Christians response to gay marriage?
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No! KJV English is literally a different version of English, I'm also fluent in French, but when in Moncton New Brunswick. I could barely understand the French. I thought it was me, but I met a man from Lyon, France, who taught accounting at the French University there, We had a good laugh, in French, about what happened when he started teaching there. He taught the first class in French & no one said a word. At the end of the class he asked the students if they understood him(He spoke beautifully, my grandmother was from France, I know a good accent!)
One student finally volunteered, in English, that not one of those native NB French speakers understood him, he taught the test of the year in English, and went west. Because it was such a different language! My grandmother did the same! She came to Canada as a war bride who lived near the front lines during WWI, married to my Canadian soldier grandfather. They were going to settle in Quebec, but she couldn't understand the French, so they settled in Alberta!
Instead, KJ English or early modern is several steps removed from contemporary English. In the 1960's, it was proper British spellings and blackboards full of grammar, for me. My writing style is good, but more formal than most people. I am a product of what I was taught. And second person singular was not taught. I don't know how to check if the verb endings are correct in early moden English! Nor all those archaic words nor the obsolete ones. I will never hear anywhere, plus the fact that the KJ translators tried to parallel Greek word order, which uses cares for importance. Meaning it is actually very bad English in many places. As my Greek professor used to say, " the receiving language is more important than the sending language!" I much prefer Koine Greek, which I have learned and understand, .than the old dead language of Early Modern English!
In fact, because I have such an extensive understanding of grammar in English, French, German. Greek etc, I am humble enough to admit when I do not have a good understanding of something I was never taught. Even Spurgeon, from the 18th century is hard for me to read fluently! Why would I be expected to understand a period of English I have never studied, and don't want to learn?
The fact is, most people who read KJ English, don't really understand it, which is why so many bad doctrines have been created from one misunderstood verse. or another! The fact is, illiteracy or low education levels means a lot of people don't undetstand modern English. So, it's normal for them not to understand half of what they read, in early modern or contemporary English. So when they say they understand it as well as modern English they probably do, cause they don't understand or read modern English! I would love to include you & all the KJV Onlyists to an exam. Multiple Choice, asking for definitions from words in the KJV, as well as simple grammar questions. I bet more than half would fail, proving they don't really understand the English, but basically guess/bluff their way through!
But then, the OP''s understanding of literacy is probably compromised, too! Probably anti-education, too. I'm just glad I am smart enough to recognize what I do know, from what I do not! So please feel free to carry on with your insults and ignorance. There are none so blind as those who cannot see!
One student finally volunteered, in English, that not one of those native NB French speakers understood him, he taught the test of the year in English, and went west. Because it was such a different language! My grandmother did the same! She came to Canada as a war bride who lived near the front lines during WWI, married to my Canadian soldier grandfather. They were going to settle in Quebec, but she couldn't understand the French, so they settled in Alberta!
Instead, KJ English or early modern is several steps removed from contemporary English. In the 1960's, it was proper British spellings and blackboards full of grammar, for me. My writing style is good, but more formal than most people. I am a product of what I was taught. And second person singular was not taught. I don't know how to check if the verb endings are correct in early moden English! Nor all those archaic words nor the obsolete ones. I will never hear anywhere, plus the fact that the KJ translators tried to parallel Greek word order, which uses cares for importance. Meaning it is actually very bad English in many places. As my Greek professor used to say, " the receiving language is more important than the sending language!" I much prefer Koine Greek, which I have learned and understand, .than the old dead language of Early Modern English!
In fact, because I have such an extensive understanding of grammar in English, French, German. Greek etc, I am humble enough to admit when I do not have a good understanding of something I was never taught. Even Spurgeon, from the 18th century is hard for me to read fluently! Why would I be expected to understand a period of English I have never studied, and don't want to learn?
The fact is, most people who read KJ English, don't really understand it, which is why so many bad doctrines have been created from one misunderstood verse. or another! The fact is, illiteracy or low education levels means a lot of people don't undetstand modern English. So, it's normal for them not to understand half of what they read, in early modern or contemporary English. So when they say they understand it as well as modern English they probably do, cause they don't understand or read modern English! I would love to include you & all the KJV Onlyists to an exam. Multiple Choice, asking for definitions from words in the KJV, as well as simple grammar questions. I bet more than half would fail, proving they don't really understand the English, but basically guess/bluff their way through!
