My View On Covid 19, and the Vaccines.

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This blog could be the most simple blog I have ever written.

Before I tell you what my view is. Allow me to tell you a very short story about a Radio Controlled Model Airplane, that my dad and I tried to build and fly.

It was a F4U Corsair War bird, from World War II. It has one of the coolest wings, the gull wing. If you don't know what this plane looks like, then you should google pictures of it. :)

Dad and I had spent 3 years building this model. We wanted this to be the best model airplane we have ever built. I tried to buy special tools for it, and took extra time trying to do everything right. But the manufacture didn't tell me everything I needed to know. So I contacted the experts. The people who made the model, and I also wanted to hear from the Engine manufacture. I didn't know who would respond to my emails. So I contacted both. What I got back was conflicting information.

It was such a simple question. The real F4U had a 3 bladed, and some had a 4 bladed propeller. I wanted mine to be like the real thing. I wanted to put on a 3 bladed propeller. I saw other people on youtube using a 3 bladed propeller. Towerhobbies had a simple instruction sheet on how to choose a 3 bladed propeller for your engine. And yet I was getting conflicting information on this. I thought to myself, this model has been around since the 1980's so that means lots of modelers have built and flown this airplane. I'll go to the forums to ask my question. Guess what I got more conflicting information. At this point, I was extremely confused. I'm not going to give you guys a lot more details, but needless to say, things ended badly. :(

When Covid 19 came on the scene, and I started hearing all the different news reports, I couldn't help but think about my poor airplane. Because when you got too many conflicting reports, you really don't know who to believe. Which means you really don't know anything.

At the beginning of this blog, i said, this could be the most simple blog I have ever written. The reason why I said that, is because I could of just wrote one word. "Confused"

Personally I got the Vaccine shot once, and then the two boosters. That is what I did for me. But you need to do what you think is right for you. Because if I am correct, there is no information out there that can help you to decide.

Am I concerned about dying early from the Vaccine? I believe that only God knows when I'm going to die. If He's in control of that, then I got nothing to worry about. But the bottom line is when I was presented with the Vaccine, I had to make a 50/50 choice, and I decided to go this way. You will not find me arguing for or against the Vaccines. :)
 
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Here are the bible passages I considered when making my decision. Where I live, the government was very intent to have everyone vaccinated. I was told (with probably 80% or more of people in the state) that I would be unable to work if I didn't receive the experimental vaccines. The reason for this is the government threatened my employer, with massive fines, if they let me attend work unvaccinated. I should note that these fines exceeded those that would be given for child abusers and rapists.

Matthew 22:15-22
Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

1) We are all made in God's image. Caesar has no valid claim on our bodies, especially the bodies of those redeemed by Christ, just as Jesus did not override Caesar's taxation.

Romans 13:1-7

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

2) If the government (demanding forced vaccination) are of God, why was this government seeking to subvert those superior powers (laws) such as higher government, international treaties (Nuremberg code, Human Rights laws), long-standing national laws, workplace laws, to require me to receive an experimental medicine? I considered (and still consider) the bureaucracy which pushed the vaccine mandates as an illegal usurper, for its role in undermining the true laws of the land.

Leviticus 13:1 - 8
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying,
When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot, and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy; then he shall be brought unto Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests:
And the priest shall look on the plague in the skin of the flesh: and when the hair in the plague is turned white, and the plague in sight be deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is a plague of leprosy: and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean.
If the bright spot be white in the skin of his flesh, and in sight be not deeper than the skin, and the hair thereof be not turned white; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague seven days:
And the priest shall look on him the seventh day: and, behold, if the plague in his sight be at a stay, and the plague spread not in the skin; then the priest shall shut him up seven days more:
And the priest shall look on him again the seventh day: and, behold, if the plague be somewhat dark, and the plague spread not in the skin, the priest shall pronounce him clean: it is but a scab: and he shall wash his clothes, and be clean.
But if the scab spread much abroad in the skin, after that he hath been seen of the priest for his cleansing, he shall be seen of the priest again.
And if the priest see that, behold, the scab spreadeth in the skin, then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is a leprosy.

3) God makes laws for His holy people that deal with all manner of sickness and disease. I quoted several passages from Leviticus, but there are many others dealing with childbirth, feminine hygiene, toilet practices, mold in houses etc. If the Maker of our bodies didn't consider vaccination to be a valid treatment for prevention or treatment of sickness, neither do I.

Genesis 6:1 - 4

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Leviticus 19:19
Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Jude 1:6 - 7
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

4) God makes a big deal about being sure not to mingle the seed of one kind with another - genetic purity. For man, who is created in His image, I'd say this is even more important. Look at the severe judgement God imposed when the fallen angels defied this decree and married/raped women. Most of the vaccines introduced were mRNA "vaccines", which were overtly advertised as modifying the pure genetic code that God had given us.
 
