Did Adam and Eve violate the Ten Commandments ?

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

Satan was offended (unraveled) by God's choice for His heirs: creatures that were less powerful than the angels. Satan was designed to serve the whole House of God and that meant serving creatures who were less powerful than him.

Also, because of God the Father's covenant with God the Son, to make man in His image and likeness, if Satan ruined God's plan then he would successfully usurp God proving He was not all powerful.

What Satan did not witness was that, before he was created, God the Son provided the means for man's redemption as the "Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the earth". This was hidden from Satan and his angels. God knew man would sin but He provided a means to preserve man as His heir before man was created.

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

Satan was offended (unraveled) by God's choice for His heirs: creatures that were less powerful than the angels. Satan was designed to serve the whole House of God and that meant serving creatures who were less powerful than him.

Also, because of God the Father's covenant with God the Son, to make man in His image and likeness, if Satan ruined God's plan then he would successfully usurp God proving He was not all powerful.

What Satan did not witness was that, before he was created, God the Son provided the means for man's redemption as the "Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the earth". This was hidden from Satan and his angels. God knew man would sin but He provided a means to preserve man as His heir before man was created.

amen the whole plan is about the seperation of darkness and light both in heaven and on earth

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

Cameron143 said:

You're welcome.

Also consider that man was a third party beneficiary of the covenant between the Father and Son. They agreed to make man in their image and likeness, imbued him with their Spirit, and provided for his means of care and protection (much like a child born to a husband and wife simply shows up into a household of peace and good order). The man simply had to show up.

Now, showing up (being born) is not the end of the matter. The man learned he was destined to take up the estate of his Father in the earth, to expand His kingdom (if you will) in time and space. Therefore, man, in order to expand the kingdom of his Father must remain continually like his Father. This is where Adam and Eve fell out of grace and were no longer suitable vessels to carry the full grace of God (they retained some: that is why Adam lived so long after his sin).

Cameron143 · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

You're welcome.

Also consider that man was a third party beneficiary of the covenant between the Father and Son. They agreed to make man in their image and likeness, imbued him with their Spirit, and provided for his means of care and protection (much like a child born to a husband and wife simply shows up into a household of peace and good order). The man simply had to show up.

Now, showing up (being born) is not the end of the matter. The man learned he was destined to take up the estate of his Father in the earth, to expand His kingdom (if you will) in time and space. Therefore, man, in order to expand the kingdom of his Father must remain continually like his Father. This is where Adam and Eve fell out of grace and were no longer suitable vessels to carry the full grace of God (they retained some: that is why Adam lived so long after his sin).

Again, always blessed as fellow believers share as the Lord leads them.

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God was giving them time to repent because by nature he doesn’t Will that we perish but that we come to repentance and live man dying was not Gods plan man being free and made after his image and life is his Will for us

man actually caused God to repent for creating us this shows that his plan was not for man to come to genesis 6 but he blames man for it

you can clearly see at this point mankknd had corrupted what God created and intended that’s why it causes repentance in him for creating us and why he shortens mans life to 120 years we’ve become wicked now

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.( he just cut mans life from a thousand year span to 120 years because man has become wicked apart from his Will based on tbier freedom and dominion they followed satans Will )

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created ( Godnis repenting for creating us because we corrupted his kingdom ) from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. ( this proves things aren’t going according to his plan specifically because of mans state in the creation we ruined what he gave us )

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. ( we did that not God he just looked and saw it )

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3, 5-7, 11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s important that we understand why man fell and what the result of that fall was in order to understand the plan of redemption through a man

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

“but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God was giving them time to repent because by nature he doesn’t Will that we perish but that we come to repentance and live man dying was not Gods plan man being free and made after his image and life is his Will for us

man actually caused God to repent for creating us this shows that his plan was not for man to come to genesis 6 but he blames man for it

you can clearly see at this point mankknd had corrupted what God created and intended that’s why it causes repentance in him for creating us and why he shortens mans life to 120 years we’ve become wicked now

“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.( he just cut mans life from a thousand year span to 120 years because man has become wicked apart from his Will based on tbier freedom and dominion they followed satans Will )

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created ( Godnis repenting for creating us because we corrupted his kingdom ) from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. ( this proves things aren’t going according to his plan specifically because of mans state in the creation we ruined what he gave us )

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. ( we did that not God he just looked and saw it )

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3, 5-7, 11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s important that we understand why man fell and what the result of that fall was in order to understand the plan of redemption through a man

God knew the end from the beginning.

Man's days = 120 years was the time between the pronouncement and the flood.

Furthermore, Noah lived much longer than 120 years (600), his sons did too, as well as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I also see a distinction between the race of man (these are the "many other sons and daughters" referenced in Genesis) and the sons of God (called by name in Genesis). The "daughters of men" are not of the house of God: merely other women from other houses, families who did not carry on in the grace of God.

