The Civil War begins

[Dude653]

OK, reality is that we were told it is too expensive to do a thorough audit, yet when Ukraine had a border crisis Biden was able to get him $50 billion instantly and I now hear the total sent to Ukraine is approaching $100 billion.

The most recent Rasmussen poll has 52% of Americans thinking the 2020 election was effected by fraud. Therefore you have to do an audit because democracy can only work if people trust the process.

The reality is if this had been a few poor losers like Stacy Abrams this whole thing would have dissipated until they would be afraid to even admit they were election deniers, like Stacy Abrams. Instead it has grown from 10% of Americans to 52% of Americans.

The reality is that Soros is pumping $1.5 million into an Attorney Generals race in Arizona, when these races usually spend about 100k. Why the panic over a candidate who promises to enforce the law concerning elections?

The reality is that we are 15 days away from election day and Biden has only campaigned for one candidate that I saw, and as a result Fetterman went from a 2 pt lead to being down by 4.5 points. This is supposed to be the same guy who got 11 million more votes than Obama.

The reality is the US economy is in a nose dive. We are at war with Russia and it is threatening to go nuclear at any moment and recent estimates are that since Biden has been president 8 million illegal aliens have crossed our southern border between those what have been let in and the got aways. Kamala Harris lied to us when she said she would put a stop to human rights abuses at the border on day 1.

The reality is that crime is off the hook and progressive DA's have made things much worse than they might otherwise be. Yet the Democrats now want to tell us they never supported any of this. They are lying.

The reality is they lied to us when they told us the vaccine was safe and effective. We now know Pfizer had no evidence it was effective, and there is absolutely no doubt that the vaccine comes with significant potential harm. We also know they lied about HCQ and Ivermectin because if they admitted there were effective treatments it would have been illegal to mandate the vaccine.

We also know that all those tech giants that supported Biden made a tremendous amount of money during the Pandemic while most people and most businesses lost money.

We also know that they lied about the Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation.

People want full audits of the election in every state. That means you go through the registered voters and remove all those who have died or moved out of state.

It means we get a thorough audit of the software on these voting machines or else we get rid of them.

It means if you are going to have drop boxes for votes that it must be done according to the law, and those drop boxes need to have cameras on them 24 hours a day live streamed. Everyone should have access to that because one of the complaints was that after an election there is so little time people don't want to have to adjudicate these issues then.

Yeah I agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy from the Democratic party like wouldn't BLM was having protests in the middle of the pandemic but people couldn't go to church so yeah I get it but at the same time, there is zero evidence for election fraud
Even Republican judges that Trump appointed through out every one of his lawsuits

 

[ZNP]

Yeah I agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy from the Democratic party like wouldn't BLM was having protests in the middle of the pandemic but people couldn't go to church so yeah I get it but at the same time, there is zero evidence for election fraud
Even Republican judges that Trump appointed through out every one of his lawsuits

That is not the issue. do a complete audit, remove dead people and people who have moved away from your voter registration roles.

Do a canvass. Make sure that the people who sent in votes to these drop boxes actually live at these addresses.

Also those machines that are used for voting must be transparent. If they refuse to let us examine the software then forget it, we cannot use them in elections.

Ignoring people's request is not working.

Also stop denying election fraud. Perhaps the fraud was not enough to make a difference but fraud did take place, that is undeniable.

What has not been proven is if it was only on one side (I highly doubt that which is why I think so many RINOs don't want to address the issue) and if the fraud was enough to change the outcome of the election (I think it is pointless to speculate on that).

What the three movies: Rigged, Absolute Proof, and 2,000 Mules has proven with evidence is that fraud took place and it was on a scale that could have changed the outcome.

 

[Dude653]

That is not the issue. do a complete audit, remove dead people and people who have moved away from your voter registration roles.

Do a canvass. Make sure that the people who sent in votes to these drop boxes actually live at these addresses.

Also those machines that are used for voting must be transparent. If they refuse to let us examine the software then forget it, we cannot use them in elections.

Ignoring people's request is not working.

Also stop denying election fraud. Perhaps the fraud was not enough to make a difference but fraud did take place, that is undeniable.

What has not been proven is if it was only on one side (I highly doubt that which is why I think so many RINOs don't want to address the issue) and if the fraud was enough to change the outcome of the election (I think it is pointless to speculate on that).

What the three movies: Rigged, Absolute Proof, and 2,000 Mules has proven with evidence is that fraud took place and it was on a scale that could have changed the outcome.

