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Jan 29, 2011
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This is a compilation of objections that, in my experience, Christians have risen.

Before I begin, consider what 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Considering this, the fact that giving a defense to those that ask of us for a reason of the hope that is in us is required; how can anyone say that apologetics is pointless?

Having said that, let’s begin shall we?

Objection 1: “There is no point of doing Apologetics because it doesn’t save anyone.”

Consider if we replaced the word “apologetics” with the word “evangelism” instead and said, “There is no point in evangelism because it doesn’t save anyone”. Should we abandon the practice of evangelism merely because it doesn’t save anyone? Of course not! For we are commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:10 to “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”. Likewise, we are told in 1st Peter 3:15 to “Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you for a reason of the hope that is in you”.

Both Matthew 28:10 and 1st Peter 3:15 are both commandments issued by God to do very different things, yet no one thinks for a moment of ceasing to evangelize. God commands us to have a defense ready for the hope in us, and for that reason alone is why there is a point of doing apologetics!

Furthermore, if we consider what John 6:44 says, “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day”, apart from God’s drawing, neither apologetics nor evangelism could save anyone! Thus, apologetics, like evangelism is a tool which God utilizes to draw us to Himself.

Let’s address the claim that apologetics doesn’t save anyone.

It seems to me that such a claim is ignorance of apologists that are actively professing that apologetics brought them to salvation. For example, Lee Strobel and asserts that had it not been for apologetics, salvation would’ve been impossible for them. Lee began his search for the evidence of the resurrection of Christ was the way in which his wife, shortly after her conversion to Christianity, acted towards her family. For Lee and doubting Thomas, both of which needed evidence to support the claim that Jesus rose from the dead. What would’ve happened if apologetics wasn’t there? Moreover, to say that God can’t use apologetics as a tool to draw people to Himself is limiting God.

Objection 2: “Debating and arguments are of the flesh, which relies on the mind, and since the mind is enmity against God; it is wrong to debate.”

In order for one to avoid the conclusion of this proposition, namely that it is wrong to debate, one has to avoid debating any subject, including that apologetics is wrong. It is difficult to avoid this situation especially since they are proposing reasons why I am incorrect. Folks, this is the essence of debating. Ironically, by them doing this, they are debating and therefore, by their own admission wrong! Furthermore, the one positing this is contradicting himself!

The most devastating argument to this objection is Paul, for he was constantly debating his beliefs in the Synagogues -Consider the book of Acts -refer to Acts 19:33, Acts 22:1, and Acts 24:10. He even admits that he is using a “fleshly” argument at one point in Romans! People in Paul’s day objected to things he taught, both Jew’s and Gentiles alike. For example, in the book of Romans, Paul explains an argument someone gave to him concerning something he said, “We will do evil to let God be true” and to defeat this argument, Paul used his mind rather than the scriptures. And therefore, we aren’t supposed to exclusively use scriptures to get our point across.

For those that are reading this that say we shouldn't have extra-Bible arguments to defend our position, consider Psalms 91:1 which states, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands". Moreover, in Hebrews 3:4, the author gives an example of how to detect Fine Tuning! Observe, "Every house has a builder; but he that built all things is God". This is an example that Intelligent Design proponents use to provide a positive case for ID.

Objection 3: “Oh no, I am using scripture and not man’s wisdom, therefore, debating isn’t bad."

Unfortunately, this is a blatant contradiction to the previous objection.

What I find most demonstrable about this is that they think this somehow distracts one from the fact they are still debating. Question, if debating is wrong, how is it that only you can debate because you are using Scripture? Why are you the exclusion? It seems as though they have found their own loophole to defend their position of anti-Apologetics and continue to debate while saying it is wrong for others to debate. Perhaps a double-standard?


But let us entertain this as a separate proposition and see if it holds any water.

Paul used extra-biblical reasoning to defend some of his position, David used an ID argument, and in the book of Hebrews 3:4, the author eludes to an illustration of Intelligent Design. Therefore, I don’t see any reason that we can’t use extra-biblical argumentation. So, to avoid this, one has to maintain a non-Pauline view, deny that David is using such an argument, and refute Hebrews.

Objection 4: “I have faith that God exists.”

This doesn’t seem address apologetics, thus rendering it inadequate. But let’s addresses it anyway.

Consider the following conversation between you and someone who believed in fairies.

Let (a) stand for a Christian and let (b) stand for one that believes in fairies.
(a) Asks (b), why do you believe in fairies?
(b) Responds with, I have faith that fairies exist and that you should believe me on this basis.
(a) Replies, what evidence do you have to back up this assertion
To which (b) replies with, there was a book written about these fairies, and it confirms my beliefs, and if you don’t believe that fairies exist, tortured for an eternity
Ask yourselves, would you believe that fairies exist based upon these reasons? If you have answered no, then why would you think that an atheist would accept your beliefs on the basis of you saying God exists because the Bible says so; and the Bible is correct because it says it is?

Objection 5: “We don’t have to defend God; He can do that all by himself."

First and foremost, this misconstrues that which apologetics is defending. On this basis, I can reject this Red Herring alone. But to get the point across, I’ll respond anyway.

Apologetics purpose isn’t to defend God, His nature, or His attributes; it is the hope that is in us, as 1st Peter 3:15 postulates. To say “God can do it all by himself” forgets that we are co-laborers which God has declared in the Scriptures.

Furthermore, if God can defend Himself, He can most certainly evangelize all by Himself too, correct? Would you reject practicing evangelism based on this line of reasoning? No, of course not! So why would this objection prevent an apologist from practicing apologetics?

I will leave you all with two quotes that sum up the importance of apologetics:

"If all the world were Christian, it might not matter if the world were uneducated. But, as it is, a cultural life will exist outside the church whether it exists inside or not. To be ignorant and simple now - not to be able to meet enemies on their own ground - would be to throw down our weapons, and betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen." - C. S. Lewis

"False ideas are the greatest obstacles to the reception of the gospel. We may preach with all the fervor of a reformer and yet succeed only in winning a straggler here and there, if we permit the whole collective thought of the nation or o...f the world to be controlled by ideas which, by the resistless force of logic, prevent Christianity from being regarded as anything more than a harmless delusion. Under such circumstances, what God desires us to do is to destroy the obstacle as its root.” – J. Gresham Machens
 
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Many people have been saved because christian apologetics ministries brought them out of cults or abberent teachings. My fav christian apologetics ministry is The christian Research Institute http://www.equip.org , and I think it's very important!!! It's a big part of my life.
 
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Go BOSS Go, I Love ya.....but I think your an evangelist no matter how you do it. blessings
dont let the family bug ya too much were gona be family for eternity :) Praise God!
 
