paid close attention there but New York used to be and possibly still is the main office. If you want better info and find a local real AA group you might get a copy of the publication the 'Grapevine'. I only talk by phone with some members here and never about the way AA overall is operating. But considering what you may be thinking about it might be worth getting hold of a copy of the 'Grapevine'.

 

[Dude653]

Tin foil hat nonsense

 

[ResidentAlien]

AA and Christianity are definitely not compatible. The mere fact that so many "Christian churches" have adopted the 12 step recovery model is a clear sign of how far the church has fallen into delusion.

" . . . having a form of godliness but denying its power." 2 Timothy 3:5

 

[akaDorthy]

Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way.

"They were born that way"...
hmmm, now where have we heard THAT line before?
Why pussy foot around it?
Why not be straight forth and call sin "sin"?
They were not simply "born that way".
If programs that appear to be designed as "Christian organizations" to "help people" would simply acknowledge generational sin, and deal with i right away, people would not have to go through the hell and agony that "detox" (aka man made approaches) puts them through.
Acknowledge the generational sins and deal with that, since after all they were "born that way".

 

[Magenta]

"They were born that way"...
hmmm, now where have we heard THAT line before?
Why pussy foot around it?
Why not be straight forth and call sin "sin"?
They were not simply "born that way".
If programs that appear to be designed as "Christian organizations" to "help people" would simply acknowledge generational sin, and deal with i right away, people would not have to go through the hell and agony that "detox" (aka man made approaches) puts them through.
Acknowledge the generational sins and deal with that, since after all they were "born that way".

Yes, people are born that way: enemies of God and hostile toward Him.

 

[persistent]

Yes, people are born that way: enemies of God and hostile toward Him.

I like where this is going. Is the little bit of history of Cain and Able indicative of being hostile by birth? What are the terms we use today, eugenics vs ?. Maybe no longer in vogue. Environment vs genetics?

 

[Dude653]

AA is a place where people who are struggling with alcohol addiction can fellowship and encourage each other. I don't see anything satanic about that
As for, "born that way" it's entirely plausible that some people are born with a genetic predisposition to addiction

 

[persistent]

You know what I mean.
It's a common theme unfortunately.

An AA meeting I was attending here for some time was often turned into a penny ante card game. Not the first time I saw this happen.

 

[persistent]

AA is a place where people who are struggling with alcohol addiction can fellowship and encourage each other. I don't see anything satanic about that
As for, "born that way" it's entirely plausible that some people are born with a genetic predisposition to addiction

Familiar with Eric Kandel?

 

[Dude653]

Familiar with Eric Kandel?

I don't know anything about him except the fact I googled him and it says he's a neuroscientist

 

[Magenta]

I like where this is going. Is the little bit of history of Cain and Able indicative of being hostile by birth?
What are the terms we use today, eugenics vs ?. Maybe no longer in vogue. Environment vs genetics?

Meeting people halfway does not mean we kowtow to them or give them the lead, nor do we force them to do anything. Willingness is key, after all. Even so, those who are seeking help often take time to relinquish the reins of their lives to others, even a non-threatening "Higher Power." As is said: sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. Just as our sanctification following coming to believe is a process, so are they engaged in the process of coming to believe. We stand by to witness to them, that working the steps will bring relief from the insanity and unmanageability in their lives that is causing so much guilt, pain, shame, and wreckage... and to encourage them, and inspire them to get up when they fall down... to keep going against the odds, for some have fallen very far down, though none are beyond the reach of God. Who better than those who have been delivered from such debilitating snares to share their experiences, strength, and hope, with those who seek freedom from the same addictions? Miracles happen. Don't leave five minutes before one happens for you! Keep coming back

 

[persistent]

Some years ago Eric Kandel presented some of his work on PBS's Charlie Rose program. He seemed to be making some progress in the understanding of how's and why's of human behavior including research of addiction and addictive tendencies. To me, some of his research possibly supports the 'doctor's opinion' of the Big Book.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

This thread someone revived, brought back some memories as I'm sure many of us have with personal, family or friends addictions. The pain accompanying those experiences and memories make this an emotional subject. We all have looked for help in a number of places and people. I am of the belief that the Bible provides the solutions to addictions. Most are preventive warnings, as in Proverbs, but Christ is available to help all once a person places their faith in Him alone.
Once I did that, I became more selective to my sources of information. I didn't always adhere to that, but became more discerning with growth. I mentioned having a family member who attended for a time. They didn't like it , but I was more concerned about whether it agreed with Biblical teaching and the true God as it clearly defines His attributes.

I hold absolutely no animosity towards those involved in AA or any other program. Compassion is the key term here.
Since I was reminded by this revived thread, I decided to refresh my memory on the subject. I found videos and a handful of articles. I don't have time or need to read the Big Book again or become highly aware of AA and like programs now. I have finally found a well documented article. The writing style suffers somewhat, but content provided makes it worth the 15 minutes or less to read. I will post it here for anyone's edification. The second half is a quick read for anyone with less interest, but trying to decide on Biblical grounds about those who started the AA program. Again, this is no reflection upon it's membership. I doubt if 99% are even aware of the issues and even fewer members would be believers would be aware of problems as we would with such practices of the founders.
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Alcoholiccs Anonymous

Many blessings in Christ

PS:. The Lord eventually did deliver the family member from alcohol and separately saved him before he left. The Lord is kind.

 

[Dude653]

Some years ago Eric Kandel presented some of his work on PBS's Charlie Rose program. He seemed to be making some progress in the understanding of how's and why's of human behavior including research of addiction and addictive tendencies. To me, some of his research possibly supports the 'doctor's opinion' of the Big Book.

So he talked about the science behind chemical addiction which could be helpful in treating said addiction but people are mad because he didn't believe the bible?

 

[persistent]

Meeting people halfway does not mean we kowtow to them or give them the lead, nor do we force them to do anything. Willingness is key, after all. Even so, those who are seeking help often take time to relinquish the reins of their lives to others, even a non-threatening "Higher Power." As is said: sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. Just as our sanctification following coming to believe is a process, so are they engaged in the process of coming to believe. We stand by to witness to them, that working the steps will bring relief from the insanity and unmanageability in their lives that is causing so much guilt, pain, shame, and wreckage... and to encourage them, and inspire them to get up when they fall down... to keep going against the odds, for some have fallen very far down, though none are beyond the reach of God. Who better than those who have been delivered from such debilitating snares to share their experiences, strength, and hope, with those who seek freedom from the same addictions? Miracles happen. Don't leave five minutes before one happens for you! Keep coming back

My gut tells me this is a mystery which our science will never resolve and the medical field will keep investigating and come up with patches, some effective, some not so effective. There was Shick/Schadel years ago. I ran into one person that tried it. He was unable to drink or smell 7up after treatment. My own unintentional S/S treatment with 5th of Scotch was more effective than S/S. However, I switched to other liquors so overall S/S treatment was big loser.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Some years ago Eric Kandel presented some of his work on PBS's Charlie Rose program. He seemed to be making some progress in the understanding of how's and why's of human behavior including research of addiction and addictive tendencies. To me, some of his research possibly supports the 'doctor's opinion' of the Big Book.

From my study, there is usually a physical problem that needs correction and there are also those that affect the soul and spirit of each individual. I'm not an expert on addictive personality disorders or chemical dependencies, but have seen success within my circle of influence. God Himself has all knowledge and power. Knowing Him provides a great benefit.