The dead voter thing is a complete fiction. The census bureau went and knocked on these people's doors and guess what, they are alive

 

[ZNP]

The dead voter thing is a complete fiction. The census bureau went and knocked on these people's doors and guess what, they are alive

Then do the audits, and the canvass and guess what, you will return to 5% thinking the elections are rigged and 95% of us can go about our business.

 

[Dude653]

Then do the audits, and the canvass and guess what, you will return to 5% thinking the elections are rigged and 95% of us can go about our business.

5% of people believe something so that makes it true.

 

[ZNP]

5% of people believe something so that makes it true.

52% of people in the most recent poll believe that fraud effected the 2020 election. So yes, that would be catastrophic to democracy in this country that the majority of people do not trust the process.

However you don't have to get to 100% trusting the process because then 1% of the country could keep the rest of us hostage. As long as 95% trust the process we can go ahead with our business.

 

[Dude653]

52% of people in the most recent poll believe that fraud effected the 2020 election. So yes, that would be catastrophic to democracy in this country that the majority of people do not trust the process.

However you don't have to get to 100% trusting the process because then 1% of the country could keep the rest of us hostage. As long as 95% trust the process we can go ahead with our business.

Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't prove that is true. That's the appeal to popularity fallacy
Just like a lot of people believe 9/11 conspiracies. That doesn't mean it's true

 

[ZNP]

Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't prove that is true. That's the appeal to popularity fallacy
Just like a lot of people believe 9/11 conspiracies. That doesn't mean it's true

It doesn't matter if it is true. For a democracy to function people must believe that the process is true. Granted you can always have a few poor losers like Stacy Abrams or Hillary Clinton, but 95% of the people need to believe it is true. If 10% don't believe it you have a problem, if 20% don't believe it you have a crisis, if 50% don't believe it you have a civil war.

 

[Dude653]

It doesn't matter if it is true. For a democracy to function people must believe that the process is true. Granted you can always have a few poor losers like Stacy Abrams or Hillary Clinton, but 95% of the people need to believe it is true. If 10% don't believe it you have a problem, if 20% don't believe it you have a crisis, if 50% don't believe it you have a civil war.

that's not how truth works. The truth or something is not proportionate to the number of people who believe it

 

[ZNP]

that's not how truth works. The truth or something is not proportionate to the number of people who believe it

Yes, that has been proven many times over in the last few years.

Two years ago a small minority believed the election was stolen but that grew steadily and now it is the majority even though the Main stream media has done everything they could to squash that.

A few years ago only a very small minority thought the pandemic was a bioweapon, now that is the scientifically accepted view.

A year ago a few people warned that the vaccine was not safe and not effective. Now we have evidence that this is true.

 

[Moses_Young]

Trump lost. It's time to come back to reality

This is kind of funny. So if/when the fraud is taken out of the voting this time, and the slimy traitors are exposed for having previously obtained their positions by vote fraud, and when LetsGo Brandon accuses the legitimate, rightful representatives of being put in via fraud, you're going to side with LetsGo.....

Lies should not become us.

 

[PennEd]

Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't prove that is true. That's the appeal to popularity fallacy
Just like a lot of people believe 9/11 conspiracies. That doesn't mean it's true

I agree. Just because there are STILL a sizable amount of people that believe Biden is a legitimate President, REGARDLESS of the volumes of proof of a stolen election, doesn’t mean it’s true.

Good point Dude!

 

[Moses_Young]

Yes, that has been proven many times over in the last few years.

Two years ago a small minority believed the election was stolen but that grew steadily and now it is the majority even though the Main stream media has done everything they could to squash that.

A few years ago only a very small minority thought the pandemic was a bioweapon, now that is the scientifically accepted view.

A year ago a few people warned that the vaccine was not safe and not effective. Now we have evidence that this is true.

Dude was wrong on each of those counts. :-(

 

[ZNP]

Dude was wrong on each of those counts. :-(

There are two paths you can take at this moment in time, one leads to a civil war, the other leads to peace.

1. The path that leads to war -- each side sticks to their arguments as though they are set in stone, no one on either side is willing to meet halfway. January 6th is a great example.

2. The path that leads to peace -- as much as is possible you listen to your opponent and meet them halfway.

Two examples

Election integrity -- Do a complete audit that is open, transparent, and comprehensive including a thorough examination of the voter rolls and a canvass on the last election. Of course you can do that and the cost to do that will be pennies compared to the cost of a civil war.