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jochuhyulo

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Hi,
Objection to Apologetics is a smile topic :)
Well, there is no problem whether you agree with it or not but i can see that you are doing apologetics here
how? well, if you defend your position or you belief by showing them "WHY" and "WHY NOT" to me is an apologetics...
Secondly, lets say I am a Muslim, so i don't beleives in Ressurection of Jesus. well, in this case how would you evangilize me? I think your first steps will be see brother, let me tell you Ressurection is true and it really happened. Obviously, why should I beleive you, is it possible that a dead man just ressurected, its irrational to claim that... well, what will be your response?
Just say sorry I have not good answer
You just have to beleive me
Just have faith
or will you just leave me???
No, i dont think you will do that. I guess you will aplogia the Resurection to be True and Reasonable to beleive by showing me some of the attestation of the Event such as
1. Historical Record
2. Fulfilment of the prophecy
3. Eye witness
4. Post appearance..... etc.

Anyway, no problem we all serve God in different ways and means
All the best
 
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This is a compilation of objections that, in my experience, Christians have risen.

Before I begin, consider what 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Considering this, the fact that giving a defense to those that ask of us for a reason of the hope that is in us is required; how can anyone say that apologetics is pointless?

Having said that, let’s begin shall we?

Objection 1: “There is no point of doing Apologetics because it doesn’t save anyone.”

Consider if we replaced the word “apologetics” with the word “evangelism” instead and said, “There is no point in evangelism because it doesn’t save anyone”. Should we abandon the practice of evangelism merely because it doesn’t save anyone? Of course not! For we are commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:10 to “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”. Likewise, we are told in 1st Peter 3:15 to “Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you for a reason of the hope that is in you”.

Both Matthew 28:10 and 1st Peter 3:15 are both commandments issued by God to do very different things, yet no one thinks for a moment of ceasing to evangelize. God commands us to have a defense ready for the hope in us, and for that reason alone is why there is a point of doing apologetics!

Furthermore, if we consider what John 6:44 says, “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day”, apart from God’s drawing, neither apologetics nor evangelism could save anyone! Thus, apologetics, like evangelism is a tool which God utilizes to draw us to Himself.

Let’s address the claim that apologetics doesn’t save anyone.

It seems to me that such a claim is ignorance of apologists that are actively professing that apologetics brought them to salvation. For example, Lee Strobel and asserts that had it not been for apologetics, salvation would’ve been impossible for them. Lee began his search for the evidence of the resurrection of Christ was the way in which his wife, shortly after her conversion to Christianity, acted towards her family. For Lee and doubting Thomas, both of which needed evidence to support the claim that Jesus rose from the dead. What would’ve happened if apologetics wasn’t there? Moreover, to say that God can’t use apologetics as a tool to draw people to Himself is limiting God.

Objection 2: “Debating and arguments are of the flesh, which relies on the mind, and since the mind is enmity against God; it is wrong to debate.”

In order for one to avoid the conclusion of this proposition, namely that it is wrong to debate, one has to avoid debating any subject, including that apologetics is wrong. It is difficult to avoid this situation especially since they are proposing reasons why I am incorrect. Folks, this is the essence of debating. Ironically, by them doing this, they are debating and therefore, by their own admission wrong! Furthermore, the one positing this is contradicting himself!

The most devastating argument to this objection is Paul, for he was constantly debating his beliefs in the Synagogues -Consider the book of Acts -refer to Acts 19:33, Acts 22:1, and Acts 24:10. He even admits that he is using a “fleshly” argument at one point in Romans! People in Paul’s day objected to things he taught, both Jew’s and Gentiles alike. For example, in the book of Romans, Paul explains an argument someone gave to him concerning something he said, “We will do evil to let God be true” and to defeat this argument, Paul used his mind rather than the scriptures. And therefore, we aren’t supposed to exclusively use scriptures to get our point across.

For those that are reading this that say we shouldn't have extra-Bible arguments to defend our position, consider Psalms 91:1 which states, "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands". Moreover, in Hebrews 3:4, the author gives an example of how to detect Fine Tuning! Observe, "Every house has a builder; but he that built all things is God". This is an example that Intelligent Design proponents use to provide a positive case for ID.

Objection 3: “Oh no, I am using scripture and not man’s wisdom, therefore, debating isn’t bad."

Unfortunately, this is a blatant contradiction to the previous objection.

What I find most demonstrable about this is that they think this somehow distracts one from the fact they are still debating. Question, if debating is wrong, how is it that only you can debate because you are using Scripture? Why are you the exclusion? It seems as though they have found their own loophole to defend their position of anti-Apologetics and continue to debate while saying it is wrong for others to debate. Perhaps a double-standard?


But let us entertain this as a separate proposition and see if it holds any water.

Paul used extra-biblical reasoning to defend some of his position, David used an ID argument, and in the book of Hebrews 3:4, the author eludes to an illustration of Intelligent Design. Therefore, I don’t see any reason that we can’t use extra-biblical argumentation. So, to avoid this, one has to maintain a non-Pauline view, deny that David is using such an argument, and refute Hebrews.

Objection 4: “I have faith that God exists.”

This doesn’t seem address apologetics, thus rendering it inadequate. But let’s addresses it anyway.

Consider the following conversation between you and someone who believed in fairies.

Let (a) stand for a Christian and let (b) stand for one that believes in fairies.
(a) Asks (b), why do you believe in fairies?
(b) Responds with, I have faith that fairies exist and that you should believe me on this basis.
(a) Replies, what evidence do you have to back up this assertion
To which (b) replies with, there was a book written about these fairies, and it confirms my beliefs, and if you don’t believe that fairies exist, tortured for an eternity
Ask yourselves, would you believe that fairies exist based upon these reasons? If you have answered no, then why would you think that an atheist would accept your beliefs on the basis of you saying God exists because the Bible says so; and the Bible is correct because it says it is?

Objection 5: “We don’t have to defend God; He can do that all by himself."

First and foremost, this misconstrues that which apologetics is defending. On this basis, I can reject this Red Herring alone. But to get the point across, I’ll respond anyway.

Apologetics purpose isn’t to defend God, His nature, or His attributes; it is the hope that is in us, as 1st Peter 3:15 postulates. To say “God can do it all by himself” forgets that we are co-laborers which God has declared in the Scriptures.

Furthermore, if God can defend Himself, He can most certainly evangelize all by Himself too, correct? Would you reject practicing evangelism based on this line of reasoning? No, of course not! So why would this objection prevent an apologist from practicing apologetics?

I will leave you all with two quotes that sum up the importance of apologetics:

"If all the world were Christian, it might not matter if the world were uneducated. But, as it is, a cultural life will exist outside the church whether it exists inside or not. To be ignorant and simple now - not to be able to meet enemies on their own ground - would be to throw down our weapons, and betray our uneducated brethren who have, under God, no defense but us against the intellectual attacks of the heathen." - C. S. Lewis

"False ideas are the greatest obstacles to the reception of the gospel. We may preach with all the fervor of a reformer and yet succeed only in winning a straggler here and there, if we permit the whole collective thought of the nation or o...f the world to be controlled by ideas which, by the resistless force of logic, prevent Christianity from being regarded as anything more than a harmless delusion. Under such circumstances, what God desires us to do is to destroy the obstacle as its root.” – J. Gresham Machens
My friend. It is hard to see behind a haze.

