To Disagree with God!?

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soberxp

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Prophesies of the first advent of Jesus Yeshua describe Him as not cmely, not one a person would look upon for his beauty. So that Shroud is either a fake or has the image of Him being resurrec ted, however even if the latter , He was not fully glorified for 40 days after.
I think the reason for the problem is that I think the beauty, ugliness, obesity and thinness of people lead to the degeneration of the world. If everyone is beautiful and healthy, of course, I mean the appearance can be different, maybe the world will be more friendly?
 

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I don't agree that God distinguishes the artificial from the beautiful, the ugly, the fat and the thin.

Why doesn't God make Jesus ugly and fat? I've seen the Shroud of Jesus. It's a beautiful man with a great figure. Then why do we.....

But I believe it will be different in the kingdom of heaven haha
There is No proof that the shroud of Turin is Jesus..

Actually prophecies of Jesus said he was not a good looking guy..

(Isaiah 53:1-2) "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? {2} For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
 

soberxp

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I even think that if men and women look the same beauty,maybe there will be no sexual immorality. Maybe my idea is too naive and extreme
 

soberxp

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There is No proof that the shroud of Turin is Jesus..

Actually prophecies of Jesus said he was not a good looking guy..

(Isaiah 53:1-2) "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? {2} For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
I'm not jealous of Jesus' beauty, I'm just thinking for my reasons. Maybe my ideas affect the description of those prophets, because they are prophets, and maybe they know what I think.
 

soberxp

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Or do these prophets feel that I am jealous of Jesus' beauty? That's why they use such words?

he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
 

soberxp

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You know what? I saw Jesus in the sky. His clothes were beautiful beyond description, but I didn't see his face.
 

soberxp

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Speaking of this, it suddenly occurred to me that the characters in the Old Testament had many possessions and beautiful wives, but I thought these were just appearances. God wanted to express not these, but that you depended on God, so you had everything, which was beyond your imagination What I want to express is not the concept of secularization,

What I want to say is the breath of life that should be in life.
 

soberxp

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Just like when I went to the church, I adopted a stray cat from the church. when he grows, It looks like as I shall like it. It looks like it grows at that point. It is just right for me, but not necessarily for others' taste
 

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You know what? I saw Jesus in the sky. His clothes were beautiful beyond description, but I didn't see his face.
Well Jesus was transformed upon his assention.. Jesus is described in the Bible in Revelation chapter 1..

(Revelation 1:10-16) "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, {11} Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. {12} And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; {13} And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. {14} His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; {15} And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. {16} And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

Maybe my ideas affect the description of those prophets, because they are prophets, and maybe they know what I think
I cannot see how your ideas can affect those prophets.. And as far as i know only God can know the thoughts of people.. So those prophets probably do not know what you are thinking.. The only way they could is if Jesus told them your thoughts..

I might think up an idea of what you look like.. But will you be affected.. Will you appearance change if i think you look a certain way?
 

soberxp

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I might think up an idea of what you look like.. But will you be affected.. Will you appearance change if i think you look a certain way?
Unfortunately, I can tell you that your perception can change my appearance, because I find that when I live around different people, I look totally different in the photos.
 

RaceRunner

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What do you consider as disagreeing with God?
Having a disagreement with the will of God is disagreeing with God.

Mark 3:35
For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
 
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Having a disagreement with the will of God is disagreeing with God.

Mark 3:35
For whosoever shall do the will of God, he is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
How do you discern the difference between your desire,will, and God's?
 

RaceRunner

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How do you discern the difference between your desire,will, and God's?
We discern the difference between our desire, will, and God's by making sure we know and believe God's commandments.
 

Cameron143

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How do you discern the difference between your desire,will, and God's?
Delight yourself in the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart...Psalm 37:4
 

maxwel

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It depends on what me mean by "choice."

A.) If choice = a willful decision we make about morality, which is purely arbitrary, and has no consequences...
then no, we have no such moral decisions without consequences.

B.) If choice = a willful decision about morality, for which there ARE consequences...
then yes, we can make willful decisions that carry consequences.


Why this is confusing:
In scripture, God doesn't generally present his commands as a choice. He simply gives an imperative; a command for what he expects and requires. But behind the imperative there is always an implication... an implication you must invoke your volition, and CHOOSE his imperative as your own personal course of action.

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