But then, the OP''s understanding of literacy is probably compromised, too! Probably anti-education, too. I'm just glad I am smart enough to recognize what I do know, from what I do not! So please feel free to carry on with your insults and ignorance. There are none so blind as those who cannot see!
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Wow! Just wow!
So what happened before 1611 AD? No KJV, for 1600 years! Those people ignorant? God just ignored them? No one was saved, or served God?
If you want to ask what language God used with his writers. You would be better off knowing Hebrew and Aramaic, and Koine Greek! Those are the real languages the Bible was REALLY written in. Early Modern English is a dead language. It would be forgotten if it were not for 2 factors:
1, the KJV
2. Shakespeare but he is easier to understand, because he used proper English wird order, unlike the mixed up KJV!
What about the billions of people who don't speak English now, or in the past!?
It really boogled my mind to hear what a terrible cult you are trapped in! So sorry for your ignorance! If you want to read the KJ version, I say do it! The best Bible is one that is read. I figure my 60 times through various English translations, French and German, as well as many times through the Koine Greek for the NT, some LXX and books of the OT gives me a bit of an edge over 16th century, badly translated text,!
This place just keeps on getting stupider! Or is that just a reflection of what is going on in our 21st century culture!? Truly as dumb as "woke culture!" Not saying that about the KJV. But the Onlyists who come up with nonsense like 15th. English is the Holy Spirit's language!! Like God doesn't know every single language that has existed, exists and will exist. Such a small god you serve!
So what happened before 1611 AD? No KJV, for 1600 years! Those people ignorant? God just ignored them? No one was saved, or served God?
If you want to ask what language God used with his writers. You would be better off knowing Hebrew and Aramaic, and Koine Greek! Those are the real languages the Bible was REALLY written in. Early Modern English is a dead language. It would be forgotten if it were not for 2 factors:
1, the KJV
2. Shakespeare but he is easier to understand, because he used proper English wird order, unlike the mixed up KJV!
What about the billions of people who don't speak English now, or in the past!?
It really boogled my mind to hear what a terrible cult you are trapped in! So sorry for your ignorance! If you want to read the KJ version, I say do it! The best Bible is one that is read. I figure my 60 times through various English translations, French and German, as well as many times through the Koine Greek for the NT, some LXX and books of the OT gives me a bit of an edge over 16th century, badly translated text,!
This place just keeps on getting stupider! Or is that just a reflection of what is going on in our 21st century culture!? Truly as dumb as "woke culture!" Not saying that about the KJV. But the Onlyists who come up with nonsense like 15th. English is the Holy Spirit's language!! Like God doesn't know every single language that has existed, exists and will exist. Such a small god you serve!
Angela,
You are probably more literate than the rest of us if you speak seven languages fluently.
Perhaps you would be best sticking with the TR if you read and comprehend Koine Greek better than Elizabethan English?
Few Greek seminary professors can speak Greek fluently, so that would put you one up on James White and his critical text friends.
I have posted a link for you below. This pastor and a few others put their rudimentary modern Greek to use in Cypress on a mission trip to lead Greek speaking nationals to Christ using their own Bible. He was a featured preacher in a documentary called, Going Back to the Greek.
He addresses the archaic words of the KJV in this sermon and a few other places with other details. I think this was a Sunday sermon, so it's fairly basic.
Archaic Words of the KJV
You are probably more literate than the rest of us if you speak seven languages fluently.
Perhaps you would be best sticking with the TR if you read and comprehend Koine Greek better than Elizabethan English?
Few Greek seminary professors can speak Greek fluently, so that would put you one up on James White and his critical text friends.
I have posted a link for you below. This pastor and a few others put their rudimentary modern Greek to use in Cypress on a mission trip to lead Greek speaking nationals to Christ using their own Bible. He was a featured preacher in a documentary called, Going Back to the Greek.