Are you preaching apologetics or are you preaching Jesus Christ? None of this mess brings anyone to Jesus. As no one can come to Jesus accept he be drawn by the Spirit of God. So man cannot glory over another's salvation, because God has wrought it.

Puffy knowledge gives glory to men, but the knowledge of God, which is in Jesus Christ gives eternal life to the glory of the Father. Neither is the kingdom of words and ideas, but it is of power, which is love. And what love other than this can save, other than that Jesus Christ died to pay the ransom for our sins, to win us to him by his giving of his own life to bring peace between us and the Father? Anyone who wants to enter another way still has the wrath of God on them. Let's focus on Jesus Christ and not on ideas.

May Jesus bless you.
 
May 2, 2011
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This is a compilation of objections that, in my experience, Christians have risen.

Before I begin, consider what 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness."


Considering this, the fact that giving a defense to those that ask of us for a reason of the hope that is in
us is required; how can anyone say that apologetics is pointless?

Objection 1: “There is no point of doing Apologetics because it doesn’t save anyone.”

Objection 2: “Debating and arguments are of the flesh, which relies on the mind, and since
the mind is enmity against God; it is wrong to debate.”


Objection 3: “Oh no, I am using scripture and not man’s wisdom, therefore, debating isn’t
bad."


Objection 4: “I have faith that God exists.”

Objection 5: “We don’t have to defend God; He can do that all by himself."

AN OUTLINE ON BIBLICAL APOLOGETICS:
THIS IS A VERY CUT BACK VERSION OF THE ENTIRE OUTLINE --


Biblical Apologetics, Part 1

Preliminary Considerations


I Peter 3:15-16 – 15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give
an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with
meekness and fear: 16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as
of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.


I. Preconditions for doing apologetics.

A. Sanctifying Christ –
B. as Lord in your heart.
C. "Every area of Life:" World View in apologetics.
D. Preparing a defense.

II. Character Qualities of the Apologist.


A. Gentleness (Meekness).
B. Reverence ("Fear").
C. Good Conscience.

III. The Apologetic Situation: Results of a Strong Christian
Character.


A. Everyone who asks you.
B. You are Slandered.
C. You are Reviled.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 2: The Myth and the Robbery of Neutrality

I. What is neutrality?

A. Definition:
B. Assumptions:

II. Why is neutrality urged on us?

III. What is wrong with neutrality?

IV. Neutrality vs. Antithesis:


A. The Old Man vs. the New Man. (Eph. 4:17ff)

B. Darkened Understanding vs. the Mind of Christ.

C. Self-Deception and Delusion vs. All the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge.


D. Blended together vs. Set Apart.


E. Adultery vs. Faithfulness.


F. Alienation vs. Reconciliation –

G. Arrogant Autonomy vs. Every Thought Captive

Biblical Apologetics, Part 3: Unbelieving Thought


I. A Summary Review of the Concept of "Neutrality."


A. The Idiocy of Neutrality.

B. The Immorality of Neutrality.

C. The Impossibility of Neutrality. Neutrality attempts to maintain two contradictory
allegiances simultaneously. This cannot be done in the world that is.

II. The True Nature of Unbelieving Thought: It Is Not Neutral! Its
Main Characteristics: Vanity and Deceitfulness.


A. Vanity

B. Deceitfulness.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 4: Conversion – The New Man and the
New Mind


I. What is it to be in Christ? The Nature of Conversion.

A. What conversion is not:

B. What conversion is:

C. Conversion is death and resurrection;

II. What is it to be "Rooted in Christ"? The nature of our life
commitments.


A. As in conversion Christ was acknowledged as Lord

B. You did not come to Christ by worldly wisdom,

C. The Christian becomes a Christian in renouncing his own autonomy

D. The Christian therefore proclaims his faith as absolutely authoritative truth.

III. What is the "Neutrality" of worldly thinking? The Gospel and
Antithesis.


A. Definition of Term:

B. The Reality behind neutrality:

C. The Reality behind the Gospel: It is Wisdom from God:

Van Til on the Nature of Biblical Authority

It is Christ as God who speaks in the Bible. Therefore the Bible does not appeal to human
reason as ultimate in order to justify what it says. It comes to the human being with
absolute authority. Its claim is that human reason must itself be taken in the sense in
which Scripture takes it, namely, as created by God and as therefore properly subject to
the authority of God... The two systems, that of the non-Christian and that of the
Christian, differ because of the fact that their basic assumptions or presuppositions differ.
On the non-Christian basis man is assumed to be the final reference point in predication....
The Reformed method... begins frankly "from above." It would "presuppose" God. But in
presupposing God it cannot place itself at any point on a neutral basis with the
non-Christian... Believers themselves have not chosen the Christian position because they
were wiser than others. What they have they have by grace alone. But this fact does not
mean that they must accept the problematics of fallen man as right or even as possibly
right. For the essence of the idea of Scripture is that it alone is the criterion of truth.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 5
Revelation as the Fountain of Knowledge


I. Neutrality and Epistemic Despair
.

A. Hard Agnosticism –
B. Soft Agnosticism –
C. Relativism –

II. Commitment to Christ as the only hope for true knowledge.

A. The place of trust in Christian Epistemology –

1. Knowledge is Covenantal.
2. Knowledge is Derivative.

B. Revelation as normative –

C. Where is God's Revelation found?

1. General Revelation –
2. Special Revelation –
3. Both are covenantal in form. Implications:
4. Why does God have this authority?

Biblical Apologetics, Part 6
The Self-Attesting God


I. All knowledge is deposited in Christ; mans knowledge of the truth


A. depends upon God's prior knowledge;
B. begins with the fear of the Lord,
C. and requires submission to God's word.

II. Philosophy that doesn't presuppose God's word is deception:


A. It suppresses the Truth,
B. It submits to human traditions,
C. It reasons according to the presuppositions of the world instead of Christ.
D. It leads to a darkened mind and futile conclusions; God makes foolish the wisdom of the
world.

III. Consequences of Neutralist thinking:

A. It erases the Christians' distinctiveness,
B. It blurs the antithesis between worldly thinking and believing mind-sets,
C. It ignores the gulf between "Old Man" and "New Man."
D. The Christian who strives for neutrality endorses assumptions which are hostile to his
faith.
E. Pretended epistemic neutrality is an impossible stance between presupposing God's
word and not presupposing it, an immoral attempt to serve two lords.

