Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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What did the scripture say about them, did they enter his rest or not? WHY??
You keep telling me they were saved. then lost their salvation.
if anything is insulting it is claiming one thing. then when you are questioning denying you claimed it to begin with
Ex 14: 10 And when Pharaoh drew near, the children of Israel lifted their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians marched after them. So they were very afraid, and the children of Israel cried out to the Lord. 11 Then they said to Moses, “Because there were no graves in Egypt, have you taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you so dealt with us, to bring us up out of Egypt? 12 Is this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, ‘Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians’? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness.”
these people had saving faith?????? WHAT?????? they did not even want to leave!!!!
You keep telling me they were saved. then lost their salvation.
if anything is insulting it is claiming one thing. then when you are questioning denying you claimed it to begin with
Ex 14: 10 And when Pharaoh drew near, the children of Israel lifted their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians marched after them. So they were very afraid, and the children of Israel cried out to the Lord. 11 Then they said to Moses, “Because there were no graves in Egypt, have you taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you so dealt with us, to bring us up out of Egypt? 12 Is this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, ‘Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians’? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness.”
these people had saving faith?????? WHAT?????? they did not even want to leave!!!!
Once again, you have not listened to anything I have said. At the moment I am simply trying to get a clear understanding of what you are saying.
I think I'd like to read up on this, can you direct me to the book or ministry which says that those who complained in the wilderness were not saved, but only Moses and the two that entered the promised land. Thanks.
I think I'd like to read up on this, can you direct me to the book or ministry which says that those who complained in the wilderness were not saved, but only Moses and the two that entered the promised land. Thanks.
What good is it if a person claims to have faith. But they do not trust God in anything?
remember, these people a day after they left told moses he should have left them there they did not want to leave.
My friend, Obedience is required. If you want to save yourself
thats not the issue. The issue is, have you met Gods standard..
sadly I feel to many people believe they have..
remember, these people a day after they left told moses he should have left them there they did not want to leave.
My friend, Obedience is required. If you want to save yourself
thats not the issue. The issue is, have you met Gods standard..
sadly I feel to many people believe they have..
Did I say it was not?
why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
baptism is a figure. Does that mean everyone who is baptised is saved?
Circumcision was a figure, does that mean everyone who is circumcised is saved
Animal sacrifice is a figure. Does that mean every person, and every priest and every high priest that offers sacrifice is saved?
You are stuck on works my friend.. You seemed to be confused about what true faith is..
why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
baptism is a figure. Does that mean everyone who is baptised is saved?
Circumcision was a figure, does that mean everyone who is circumcised is saved
Animal sacrifice is a figure. Does that mean every person, and every priest and every high priest that offers sacrifice is saved?
You are stuck on works my friend.. You seemed to be confused about what true faith is..
Yes. Why would physical death have any relevance to a person's state, whether saved or lost?
This is an example of God's divine discipline, which can be physical death.
1 Cor 11:30 - That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
1 or 5:5 - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh (physical death by the hand of Satan), so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Acts 5 - Ananias and Saphhira
etc.
This is an example of God's divine discipline, which can be physical death.
1 Cor 11:30 - That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
1 or 5:5 - hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh (physical death by the hand of Satan), so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Acts 5 - Ananias and Saphhira
etc.
From #1550-
Heb 3-
16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?
19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
v.19 applies to Moses just as much as to the rest.
Numbers 14:29 - In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me.
Numbers 20:12 - But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.”
Deut 32:51 - This is because both of you broke faith with me in the presence of the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the Desert of Zin and because you did not uphold my holiness among the Israelites. Moses' and Aaron's indictment!
Moses didn't enter the land because of his "unbelief", just as Heb 3:19 says.
Heb 3-
16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?
19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
v.19 applies to Moses just as much as to the rest.
Numbers 14:29 - In this wilderness your bodies will fall—every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me.
Numbers 20:12 - But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.”
Deut 32:51 - This is because both of you broke faith with me in the presence of the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the Desert of Zin and because you did not uphold my holiness among the Israelites. Moses' and Aaron's indictment!
Moses didn't enter the land because of his "unbelief", just as Heb 3:19 says.
Be careful that it not fall off.
Oh, and while you are being careful as you shake your head, please explain how Paul could say they drank from the spiritual rock that was Christ, AND that he described them as "examples" to warn us.
How can unbelievers be any kind of example to believers. Apples and cauliflower.
Oh, and while you are being careful as you shake your head, please explain how Paul could say they drank from the spiritual rock that was Christ, AND that he described them as "examples" to warn us.
How can unbelievers be any kind of example to believers. Apples and cauliflower.