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The below is an analogy for the vaxx which I found amusing.

IMAGINE we were living in medieval times.... and you’d been invited to a royal banquet. ?? ?? ??

The ones in charge were extremely keen to get you to drink the wine. They were very insistent. ??

You’d probably assume the wine was poisoned.

“Drink this wonderful wine."

"No thank you."

"Be a good guest! Drink the wine. We uncorked it especially. It's a beautiful and rare vintage."

"No thank you. I appreciate the offer though."

"Drink the wine. It's very expensive but you can have a glass for free, and we'll give you an extra plate of supper."

"No I'm fine as I am.”

"Drink the wine and we'll feed your entire village for a week and reduce your taxes."

"Wow all that for wine? What's in it? Still, no thank you."

"We'll make you a Duke."

"Very generous but no thanks I'm content in my home."

“You are not anti-wine are you????”

“No I just don’t feel like drinking this wine this evening.”

"Drink the damn wine or we'll stop you working."

"Eh?"

You notice they’re getting desperate now.

"We'll ban you from markets."

"Wow your tone has changed."

"Now you need to drink 3 glasses or we'll stop you riding your horse or seeing your family for the next year."

"Wait, what? 3 glasses? Can't see my family?"

"Did we say 3 glasses? We meant 3 bottles."

"3 bottles?"

"Yes...every few months we want you to drink 3 bottles of this particular wine we've prepared indefinitely for the next years."

"Years??"

Yes, or we'll try you for treason."

"Ok what is IN this damn wine that you are trying SO HARD to get everyone to drink it?"

"We can't tell you. Trade secret."

"It's poisoned isn't it?"

"No..it's...ummm...it's just really really good for you. It's um, special healing wine."

"Then why all the threats?"

"We just need you to... I mean we strongly encourage you to drink the wine so you don't miss out."

"But the Earl drank a glass and collapsed."

"Unrelated."

"No...like he was fine then had a glass then keeled over...he's still on the floor writhing. Look at him! His face is blue and he's clawing at his chest."

"Coincidence. Guards...please escort the Earl to his chambers. He's had too much wine."

"I knew it was the wine! What about the rest of the court? Half of them also collapsed after the wine."

"Those guests got ill from something else. Probably the chicken."

"All at the same time?"

"You sure do ask a lot of questions! Guards! Guards... get this man his wine."

"I don't want it. What if something happens to me after drinking it?"

"We're not liable for that."

"Not liable for the wine you produce? I definitely don't want it."

"Drink your wine so everyone else doesn't get a hangover."

"Huh? That makes no sense. Maybe if they didn't keep DRINKING they wouldn't get HUNGOVER in the first place?"

"Look at these paintings of people drinking wine all over the gallery. Look how happy they look."

"Paintings? Look, I don't drink wine. I don't want the wine. Even the idea of drinking this wine leaves a bad taste in my mouth."

"Ah no matter if you don't want to drink it.”

"Ok good. Let's drop the subject now"

"You don't have to drink it. We can pump it directly into your veins. You won't even have to taste it"

"Wait, into my veins? Are you serious? I don't want your damn wine!"

"TAKE THE D**N WINE NOW! WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR A WHOLE CRATE FOR EACH MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY! WE'VE SIGNED AN ONGOING CONTRACT WITH THE DISTILLARY! ANYONE WHO TALKS BADLY ABOUT THIS WINE WILL HAVE THEIR TONGUES CUT OUT! PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW DRUNK ON THE LAST BATCH WILL BE RECLASSIFIED AS SOBER AND MUST DRINK THE NEW BATCH! AND WE WANT YOUR KIDS TO DRINK THE WINE TOO! EVEN YOUR BABY. SWAP HER MILK BOTTLE FOR WINE! SHE'S OLD ENOUGH FOR WINE NOW! AND YOUR PREGNANT WIFE! SHE NEEDS IT TO KEEP HER HEALTHY! EVERYONE DRINK THE WINE!"

THIS is how absurd the conversation is getting now.

Anytime anyone tries so hard to pressure you into something: it's rarely if EVER because it serves YOUR best interests or because its good for you. More likely it’s in THEIR best interests.
 

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This blog could be the most simple blog I have ever written.

Before I tell you what my view is. Allow me to tell you a very short story about a Radio Controlled Model Airplane, that my dad and I tried to build and fly.