IV. The Christian is a "New Man." He now has received from Christ:


A. A renewed mind,
B. New commitments,
C. A new direction and a new goal,
D. A new Lord
E. New presuppositions in the world of thought.
F. The Believer's thinking ought to be rooted in Christ

V. The alternatives are then quite clear:

A. either ground all your thought in Christ's word
B. or follow the dictates of autonomous thought

VI. Therefore, God's Word in Scripture has absolute authority for us

A. Christianity demands ABSOLUTE TRUST in God and His Word.
B. Christianity demands ABSOLUTE REPENTANCE.
C. Christianity demands ABSOLUTE SUBMISSION.


Biblical Apologetics, Part 7:
Arguments Against This Position


I. Objection One: Your Position Is Obscurantist Arrogance.

A. This is an ad hominem argument:
B. We are indeed guilty of Dogmatism and Absolutism.

II. The Christian Attitude Toward This Objection: Humble Boldness.

III. Humility.
A. Our faith is a gift, not an accomplishment: Eph. 2:8-9.
B. The Repentance that leads to true knowledge is also is a gift,
C. Our faith is a gift, not an accomplishment.

IV. Boldness: What Do We Have To Be Bold About?

A. The Christian cannot compromise with non-Christian standards of thinking
B. We have the command of God, upon ourselves and extended to all men
C. We have been renewed out of ignorance into wisdom by a faith

V. Objection Two: On Your Position, the Unbeliever Could Know
Nothing,


A. Difference between Systems and Persons.
B. Christianity does not claim that unbelievers know nothing.

VI. Unavoidable Knowledge.

A. The Argument – The Absence of the Necessary Stupidity.

B. The Reply – Why the Unbeliever Knows In Spite of Himself.

VII. The Implications.

A. Since presuppositionalism is true, all of reality is one gigantic refutation of the
unbeliever's world view.
B. Therefore every fact in all of reality calls the unbeliever to repent of his autonomous
principle.

VIII. Objection Three: On Your Position, There Is No Common
Ground Between the Believer and the Unbeliever,


A. The Truth: There is no NEUTRAL ground on which the believer and the unbeliever can
meet and dialogue.
B. The Error: There is most certainly COMMON ground between the believer and the
unbeliever.
C. Therefore, the common ground but not neutral ground on which the apologetic
encounter occurs does not make apologetics futile or end the discussion before it begins.

IX. Common Ground Which Is Not Neutral – Point of Contact:

A. The God We Deal With.

B. The Sinner We Deal With.

X. The Context of Our Dealings – God the Creator meets Man the
Creature in God's Universe.


A. Reality as Revelational Pressure –
B. Evasive Maneuvers – the Sinner we deal with
C. ANY AREA OF LIFE is point of contact.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 9
The Foolishness of Unbelief


I. The Apologetic Task: Expose the wisdom of the world as
foolishness.


A. No piecemeal, atomistic defenses against individual complaints from the unbeliever.
B. Total War: A Presuppositional conflict of world views.

II. The Wisdom of This World.


A. The Presupposition of Autonomy.

B. The Lack of any Foundation (Matt. 7:26)

III. The Fool


A. His Hatred of Knowledge.

B. His Commitment to Autonomy.

C. His Destructiveness, and His Destruction.

D. His Rebellion Against Known Truth.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 10
Answering the Fool


I. This intellectual outlook of the unbeliever: The Fool.

A. His Hatred of Knowledge. Proverbs 18:2 --
B. His Commitment to Autonomy. Proverbs 12:15 –
C. His Destructiveness, and His Destruction. Proverbs 17:10 –
D. His Rebellion Against Known Truth. Psalm 19:1-4 –

II. God makes foolish the wisdom of the world and puts it to shame
through His people,


III. Answering the Fool: A Two-Fold Procedure.


A. Refuse to answer in terms of the fool's presuppositions,
B. Answer in terms of the fools presuppositions in order to show where they lead:

IV. 2 Timothy 2:23-25 – A summary of our apologetic procedure.

Avoid foolish and undisciplined questions, knowing that they produce quarrels, and a
servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but must be gentle toward all, skillful in teaching,
patient, one who courteously instructs those who oppose themselves, in perhaps God
may grant to them conversion unto a genuine knowledge of the truth.

A. The Proper Attitude: Not pugnacious, but courteous, patient, and humble.

B. The Unbeliever opposes himself. Do not let the fool set the agenda

C. Not a little new information, but a total rejection of his current world-view

V. The Source of Success: God's Sovereign Will. Conversion,
regeneration, repentance, faith –


Biblical Apologetics, Part 11
Barham's First Law and the Problem of Starting Point


I. Dealing with Barham's First Law.

A. Barham's First Law: Before anything can be done, something else must be done first.
(Principle of Infinite Regress)
B. Consequences of Barham's First Law.

II. The relationship between argumentation and world view.


A. All arguments must account for the world view out of which they come.

B. Factual argumentation may be necessary, but never sufficient.

C. Therefore, until we compare positions with the unbeliever at the presuppositional level,
we are going to be talking past each other.

III. The Problem of World-View Circularity.

A. The nature of world-view circularity. Every world view begins with an ultimate starting
point which is accepted as being:

1. The final foundation.
2. Self-validating.
3. Self-attesting.
4. Ultimate authority.
5. Unquestionable.

B. The Problem. If both participants in the Apologetic Encounter begin with such a starting
point, how can one man's starting point be shown to be superior to another's?

C. The Solution: Impossibility of the Contrary.

1. Logical form:
2. Propositional form:
3. We have already shown how all other world views make nonsense of existence.
4. But there IS meaning and intelligibility to existence.

D. Christ presents himself as self-attestingly true.

E. Refusing to Flatter Our Guest: Things we must NOT tell unbelievers.

F. The Reality: Insofar as the unbeliever is consistent with his first principles, his world
view destroys meaning, intelligibility, rationality, and hope for his existence.

IV. The Inevitable Objection: How can you assume the truth of the
Scriptures while arguing the Truth of the Scriptures?



Biblical Apologetics, Part 12
The Nature of Reason and the Necessity of Apologetics


"Defend the Bible? I would as soon defend a lion!" – attributed to C. H. Spurgeon.

I. Is Apologetics Necessary?

A. How Apologetics is NOT needed – God does not need our efforts in order to gather his
people. It is not a divine necessity.
B. How Apologetics IS needed – God chooses to require us to engage in this activity as the
means by which He gathers His people. It is a moral necessity.

II. What Apologetics is NOT – Things 1 Peter 3:15 does NOT say.

A. Apologetics is not PUGNACITY

1. an arrogant spirit out looking for a fight.
2. a spirit of intellectual superiority and pride.

B. Apologetics is not RESULTS.

1. We do not "convert" people.
2. We do not change hearts.
3. Jesus Christ, operating through the Word & Spirit, does.
4. We can close his mouth; only God can open his heart.

