1 John 2:19—Proof of Eternal Security?

[Everlasting-Grace]

That's your conclusion. It's not in the text.

actually it is, when it is said they were NEVER of us

If they were once saved, John would have to say they were of us at one time, but they departed from us and are no longer of us..

 

[EDENgate]

I'm sorry for your condition. You do have ADD, have you not? They're doing great things for that these days.

So why do you assume someone is trying to earn salvation by works simply because the don't subscribe to eternal security? It's quite illogical.

It is illogical for anyone to attempt to refute the Gospel on a Gospel loving Christian forum.

Insisting,time and again, Jesus failed,God lied, and auto-theism is key to saving ourselves.

Sorry for that condition. There is a treatment for it though. But only for those God calls to his Son Jesus. It's called the Gospel.
Amen.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Actually yes there is

1. They left us, You can't leave us unless you have been walking with us. No one does that unless the claim to be a believer,, No person who is an unbeliever would be considered to be walking with us
2. they were not of us - They were not a true part of the church. they just walked with us. not everyone who walks with us in the church is saved. there are many make believers who never had true faith, then left and now deny christ. they are anti christ.

Well, thats the two options, but the details arent layed out for us, so there is nothing more for us to make of it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Well, thats the two options, but the details arent layed out for us, so there is nothing more for us to make of it.

Those are the only two options.

the Only reason t say there might be another is you do not like the options

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I might agree except for this, if you mean what it appears. You seem to be implying the "false apostles" aren't born again; they are deceiving those who are born again. Again, it can't be established from the text itself that these people aren't born again.

Just look at how many on this forum are preaching false doctrines, and it would be my guess that they are all born again.

 

[JohnRH]

where does it say apostle?

That which ... which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled ... 1 John 1:1 (KJV)

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you ... 1 John 1:3 (KJV)

 

[EDENgate]

Just look at how many on this forum are preaching false doctrines, and it would be my guess that they are all born again.

All?🤔

If Holy Spirit leads us to understanding because we are no longer in our sin nature and natural mind, how do we insist false teachings are informed by Holy Spirit?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

All?🤔

If Holy Spirit leads us to understanding because we are no longer in our sin nature and natural mind, how do we insist false teachings are informed by Holy Spirit?

Only the truth contained in Jesus doctrine is revealed by the Holy Spirit to the remnant of the house of Israel.