He addresses the archaic words of the KJV in this sermon and a few other places with other details. I think this was a Sunday sermon, so it's fairly basic.
Archaic Words of the KJV
I think a lot of you need to mature in your walk with Christ ------
Jesus understood how the world worked ------and never refused anyone to hear His word ---nor does He refuse anyone to accept His free offering of Salvation -----Gay --Mass Murderers or Murders ---Rapist---Paedophile --- Thiefs-- Polygamist - --etc ---we have a choice to accept or reject His free offer
You are all one under Christ Jesus ----all unbelievers who are straight ---will be rejected by God ---and that includes all of these people Gay --mass Murderer ---Rapist---paedophile --- thief --- polygamist -etc --- who Reject Jesus as their Lord and Saviour----will perish ----
God shows no Favoritism to anyone and that is scriptural ----either you receive His Son and are Heaven bound or you reject His Son and are Hell bound -----
Do you not think there were all theses people mixed in with the straight people who came to hear Jesus Preach ----Jesus never ever said that certain people were rejected from being in His crowd ----
Jesus ate and mingled with sinners --he came to save the lost --
If you have the Holy Spirit indwelling in you ----you are called to love all people even your enemies ---you don't have to like what they do or how they live but you are to Agape the person -----
If you have a critical Spirit that does not come from God -----that comes from Satan
read all for yourselves
Overcoming a Critical Spirit
By: Shannon Kay McCoy
https://www.biblicalcounselingcoalition.org/2014/10/16/overcoming-a-critical-spirit/
Do you criticize and pass judgment on others? Do you find yourself with a negative disposition, always finding fault with something or someone? Is it difficult for you to see the positive in a person or a situation because the negative is so glaring in your eye? Are you compelled to give your critical point of view for the good of all mankind?
If you answered yes to one of these questions, then you have a critical spirit and you are in danger. Not getting hit-by-a-truck-kind-of-danger, but an even more serious kind—and that is spiritual danger. A critical spirit is from the dark side. It is meant to hurt and destroy its object
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Jesus came to bridge the gap of name calling and division for anyone who receives Him in their hearts no matter how they lived on this earth -----
Jesus understood how the world worked ------and never refused anyone to hear His word ---nor does He refuse anyone to accept His free offering of Salvation -----Gay --Mass Murderers or Murders ---Rapist---Paedophile --- Thiefs-- Polygamist - --etc ---we have a choice to accept or reject His free offer
You are all one under Christ Jesus ----all unbelievers who are straight ---will be rejected by God ---and that includes all of these people Gay --mass Murderer ---Rapist---paedophile --- thief --- polygamist -etc --- who Reject Jesus as their Lord and Saviour----will perish ----
God shows no Favoritism to anyone and that is scriptural ----either you receive His Son and are Heaven bound or you reject His Son and are Hell bound -----
Do you not think there were all theses people mixed in with the straight people who came to hear Jesus Preach ----Jesus never ever said that certain people were rejected from being in His crowd ----
Jesus ate and mingled with sinners --he came to save the lost --
If you have the Holy Spirit indwelling in you ----you are called to love all people even your enemies ---you don't have to like what they do or how they live but you are to Agape the person -----
If you have a critical Spirit that does not come from God -----that comes from Satan
read all for yourselves
Overcoming a Critical Spirit
By: Shannon Kay McCoy
https://www.biblicalcounselingcoalition.org/2014/10/16/overcoming-a-critical-spirit/
Do you criticize and pass judgment on others? Do you find yourself with a negative disposition, always finding fault with something or someone? Is it difficult for you to see the positive in a person or a situation because the negative is so glaring in your eye? Are you compelled to give your critical point of view for the good of all mankind?
If you answered yes to one of these questions, then you have a critical spirit and you are in danger. Not getting hit-by-a-truck-kind-of-danger, but an even more serious kind—and that is spiritual danger. A critical spirit is from the dark side. It is meant to hurt and destroy its object
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i say
Jesus came to bridge the gap of name calling and division for anyone who receives Him in their hearts no matter how they lived on this earth -----
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A pastor I knew used to constantly criticize and "correct" the Bible with his own translation of the critical text. His constant mocking made in me concerned about whether certain members of his congregation believed in Christ. There were those who didn't like me mentioning where we are saved from, even when witnessing to their family members who didn't attend. Then I found out why I never heard him talk about hell. He came out of the closet as a universalist.