C. Apologetics is not MEETING THE UNBELIEVER'S STANDARDS.

III. The Place of Reason.


A. Reason is not Ultimate.

B. Reason is an attribute of God.

C. Reason is a gift

D. Reason is a capacity.


IV. Two Mistakes Regarding the Use of Reason.

A. The error of Autonomy –

1. Rightly sees that reason is a useful intellectual faculty.
2. Wrongly uses reason as the ultimate authority apart from its authoritative foundation
in the revelation of God.

B. The error of Pietism –

1. Rightly avoids the rebellion of intellectual autonomy.
2. Wrongly rejects reason as a faculty and takes an irrationalist, anti-intellectual stand,
abandoning the field of thought to the unbeliever.
3. Paul's Refutation of both errors – Col. 2 All of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge
are deposited in Christ.

a. Wisdom, knowledge, and reason are good and noble things, being aspects of the
character of God and gifts from Him to us through Christ.
b. The authority and foundation of our wisdom knowledge, and reason is only in Christ,
who is never to be separated from any of the benefits he brings to us (clothed in the
benefits).
c. Resting on and bound up in the person of Christ, who IS wisdom and knowledge and
reason, (God is identical with his attributes), our faith is no mere religious sentiment: We
have sure and certain truth from the source of truth Himself.
 
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Thanks for the outline... i'll have it for myself too
God bless
 
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My friend. It is hard to see behind a haze.

Are you preaching apologetics or are you preaching Jesus Christ? None of this mess brings anyone to Jesus. As no one can come to Jesus accept he be drawn by the Spirit of God. So man cannot glory over another's salvation, because God has wrought it.

Puffy knowledge gives glory to men, but the knowledge of God, which is in Jesus Christ gives eternal life to the glory of the Father. Neither is the kingdom of words and ideas, but it is of power, which is love. And what love other than this can save, other than that Jesus Christ died to pay the ransom for our sins, to win us to him by his giving of his own life to bring peace between us and the Father? Anyone who wants to enter another way still has the wrath of God on them. Let's focus on Jesus Christ and not on ideas.

May Jesus bless you.
Ramon,

Although I am glad that you have chosen to present your opinion on the matter, I respectfully disagree that apologetics isn't needed.

Are you preaching apologetics or are you preaching Jesus Christ?

I think that you should reconsider the tone of which you have taken in this question, here's why. I have written this not to preach apologetics, rather to respond to those that frequent the Bible Study that have the same attitude towards apologetics as you seem to have, namely that it is pointless (refer to the first objection, Ramon).

As no one can come to Jesus accept he be drawn by the Spirit of God.

The problem that I am having as I am responding to you is that it seems that you didn't take the time to read this article thoroughly. Consider the following quotes:

Thus, apologetics, like evangelism is a tool which God utilizes to draw us to Himself.

Moreover, to say that God can’t use apologetics as a tool to draw people to Himself is limiting God.

What I would like from you is to respond and rebutt what I have said in these statements instead. Until then, what you have said is futile.

So man cannot glory over another's salvation, because God has wrought it.

Lee Strobel is an excellent example to refute what you have said in this sentence. For he gives God all of the credit for his salvation despite the fact that apologetics was vital in his salvation.

Puffy knowledge gives glory to men, but the knowledge of God, which is in Jesus Christ gives eternal life to the glory of the Father.

This seems rather piculiar to say. I never postulated any type of knowledge that I have gained via my studies of apologetics. My question is are you insinuating that I am puffed up because I have apologetical knowledge? If so, what basis do you have to have such an insinuation? Furthermore, I am fully aware of the pitfalls to apologetics, God and I have already been through that and there is no need for alarm, brother.

But there is a pitfall for the evangelist as well, namely, pride. So the sword cuts both ways. :).

Neither is the kingdom of words and ideas, but it is of power, which is love.

I do not recall saying anything to the contrary, brother.

And what love other than this can save, other than that Jesus Christ died to pay the ransom for our sins, to win us to him by his giving of his own life to bring peace between us and the Father?

Nothing other than Christ can bring salvation to us. But are you willing to say that love is another means by which we are saved?

Anyone who wants to enter another way still has the wrath of God on them. Let's focus on Jesus Christ and not on ideas.

We are only saved through Christ, indeed but this doesn't mean that we aren't drawn to him by other means, namely, arguments, evidence, testimonies, or evangelism. There are countless testimonies that attest that once they have studied apologetics, they grow closer to Jesus! I would link them, but by your track record thus far, I am afraid that I would be wasting my time.

Therefore, based upon everything that you have written, I cannot come to any other conclusion than you do not wish to have a discussion on what I wrote. You didn't respond to anything that I said, seemingly misunderstood most of what I said, and refused to address anything that I said in this article.

Roman, if you do respond, the only way that I will respond is if you address the claims in the rebuttals of the objections to what others have said.

God bless you my brother in Christ,

Brandon
 
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AN OUTLINE ON BIBLICAL APOLOGETICS:
THIS IS A VERY CUT BACK VERSION OF THE ENTIRE OUTLINE --

Biblical Apologetics, Part 1
Preliminary Considerations

I Peter 3:15-16 – 15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give
an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with
meekness and fear: 16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as
of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

I. Preconditions for doing apologetics.

A. Sanctifying Christ –
B. as Lord in your heart.
C. "Every area of Life:" World View in apologetics.
D. Preparing a defense.

II. Character Qualities of the Apologist.

A. Gentleness (Meekness).
B. Reverence ("Fear").
C. Good Conscience.

III. The Apologetic Situation: Results of a Strong Christian
Character.

A. Everyone who asks you.
B. You are Slandered.
C. You are Reviled.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 2: The Myth and the Robbery of Neutrality

I. What is neutrality?

A. Definition:
B. Assumptions:

II. Why is neutrality urged on us?

III. What is wrong with neutrality?

IV. Neutrality vs. Antithesis:

A. The Old Man vs. the New Man. (Eph. 4:17ff)

B. Darkened Understanding vs. the Mind of Christ.

C. Self-Deception and Delusion vs. All the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge.

D. Blended together vs. Set Apart.

E. Adultery vs. Faithfulness.

F. Alienation vs. Reconciliation –

G. Arrogant Autonomy vs. Every Thought Captive

Biblical Apologetics, Part 3: Unbelieving Thought

I. A Summary Review of the Concept of "Neutrality."

A. The Idiocy of Neutrality.

B. The Immorality of Neutrality.

C. The Impossibility of Neutrality. Neutrality attempts to maintain two contradictory
allegiances simultaneously. This cannot be done in the world that is.