It was a F4U Corsair War bird, from World War II. It has one of the coolest wings, the gull wing. If you don't know what this plane looks like, then you should google pictures of it. :)

Dad and I had spent 3 years building this model. We wanted this to be the best model airplane we have ever built. I tried to buy special tools for it, and took extra time trying to do everything right. But the manufacture didn't tell me everything I needed to know. So I contacted the experts. The people who made the model, and I also wanted to hear from the Engine manufacture. I didn't know who would respond to my emails. So I contacted both. What I got back was conflicting information.

It was such a simple question. The real F4U had a 3 bladed, and some had a 4 bladed propeller. I wanted mine to be like the real thing. I wanted to put on a 3 bladed propeller. I saw other people on youtube using a 3 bladed propeller. Towerhobbies had a simple instruction sheet on how to choose a 3 bladed propeller for your engine. And yet I was getting conflicting information on this. I thought to myself, this model has been around since the 1980's so that means lots of modelers have built and flown this airplane. I'll go to the forums to ask my question. Guess what I got more conflicting information. At this point, I was extremely confused. I'm not going to give you guys a lot more details, but needless to say, things ended badly. :(

When Covid 19 came on the scene, and I started hearing all the different news reports, I couldn't help but think about my poor airplane. Because when you got too many conflicting reports, you really don't know who to believe. Which means you really don't know anything.

At the beginning of this blog, i said, this could be the most simple blog I have ever written. The reason why I said that, is because I could of just wrote one word. "Confused"

Personally I got the Vaccine shot once, and then the two boosters. That is what I did for me. But you need to do what you think is right for you. Because if I am correct, there is no information out there that can help you to decide.

Am I concerned about dying early from the Vaccine? I believe that only God knows when I'm going to die. If He's in control of that, then I got nothing to worry about. But the bottom line is when I was presented with the Vaccine, I had to make a 50/50 choice, and I decided to go this way. You will not find me arguing for or against the Vaccines. :)

Oh no kidding!

And that's why you believe nothing you hear and half of what you see.

I've had an inside track for a lot of the mess. Real statistics by reputable scientists. Not a bunch of cleverly stated junk science by people with a political agenda. There's a huge field of medical science and research that most people know nothing about. And now that everyone has gotten a glimpse of "how the sausage is made" they believe themselves to be an expert in sausages.

Research science is a "fuzzy" field in some ways. Partly due to the manner funding is done and checked.
Unless a real double blind study has been done and repeated by another, both on a significant scale it's not really true. Peer review is just one step. It's done to gain funding. And the peers need to be something different than a small town nurse practioner. An investigator can be a nurse practioner....but not a Peer reviewer.
Then on top of this....significance is a fuzzy thing for people to understand.

"Gloved hand waving" Research has been done ....
This was a test for something similar to the placebo effect. Large scale studies were done of where a sterile gloved hand was waved over participants arms with false claims of what this treatment would do.
People died in this study from the medical treatment. No injection of anything was performed....no medicine of any kind administered. Not even physical therapy.....just someone waving a gloved hand over a person's arm.

Rashes, hives, blisters, paralysis, shock, heart attacks, strokes, and etc were all recorded as a result of the gloved hand.

The symptoms incidence rate increased significantly when a similar study was done with saline injections. (Again should have no reportable side effects)

Now they are giving a real medical treatment to the whole world. The political spectrum is having a field day....not to mention all the crazies.

And yet....
The numbers of people "dropping dead" from these vaccines has yet to exceed the saline injection white glove treatments.

That's not to say that certain vaccines seem to have side effects including autism and the scientific community does not know why. The best guesses is that it's genetics....meaning a racial component exists. Guilian Barre syndrome is real and they do know the causes. These mRNA vaccines don't cause it....which is why they are being used.

The world was better off without social media. The rumor mill was so much quieter then.
 

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I got Covid19 in March of 2020 the same weekend NYC was shut down. I am a high school science teacher so I am familiar with basic understanding of plagues and vaccines but am by no means an expert. Therefore I paid very close attention to all that was said figuring I'd have to explain this to the kids.

There was no vaccine in March of 2020 but an urgent rush to make one had begun. From what I understood about history I thought far too much is being made of some future vaccine. No pandemic in history ended by giving people a vaccine, it died out of its own accord. A virus will replicate rapidly, it is the perfect example of "survival of the fittest". Corona viruses are especially prone to mutations, so my thought was that social distancing and good hygiene and health practices would eliminate this. If people who show symptoms quarantine themselves you create an environment that favors the least virulent strains. I had lived in Taiwan for years and this was a typical measure to take the temperature of people outside buildings. You can't enter with a temperature. It would have been very inexpensive and "least disruptive" approach. Businesses and schools could have stayed open.