That reminds me of the last thing that was
said to us.
" I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
That's an open invitation to "whosoever will" to be saved through Jesus.
Then He gives a very Stern warning to those who add to or take away from the inspired Words of God. There are a LOT of translations and paraphrases that are marketed as God's Holy Word. They can't all be correct.
That reminds me of the last thing that was
said to us.
" I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
That's an open invitation to "whosoever will" to be saved through Jesus.
Then He gives a very Stern warning to those who add to or take away from the inspired Words of God. There are a LOT of translations and paraphrases that are marketed as God's Holy Word. They can't all be correct.
In the first place, I think the TR is a faulty, late phenomena. The added words make it highly inaccurate. The TR basically arose the 8-10th AD. It was totally unrelated to any of the other 4 families. So 1000 years or so, after the time of Christ, a new family started out of nothing! It was copied thousands of time, with textual errors copied and passed down to next generation of texts. Read about textual criticism, it will help. But because it was copied so many times, by the Byzantine monks & helped, there are more copies than any other family of manuscripts. But it doesn't make them right.
As for the pastor that went to Cyprus, that is great. I don't speak modern Greek, but a great for him! I'm sorry I will never be able to go on mission, it was something I always wanted to do. My health is very poor after 26 years with severe Rheumatoid Arthritis. Besides joint damage, RA has damaged my heart and lungs, the meds have damaged my liver and kidneys. Tendons and ligaments also very damaged! I am very disabled these days, as well as aging! Not likely to do much traveling in the next few years. It's why I study languages! Something I keep busy with, from home.
I am not fluent in Ukrainian or Polish, yet. I started Ukrainian a year ago, although I was exposed to it lots by my grandparents growing up. I've master the sounds. Polish I only started in August, just learning. German I can understand almost everything, but I don't speak it as well as I would like!
Thanks so much for your positive suggestions. I will view the link later, as I am visiting with my grandchildren right now!
As for the pastor that went to Cyprus, that is great. I don't speak modern Greek, but a great for him! I'm sorry I will never be able to go on mission, it was something I always wanted to do. My health is very poor after 26 years with severe Rheumatoid Arthritis. Besides joint damage, RA has damaged my heart and lungs, the meds have damaged my liver and kidneys. Tendons and ligaments also very damaged! I am very disabled these days, as well as aging! Not likely to do much traveling in the next few years. It's why I study languages! Something I keep busy with, from home.
I am not fluent in Ukrainian or Polish, yet. I started Ukrainian a year ago, although I was exposed to it lots by my grandparents growing up. I've master the sounds. Polish I only started in August, just learning. German I can understand almost everything, but I don't speak it as well as I would like!
Thanks so much for your positive suggestions. I will view the link later, as I am visiting with my grandchildren right now!
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I've been reading stuff from you for a long time, and I have to say that I have noticed you are very easily offended, and react way too quickly.
James 1:
19)Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. 20)Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires.
For example:
WHAT are you talking about?
You reacted so quickly that I think you quoted me, when you were meaning to say the above quote to someone else.
You miss the point in what is being said to you.
All I will say to you on this is that I don't serve a small god with a tiny "g".
"what about before 1611" you ask..... His spirit spoke then as it sill does now through EVERY tongue/language/translations.
If you're not understanding something from scripture, don't go jumping all over the poster for putting it in a translation you don't understand. For someone who brags about having so much knowledge, I would think you would have been wise enough to read the quoted verses in a translation you prefer BEFORE saying you don't understand and turning things into a KJV debate.
Perhaps you are only wise in your own eyes.
James 1:
19)Understand this, my dear brothers and sisters: You must all be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to get angry. 20)Human anger does not produce the righteousness God desires.
For example:
WHAT are you talking about?
You reacted so quickly that I think you quoted me, when you were meaning to say the above quote to someone else.