January 6th -- Obviously that was an ugly incident. We need a thorough and complete investigation. Who left the pipe bomb, that is by far the most violent act committed and to still not have the person in custody does not build confidence in the FBI. Ray Epps needs to be in custody, we have video that clearly and unequivocally identifies him as a leader in that insurrection. The man that shot and killed Ashli Babbit needs to be tried. He doesn't need to be convicted, innocent until proven guilty, but covering this up does not build trust. Trump has been accused of provoking the riot by saying to go to the capitol to peacefully protest. Therefore others like Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer also need to be impeached because the things they have said are far more incendiary.

Also, the prisoners cannot be treated like political prisoners, but rather charged for the crimes they committed. If it is a misdemeanor and they have no previous record I see no reason why they should be given prison time.

 

[Moses_Young]

There are two paths you can take at this moment in time, one leads to a civil war, the other leads to peace.

1. The path that leads to war -- each side sticks to their arguments as though they are set in stone, no one on either side is willing to meet halfway. January 6th is a great example.

2. The path that leads to peace -- as much as is possible you listen to your opponent and meet them halfway.

Two examples

Election integrity -- Do a complete audit that is open, transparent, and comprehensive including a thorough examination of the voter rolls and a canvass on the last election. Of course you can do that and the cost to do that will be pennies compared to the cost of a civil war.

January 6th -- Obviously that was an ugly incident. We need a thorough and complete investigation. Who left the pipe bomb, that is by far the most violent act committed and to still not have the person in custody does not build confidence in the FBI. Ray Epps needs to be in custody, we have video that clearly and unequivocally identifies him as a leader in that insurrection. The man that shot and killed Ashli Babbit needs to be tried. He doesn't need to be convicted, innocent until proven guilty, but covering this up does not build trust. Trump has been accused of provoking the riot by saying to go to the capitol to peacefully protest. Therefore others like Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer also need to be impeached because the things they have said are far more incendiary.

Also, the prisoners cannot be treated like political prisoners, but rather charged for the crimes they committed. If it is a misdemeanor and they have no previous record I see no reason why they should be given prison time.

My bet is on civil war. Good guys will win the election, LetsGo Brandon (his puppet master, anyway) won't wanna lose power, plays the old accuse-thine-enemy-of-thine-own-crime-card, Trump goes to gaol, and civil war. The [Deep State] gets what it's been begging for, but not on its own terms - everyone - except maybe Dude and a few of his die-hard friends - knows [DS] cheated and they are the criminals.

Of course, I have been wrong before. I didn't expect Trump to be ousted.

 

[Dude653]

Yes, that has been proven many times over in the last few years.

Two years ago a small minority believed the election was stolen but that grew steadily and now it is the majority even though the Main stream media has done everything they could to squash that.

A few years ago only a very small minority thought the pandemic was a bioweapon, now that is the scientifically accepted view.

A year ago a few people warned that the vaccine was not safe and not effective. Now we have evidence that this is true.

No. It is not been proven that covid is a bio weapon

 

[ZNP]

No. It is not been proven that covid is a bio weapon

I didn't say it was proven I said it was the scientifically accepted view.

Less Than 1 in 100 Million Chance That COVID-19 Has Natural Origin: New Study

https://www.theepochtimes.com/less-...oReport&src_src=partner&src_cmp=BonginoReport

China has deleted the files at the Wuhan lab and is not being transparent. Without that it is very hard to say we have absolute proof. So 100 million to 1 is about as good as we can get.

 

[Dude653]

I didn't say it was proven I said it was the scientifically accepted view.

Less Than 1 in 100 Million Chance That COVID-19 Has Natural Origin: New Study

https://www.theepochtimes.com/less-...oReport&src_src=partner&src_cmp=BonginoReport

China has deleted the files at the Wuhan lab and is not being transparent. Without that it is very hard to say we have absolute proof. So 100 million to 1 is about as good as we can get.

Ok but you said it so deep state conspiracy. So which is it? Now you're changing your story

 

[ZNP]

Ok but you said it so deep state conspiracy. So which is it? Now you're changing your story

I am saying this was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is the best we can do since China has tried to cover this up.

 

[Dude653]

I am saying this was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is the best we can do since China has tried to cover this up.

There's a reason China won't face any accountability for anything they do. Including their human rights violations like putting Christians and Muslims in concentration camps.
Is how America buys pretty much everything from china, cutting them off would hurt us worse than it would hurt them.