II. The True Nature of Unbelieving Thought: It Is Not Neutral! Its
Main Characteristics: Vanity and Deceitfulness.

A. Vanity

B. Deceitfulness.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 4: Conversion – The New Man and the
New Mind

I. What is it to be in Christ? The Nature of Conversion.

A. What conversion is not:

B. What conversion is:

C. Conversion is death and resurrection;

II. What is it to be "Rooted in Christ"? The nature of our life
commitments.

A. As in conversion Christ was acknowledged as Lord

B. You did not come to Christ by worldly wisdom,

C. The Christian becomes a Christian in renouncing his own autonomy

D. The Christian therefore proclaims his faith as absolutely authoritative truth.

III. What is the "Neutrality" of worldly thinking? The Gospel and
Antithesis.

A. Definition of Term:

B. The Reality behind neutrality:

C. The Reality behind the Gospel: It is Wisdom from God:

Van Til on the Nature of Biblical Authority

It is Christ as God who speaks in the Bible. Therefore the Bible does not appeal to human
reason as ultimate in order to justify what it says. It comes to the human being with
absolute authority. Its claim is that human reason must itself be taken in the sense in
which Scripture takes it, namely, as created by God and as therefore properly subject to
the authority of God... The two systems, that of the non-Christian and that of the
Christian, differ because of the fact that their basic assumptions or presuppositions differ.
On the non-Christian basis man is assumed to be the final reference point in predication....
The Reformed method... begins frankly "from above." It would "presuppose" God. But in
presupposing God it cannot place itself at any point on a neutral basis with the
non-Christian... Believers themselves have not chosen the Christian position because they
were wiser than others. What they have they have by grace alone. But this fact does not
mean that they must accept the problematics of fallen man as right or even as possibly
right. For the essence of the idea of Scripture is that it alone is the criterion of truth.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 5
Revelation as the Fountain of Knowledge

I. Neutrality and Epistemic Despair.

A. Hard Agnosticism –
B. Soft Agnosticism –
C. Relativism –

II. Commitment to Christ as the only hope for true knowledge.

A. The place of trust in Christian Epistemology –

1. Knowledge is Covenantal.
2. Knowledge is Derivative.

B. Revelation as normative –

C. Where is God's Revelation found?

1. General Revelation –
2. Special Revelation –
3. Both are covenantal in form. Implications:
4. Why does God have this authority?

Biblical Apologetics, Part 6
The Self-Attesting God

I. All knowledge is deposited in Christ; mans knowledge of the truth

A. depends upon God's prior knowledge;
B. begins with the fear of the Lord,
C. and requires submission to God's word.

II. Philosophy that doesn't presuppose God's word is deception:

A. It suppresses the Truth,
B. It submits to human traditions,
C. It reasons according to the presuppositions of the world instead of Christ.
D. It leads to a darkened mind and futile conclusions; God makes foolish the wisdom of the
world.

III. Consequences of Neutralist thinking:

A. It erases the Christians' distinctiveness,
B. It blurs the antithesis between worldly thinking and believing mind-sets,
C. It ignores the gulf between "Old Man" and "New Man."
D. The Christian who strives for neutrality endorses assumptions which are hostile to his
faith.
E. Pretended epistemic neutrality is an impossible stance between presupposing God's
word and not presupposing it, an immoral attempt to serve two lords.

IV. The Christian is a "New Man." He now has received from Christ:

A. A renewed mind,
B. New commitments,
C. A new direction and a new goal,
D. A new Lord
E. New presuppositions in the world of thought.
F. The Believer's thinking ought to be rooted in Christ

V. The alternatives are then quite clear:

A. either ground all your thought in Christ's word
B. or follow the dictates of autonomous thought

VI. Therefore, God's Word in Scripture has absolute authority for us

A. Christianity demands ABSOLUTE TRUST in God and His Word.
B. Christianity demands ABSOLUTE REPENTANCE.
C. Christianity demands ABSOLUTE SUBMISSION.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 7:
Arguments Against This Position

I. Objection One: Your Position Is Obscurantist Arrogance.

A. This is an ad hominem argument:
B. We are indeed guilty of Dogmatism and Absolutism.

II. The Christian Attitude Toward This Objection: Humble Boldness.

III. Humility.
A. Our faith is a gift, not an accomplishment: Eph. 2:8-9.
B. The Repentance that leads to true knowledge is also is a gift,
C. Our faith is a gift, not an accomplishment.

IV. Boldness: What Do We Have To Be Bold About?

A. The Christian cannot compromise with non-Christian standards of thinking
B. We have the command of God, upon ourselves and extended to all men
C. We have been renewed out of ignorance into wisdom by a faith

V. Objection Two: On Your Position, the Unbeliever Could Know
Nothing,

A. Difference between Systems and Persons.
B. Christianity does not claim that unbelievers know nothing.

VI. Unavoidable Knowledge.

A. The Argument – The Absence of the Necessary Stupidity.

B. The Reply – Why the Unbeliever Knows In Spite of Himself.

VII. The Implications.

A. Since presuppositionalism is true, all of reality is one gigantic refutation of the
unbeliever's world view.
B. Therefore every fact in all of reality calls the unbeliever to repent of his autonomous
principle.

VIII. Objection Three: On Your Position, There Is No Common
Ground Between the Believer and the Unbeliever,

A. The Truth: There is no NEUTRAL ground on which the believer and the unbeliever can
meet and dialogue.
B. The Error: There is most certainly COMMON ground between the believer and the
unbeliever.
C. Therefore, the common ground but not neutral ground on which the apologetic
encounter occurs does not make apologetics futile or end the discussion before it begins.

IX. Common Ground Which Is Not Neutral – Point of Contact:

A. The God We Deal With.

B. The Sinner We Deal With.

X. The Context of Our Dealings – God the Creator meets Man the
Creature in God's Universe.

A. Reality as Revelational Pressure –
B. Evasive Maneuvers – the Sinner we deal with
C. ANY AREA OF LIFE is point of contact.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 9
The Foolishness of Unbelief

I. The Apologetic Task: Expose the wisdom of the world as
foolishness.

A. No piecemeal, atomistic defenses against individual complaints from the unbeliever.
B. Total War: A Presuppositional conflict of world views.

II. The Wisdom of This World.

A. The Presupposition of Autonomy.

B. The Lack of any Foundation (Matt. 7:26)

III. The Fool

A. His Hatred of Knowledge.

B. His Commitment to Autonomy.

C. His Destructiveness, and His Destruction.

D. His Rebellion Against Known Truth.

Biblical Apologetics, Part 10
Answering the Fool

I. This intellectual outlook of the unbeliever: The Fool.

A. His Hatred of Knowledge. Proverbs 18:2 --
B. His Commitment to Autonomy. Proverbs 12:15 –
C. His Destructiveness, and His Destruction. Proverbs 17:10 –
D. His Rebellion Against Known Truth. Psalm 19:1-4 –

II. God makes foolish the wisdom of the world and puts it to shame
through His people,

III. Answering the Fool: A Two-Fold Procedure.

A. Refuse to answer in terms of the fool's presuppositions,
B. Answer in terms of the fools presuppositions in order to show where they lead:

IV. 2 Timothy 2:23-25 – A summary of our apologetic procedure.

Avoid foolish and undisciplined questions, knowing that they produce quarrels, and a
servant of the Lord must not quarrel, but must be gentle toward all, skillful in teaching,
patient, one who courteously instructs those who oppose themselves, in perhaps God
may grant to them conversion unto a genuine knowledge of the truth.