You miss the point in what is being said to you.
All I will say to you on this is that I don't serve a small god with a tiny "g".
"what about before 1611" you ask..... His spirit spoke then as it sill does now through EVERY tongue/language/translations.
If you're not understanding something from scripture, don't go jumping all over the poster for putting it in a translation you don't understand. For someone who brags about having so much knowledge, I would think you would have been wise enough to read the quoted verses in a translation you prefer BEFORE saying you don't understand and turning things into a KJV debate.
Perhaps you are only wise in your own eyes.
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Not really on topic, but I don't see how you could post point 2. The KJV is prose.
I just clipped a bit from Hamlet. To keep it on topic a little, this is where Hamlet gets on another guy's case for misinterpreting something he said as potentially 'gay.' Just 20 or 30 years ago, young people did not want to be accuse of such a thing. I didn't remember the guy who laughed at Hamlet was Rosencrantz. If I recall correctly, Hamlet changed out a letter to have him and Gildenstern killed in the play. Don't make gay jokes about the prince of Denmark!
But notice the obscure words and the odd word order. Much of the KJV, on the other hand, reads fairly like Late Modern English with a bunch of thee's and thou's and '-eth verb endings instead of 's'.
I just clipped a bit from Hamlet. To keep it on topic a little, this is where Hamlet gets on another guy's case for misinterpreting something he said as potentially 'gay.' Just 20 or 30 years ago, young people did not want to be accuse of such a thing. I didn't remember the guy who laughed at Hamlet was Rosencrantz. If I recall correctly, Hamlet changed out a letter to have him and Gildenstern killed in the play. Don't make gay jokes about the prince of Denmark!
But notice the obscure words and the odd word order. Much of the KJV, on the other hand, reads fairly like Late Modern English with a bunch of thee's and thou's and '-eth verb endings instead of 's'.
And yet, to me,
what is this quintessence of dust? man delights not
me: no, nor woman neither, though by your smiling
you seem to say so.
ROSENCRANTZwhat is this quintessence of dust? man delights not
me: no, nor woman neither, though by your smiling
you seem to say so.
My lord, there was no such stuff in my thoughts.
HAMLETWhy did you laugh then, when I said 'man delights not me'?
ROSENCRANTZTo think, my lord, if you delight not in man, what
lenten entertainment the players shall receive from
you: we coted them on the way; and hither are they
coming, to offer you service.
lenten entertainment the players shall receive from
you: we coted them on the way; and hither are they
coming, to offer you service.
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You said a mouthful there, no pun intended. I was talking to my sister this week. She said she pick up a kid that needed a ride home along with my nephew. She said from the minute she got in the car, all the child did was talk about her sexuality. My sister was really uncomfortable. Dropped her off at her house and she said to my nephew "does she ever talk about anything else other than her sexuality?!" My nephew said "mom, that was a boy, he's gay". smh Longing for attention, it's sad.
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The meme asks a qestion; here are some responses:
"If you don’t attend, you should question calling yourself “Christian” - it seems pretty hypocritical. If we wish to be loved unconditionally - we must also love unconditionally. I cannot imagine abandoning my daughter on her wedding day."
"I’m being IN the wedding "
"We are called to “love” as Christians, we’re not called reject others. "
"I’ll be walking her down the aisle!!!!"
"I wish this wasn’t even a debate. Not only would I attend I would help her plan and support them both!"
"Yes, I will. Just because we don't Sin the same, it makes neither of us better or worse than the next person. "
Many of these comments are said by those who profess to be Christians. Is it true, and is it biblical? Are these responses in line with what God said?
I would like to know what would be your biblical response to this meme. Please support your answer with scripture. Not opinions.
Thank you
From this, we must form opinions, since we are not given a specific verse that says to attend or avoid same-sex weddings. So, in my opinion, showing up or in any way supporting such a ceremony and union is promoting rebellion against God. Love the sinner, hate the sin. So, tell them you care for them both, but believe what they are doing is wrong, and you cannot support their actions. You still accept them in your life. If they reject you, then that's on them. <sarcasm>We all know how tolerant and inclusive the world is.</sarcasm>