But they didn't do that, they shut everything down, so I assumed they knew something I didn't know. Shutting everything down is contrary to the science. People obviously missed this point in science class so let's go over it again. You want people taking the bus and the subway and going to school and going to work. Half of the way social distancing works is you keep all the ones with symptoms out of the population, isolated, but at the same time you want everyone else going about their business. What will happen is there will be much less virulent strains that people will be exposed to and they will act to develop herd immunity. This is how you rapidly get herd immunity. These less virulent strains will strengthen your immune system to the more virulent strains. All the experts understand this, that is why many were happy with Omicron seeing it as a natural booster to the immune system.

Yes, in human history we have had complete shutdowns, but not of countries, not of economies, just of cities. If a cities health care system is completely overwhelmed then sure, do a complete shutdown till you can get it back under control, but there is no reason to impose a shutdown that the Bronx needs on the whole country. This draconian approach made me think they must know something I don't because from everything I could find that had been made public it was contrary to any response I would have considered.

They then began to vilify and castigate anyone who disagreed with the official narrative. Trump suggested using HCQ and was mocked mercilessly . Desantis refused to comply with the shutdowns and was also vilified and compared to a mass murderer. This alarmed me, two people who would have been privy to information they were not sharing with the public would have been the president of the US and the governor of the third most populous state in the Union. So I looked at HCQ something that anyone can buy, or make, and that has a 50 year history of being safely used. The response to that, suggesting it was "bleach" was absurd. Yes, if you were to take a concentration about ten thousand times that which is necessary it would act as a bleach. But if you took ten thousand Tylenol you'd be dead. It was a patently absurd complaint. This was when I realized the media could not be trusted to give reliable information on this.

At the same time Fauci said that to question him was to question science. That was it for me, I immediately knew he was a liar. In my science class I always teach about Galileo being excommunicated because he taught the Earth revolved around the Sun. I also talk about how a scientific theory that contradicted the accepted narrative when I was in high school was mocked and ridiculed. Some "creationist" put forth this theory that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor. This was attacked mercilessly until there was enough evidence that everyone accepted it and then it was like, oh yeah, everyone knows that. Questioning the official narrative is science.

This was the point at which I needed to broaden my search to find out what is going on. Dr. Malone invented mRNA vaccines and so I listened to him. Dr. Zelensky treated Trump quite successfully along with about 10,000 others so I listened to him. Dr. Wolf was looking at the Pfizer documents of their studies of the vaccine so listened to what she discovered. Steve Bannon was bringing on these and other experts who also provided evidence that the virus originated in the Wuhan bioweapons lab. At this point I would not say that they have absolutely and conclusively proved it began as a lab leak in Wuhan, there are other possible scenarios (CIA could have done this to place blame on the Chinese). But what was clear was there was no "evidence" for the wet market theory and certainly no evidence for the bat cave theory. Yet there were all those scientists who wrote a letter to Lancet saying all the evidence pointed to the bat cave and none of the evidence pointed to the bioweapons lab. That was clearly and undeniably false. No one has found any evidence that points to the bat cave and there is clear and convincing evidence that this is a man made virus from a bioweapons lab.

So at this point I knew that the advice they were giving us was bad, I knew that saying Cuomo was the gold star in how to deal with the virus while Desantis was a mass murderer was a vile and despicable lie. I knew that Fauci couldn't be trusted and the Main Stream Media couldn't be trusted. I also knew that Trump who speaks with a 5th grade vocabulary and is a real estate mogul/reality TV star was not someone I would trust my healthcare decisions to. But I decided that Dr. Malone was trustworthy, he was being attacked, his reputation smeared, his career ruined to take his stand and yet his resume tells you he is clearly an expert on the topic. I decided Dr. Zelensky was trustworthy, after all he more than anyone else on the planet was having great success treating Covid. He should have been lifted up by the Media, not shunned and attacked. I also decided that everything I knew about viruses, pandemics and vaccines prior to this could be trusted.

I also trusted the Bible. In the Bible I am told that Satan is a liar, a thief and a murderer. He only comes to kill and destroy. I knew who the liars were, I could see who the thieves were, and so as studies came out saying they were murderers it did not seem to be a wild conspiracy theory. I lived in NY and evidence came out that 10,000 people died because of Cuomo's actions.

This was when DeBlasio mandated the vaccine and they were not going to consider natural immunity. Every expert knows that the vaccine could be particularly dangerous to those with natural immunity to Covid after getting it and yet they would ignore that? No way I am going to let this buffoon stuffing french fries in his mouth convince me to take the vaccine.
 
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Some of us (I know you're included in that group) never trusted that fraudulent company, who'd already paid millions in fines for their crimes last decade. It should've been shut down then in my view, and all their proceeds of crime confiscated. Then they wouldn't have been around to try it again with the covid-vaxx hoax.