A. The Proper Attitude: Not pugnacious, but courteous, patient, and humble.

B. The Unbeliever opposes himself. Do not let the fool set the agenda

C. Not a little new information, but a total rejection of his current world-view

V. The Source of Success: God's Sovereign Will. Conversion,
regeneration, repentance, faith –

Biblical Apologetics, Part 11
Barham's First Law and the Problem of Starting Point

I. Dealing with Barham's First Law.

A. Barham's First Law: Before anything can be done, something else must be done first.
(Principle of Infinite Regress)
B. Consequences of Barham's First Law.

II. The relationship between argumentation and world view.

A. All arguments must account for the world view out of which they come.

B. Factual argumentation may be necessary, but never sufficient.

C. Therefore, until we compare positions with the unbeliever at the presuppositional level,
we are going to be talking past each other.

III. The Problem of World-View Circularity.

A. The nature of world-view circularity. Every world view begins with an ultimate starting
point which is accepted as being:

1. The final foundation.
2. Self-validating.
3. Self-attesting.
4. Ultimate authority.
5. Unquestionable.

B. The Problem. If both participants in the Apologetic Encounter begin with such a starting
point, how can one man's starting point be shown to be superior to another's?

C. The Solution: Impossibility of the Contrary.

1. Logical form:
2. Propositional form:
3. We have already shown how all other world views make nonsense of existence.
4. But there IS meaning and intelligibility to existence.

D. Christ presents himself as self-attestingly true.

E. Refusing to Flatter Our Guest: Things we must NOT tell unbelievers.

F. The Reality: Insofar as the unbeliever is consistent with his first principles, his world
view destroys meaning, intelligibility, rationality, and hope for his existence.

IV. The Inevitable Objection: How can you assume the truth of the
Scriptures while arguing the Truth of the Scriptures?


Biblical Apologetics, Part 12
The Nature of Reason and the Necessity of Apologetics

"Defend the Bible? I would as soon defend a lion!" – attributed to C. H. Spurgeon.

I. Is Apologetics Necessary?

A. How Apologetics is NOT needed – God does not need our efforts in order to gather his
people. It is not a divine necessity.
B. How Apologetics IS needed – God chooses to require us to engage in this activity as the
means by which He gathers His people. It is a moral necessity.

II. What Apologetics is NOT – Things 1 Peter 3:15 does NOT say.

A. Apologetics is not PUGNACITY

1. an arrogant spirit out looking for a fight.
2. a spirit of intellectual superiority and pride.

B. Apologetics is not RESULTS.

1. We do not "convert" people.
2. We do not change hearts.
3. Jesus Christ, operating through the Word & Spirit, does.
4. We can close his mouth; only God can open his heart.

C. Apologetics is not MEETING THE UNBELIEVER'S STANDARDS.

III. The Place of Reason.

A. Reason is not Ultimate.

B. Reason is an attribute of God.

C. Reason is a gift

D. Reason is a capacity.


IV. Two Mistakes Regarding the Use of Reason.

A. The error of Autonomy –

1. Rightly sees that reason is a useful intellectual faculty.
2. Wrongly uses reason as the ultimate authority apart from its authoritative foundation
in the revelation of God.

B. The error of Pietism –

1. Rightly avoids the rebellion of intellectual autonomy.
2. Wrongly rejects reason as a faculty and takes an irrationalist, anti-intellectual stand,
abandoning the field of thought to the unbeliever.
3. Paul's Refutation of both errors – Col. 2 All of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge
are deposited in Christ.

a. Wisdom, knowledge, and reason are good and noble things, being aspects of the
character of God and gifts from Him to us through Christ.
b. The authority and foundation of our wisdom knowledge, and reason is only in Christ,
who is never to be separated from any of the benefits he brings to us (clothed in the
benefits).
c. Resting on and bound up in the person of Christ, who IS wisdom and knowledge and
reason, (God is identical with his attributes), our faith is no mere religious sentiment: We
have sure and certain truth from the source of truth Himself.
I am unsure if you agree or disagree with apologetics, here. I am sorry but I didn't read this entire post.

God bless you, brother.
 
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Ramon,

Although I am glad that you have chosen to present your opinion on the matter, I respectfully disagree that apologetics isn't needed.

Are you preaching apologetics or are you preaching Jesus Christ?

I think that you should reconsider the tone of which you have taken in this question, here's why. I have written this not to preach apologetics, rather to respond to those that frequent the Bible Study that have the same attitude towards apologetics as you seem to have, namely that it is pointless (refer to the first objection, Ramon).

As no one can come to Jesus accept he be drawn by the Spirit of God.

The problem that I am having as I am responding to you is that it seems that you didn't take the time to read this article thoroughly. Consider the following quotes:

Thus, apologetics, like evangelism is a tool which God utilizes to draw us to Himself.

Moreover, to say that God can’t use apologetics as a tool to draw people to Himself is limiting God.

What I would like from you is to respond and rebutt what I have said in these statements instead. Until then, what you have said is futile.

So man cannot glory over another's salvation, because God has wrought it.

Lee Strobel is an excellent example to refute what you have said in this sentence. For he gives God all of the credit for his salvation despite the fact that apologetics was vital in his salvation.

Puffy knowledge gives glory to men, but the knowledge of God, which is in Jesus Christ gives eternal life to the glory of the Father.

This seems rather piculiar to say. I never postulated any type of knowledge that I have gained via my studies of apologetics. My question is are you insinuating that I am puffed up because I have apologetical knowledge? If so, what basis do you have to have such an insinuation? Furthermore, I am fully aware of the pitfalls to apologetics, God and I have already been through that and there is no need for alarm, brother.

But there is a pitfall for the evangelist as well, namely, pride. So the sword cuts both ways. :).

Neither is the kingdom of words and ideas, but it is of power, which is love.

I do not recall saying anything to the contrary, brother.

And what love other than this can save, other than that Jesus Christ died to pay the ransom for our sins, to win us to him by his giving of his own life to bring peace between us and the Father?

Nothing other than Christ can bring salvation to us. But are you willing to say that love is another means by which we are saved?

Anyone who wants to enter another way still has the wrath of God on them. Let's focus on Jesus Christ and not on ideas.

We are only saved through Christ, indeed but this doesn't mean that we aren't drawn to him by other means, namely, arguments, evidence, testimonies, or evangelism. There are countless testimonies that attest that once they have studied apologetics, they grow closer to Jesus! I would link them, but by your track record thus far, I am afraid that I would be wasting my time.

Therefore, based upon everything that you have written, I cannot come to any other conclusion than you do not wish to have a discussion on what I wrote. You didn't respond to anything that I said, seemingly misunderstood most of what I said, and refused to address anything that I said in this article.

Roman, if you do respond, the only way that I will respond is if you address the claims in the rebuttals of the objections to what others have said.

God bless you my brother in Christ,

Brandon
I understand what you mean. But the glory goes one way. This is why I said let's focus on Jesus and not on ideas. Let's defend the gospel of Jesus not other things.

I know a man who is an apologist but his salvation had nothing to do with apologetics. He was not converted by it at all, but on his death bed he heard the words of Jesus Christ and he was revived to life and now goes about preaching Jesus Christ everywhere. I listened to the man to see where he was, and nothing was for the glory of this apologetics, but of Jesus Christ. As he was not won by intellect but by the very Spirit of God. And this is the way we can give a reason for the hope within us. Without the Spirit all else fails, as you and I both know, many apologists also teach without knowledge because they lack the Spirit, thus it becomes a debate for the glory of them selves (puff knowledge).

May Jesus bless you.
 
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I don't think people should start the practice of correcting people until they first make sure their position is built upon the solid rock of Christ through their own person and intimate relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. They should not teach until they are first established in the ways of the Lord. Not only able to speak but LIVE the words spoken by God in obedience, humbleness and love. For teachers are held to a higher standard and one should not teach false doctrine, but everyone should be able to answer why they have faith and share the key points of salvation with anyone they encounter: faith in the heart and confession of the mouth unto salvation that Jesus Christ is Lord, died on the cross for our sins and has rose again and is in Heaven.

2 Corinthians 10:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

1 Timothy 1:3-7
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

James 3
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Indeed,[a] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
 
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I don't think people should start the practice of correcting people until they first make sure their position is built upon the solid rock of Christ through their own person and intimate relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. They should not teach until they are first established in the ways of the Lord. Not only able to speak but LIVE the words spoken by God in obedience, humbleness and love. For teachers are held to a higher standard and one should not teach false doctrine, but everyone should be able to answer why they have faith and share the key points of salvation with anyone they encounter: faith in the heart and confession of the mouth unto salvation that Jesus Christ is Lord, died on the cross for our sins and has rose again and is in Heaven.

2 Corinthians 10:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

1 Timothy 1:3-7
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

James 3
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3 Indeed,[a] we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.
I want to clearify for everyone, the reason that I wrote this in the first place was because I do not think on my feet when debating. Some people who frequent the Bible Study Room in the chat raised these objections, hence the quotations, and this is where I responded to those objections. Having said that, I do not wish to preach apologetics in this fourm, though it is Biblical and we ought to practice apologetics for this reason alone. So please, the next person that decides to read and respond to this, be clear on what you have to say, and if you do not believe that apologetics is necessary, lay out your response to my rebuttals to the objections that were raised. Thank you.

Ananda,

I don't think people should start the practice of correcting people until they first make sure their position is built upon the solid rock of Christ through their own person and intimate relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. They should not teach until they are first established in the ways of the Lord.

Ananda, I am unsure as to what any of this has to do with what I wrote concerning objections that people have raised against apologetics. For this reason, I have no response and will not have one until you clearify for me as to exactly what you mean. :).

Upon reading your post, it seems as though you agree with apologetics --I hope that I am correct in this analysis. And I concur, teachers are held to a greater responsiblity, indeed. However, God has given this resposiblity to me, so because of Him, I'll be fine and led of Him!

Blessings,

Brandon
 
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Hyvent you know the bible says that if your not the eye therefore your not part of the body :)
 
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Ananda, I am unsure as to what any of this has to do with what I wrote concerning objections that people have raised against apologetics. For this reason, I have no response and will not have one until you clearify for me as to exactly what you mean. :).

Upon reading your post, it seems as though you agree with apologetics --I hope that I am correct in this analysis. And I concur, teachers are held to a greater responsiblity, indeed. However, God has given this resposiblity to me, so because of Him, I'll be fine and led of Him!

Blessings,

Brandon
:) yes Brandon I agree apologetics are important for everyone to learn.

I think we should all be able to explain in simple terms why we believe as we do when asked and lead people to Jesus. However I think we should not fight with one another but learn with humbleness of heart and heartfelt prayer what God's truth is and speak upon that :)

May you stay blessed and grow in Christ so that you may readily answer from the heart with God's light questions of this lost world so desperately in need of God. If people ask why we should study I would tell them that God commanded we seek with diligence knowledge so that we might be mature Christians and learn to discern truth from lies and not be forever babies suckling on milk and not growing into righteousness in Christ. :)

Hebrews 5
Spiritual Immaturity
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


2 Peter 1

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
 
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]This is a compilation of objections that, in my experience, Christians have risen.

Before I begin, consider what 2 Timothy 3:16 says:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Considering this, the fact that giving a defense to those that ask of us for a reason of the hope that is in us is required; how can anyone say that apologetics is pointless?

Having said that, let’s begin shall we?

Objection 1: “There is no point of doing Apologetics because it doesn’t save anyone.”

Objection 2: “Debating and arguments are of the flesh, which relies on the mind, and since the mind is enmity against God; it is wrong to debate.”

Objection 3: “Oh no, I am using scripture and not man’s wisdom, therefore, debating isn’t bad."

Objection 4: “I have faith that God exists.”

Objection 5: “We don’t have to defend God; He can do that all by himself."
lol I'm a simple person and I'll answer the objection too ;)

1. you do Apologetics like you would do any other works for the Glory of God. would you say there is no point in feeding the poor and helping orphans because those actions do not save either but God asks us to do such things.

2. though we walk in the flesh we do not war in the flesh, our weapons are spiritual and the battlefield is the mind. Our weapons are words and thoughts to pull down strongholds that allow sin to remain in our lives and wars against the knowledge of God.

3. arguing useless points is bad for it does not edify. even satan used the scriptures and twisted their meanings to fit his selfishness. Being Christian is not just about WORDS but about an intimate walk with God we must us the Holy Spirit to discern good and evil and use the sword to cut through the lies and deceptions Satan will try and use to enslave us again to sin of worldliness and self righteousness

4. do you have faith that Jesus said make disciples of the nations?

5. that is like saying I don't have to do anything God says, He can do it Himself. It is sinful and disobedient and people need to repent for justifying their slothfulness.

ok those are my answers to the five objections listed. Stay blessed and seek God with your whole heart, mind and soul. Do not forget to pray and listen to God in the quietness when it can be just YOU and God because that is when you do the most growing.

E. M. Bounds

"What the Church needs to-day is not more machinery or better, not new organizations or more and novel methods, but men whom the Holy Ghost can use -- men of prayer, men mighty in prayer. The Holy Ghost does not flow through methods, but through men. He does not come on machinery, but on men. He does not anoint plans, but men -- men of prayer." - EM Bounds