God approaches Noah, righteous among his generation (obviously for believing God and living as such), to build the ark. Noah obeys God in everything. The grace of God is resident in Noah and so he and his family are chosen to start anew after the flood.

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

What I’m saying is if we accept that part in my last post this part makes sense much better if we don’t bc they what that says and then consider this promise of a new thing he’s doing to save us from that curse for sin

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. ( Israel’s destruction )

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: ( the remnant ) and mine elect shall inherit it, ( the church ) and my servants shall dwell there.

But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, ( Jesus disciples ) but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-9, 11-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭48:6-7‬ ‭

the Bible is a comprehensive message about what happened , what’s happening and what will come later for believers We see how even though mankind spoiled and delayed Gods plan by serving sin which is not Gods Will for us but satans Will , he has a complete plan ready from beforehand to redeem us first from all Nations of this world

“Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:25-

He’s telling them theyre going to be “ “ born again of his spirit “ and he’s going to change thier hearts of stone and cause them to become obedient to his words. He’s going to re create them, changing thier inner issues of rebellious heart and spirit and thhen he promises also a new perfect world for those who are redeemed from this corrupt world

Eventually we see the end of one creation revealed , and a new beginning of an eternal one beyond corruption in Christ

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

….Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10,

we’re of the other world made of promise , we just have to travel through this one to get there we have better promises ahead and we don’t belong to this corrupt world ending soon we are of faith

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our city is not on this earth or on this short lifetime we see now

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭

if we accept what happened to cause the end of this world and learn from it we can enter into the next through Christ and his spirit changing us at the heart and core through the gospel

he really can change our spirit from one that really craves sin to one that is sparking with flames to begin to know him more and walk in his perfect ways more as we grow up knowing we have atonement in him when we’ve made a mistake so we can freely repent and be forgiven it’s already purchased

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

“God knew the end from the beginning.”

yes I agree I never said anything different God has foreknowledge of all things past present and future it doesn’t change the fact that e need to know what happened to cause the end of this world and cause us to become sinners worthy of destruction right ? The Bible is about explaining things To those willing to hear it it’s not about everything God knows but what he’s telling us

By simply not ignoring what’s there and instead learning what’s there and accepting it it begins to make sense rather than being a giant mysterious book that no one can understand

can you acknowledge this part before we move on ?

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

can you acknolwedge this is not what God intended for us to become and the ata why he says he’s going to destroy them all because they have corrupted his way on earth and corrupted the earth also ?

That has nothing to do with what God knew or didn’t know I’m asking can you acknowledge Gods not happy with what he has created and what has happened because of man’s rule on earth ? And that’s why he said he was going to do this to his creation

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭

is God again saying “ because of what they have done I’m going to do this ? “

And then Wouldnt that make this make perfect sense and be an explaination of why he’s going to do this for the saved ?

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See this doesn’t have anything to do with whether God knows all in any way it has to do with God being all sufficient to bring his Will to pass even when his own creation turns against him willfully he’s able to redeem his plans for us from the very beginning

if we start acknowledging things we never knew from the Old Testament we’re going to understand the New Testament promises of faith and a new better creation with Jesus way better

Jesus has become the new Adam for eternal things

soberxp · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

This kind of power struggle in court drama seems not suitable for the story of the Bible, and people seem to imagine things too simple. Maybe Satan just uses the people created by God as his own fun, which is a kind of bad fun. Anyway, it's the way we can't understand.

Perhaps Satan's goal is to become a creature like God, but things are not as simple as we imagine.

It may be known from Satan's words that Satan did not eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil, but Satan's words said that eating it could be like God. Maybe the idea of imagining themself became as God did not just appear in the mind of Eve, after all, they were all created by God.

So it is reasonable to guess that the serpent should have eaten the fruit of the tree of life, otherwise there is no reason that Satan can live so long. According to God's words, even if Adam eats the fruit of the tree of good and evil, he will not die if he eats the fruit of the tree of life again. Since serpent are cunning, only God knows how much fruit serpent eat.

But the strange thing is that Adam and Eve did not want to eat the fruit of the tree of life or the tree of good and evil from the very beginning. So what did they eat before?

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

soberxp said:

You have to understand the Kingdom from the view of heaven. Then it becomes much clearer. And it is rather simple.

Furthermore, it was never a struggle of power. God, who is all-powerful, has no equal. Satan could only seek to corrupt the plan of God through the beings who were not all-powerful: humans and other angels. A perfect being (God) who cannot keep His word (to have men as his heirs) is no longer perfect.

Satan was already created to exist through the ages attending the House of God, therefore, there was no need to extend his life with a fruit.

They ate anything else that was given to them, including fruit from other trees.

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

Sure. My comment was only that it was not absolute: Noah was found to be righteous. God could not destroy man completely and simultaneously keep His word to have man as His heirs.

And yes, only a lineage of man, perfect in the One Christ, could fulfill God's original intent.

"Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel."

soberxp · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

I do not underestimate God's ability, nor do I think that God will really regret the creation of human beings. My view is that God wants to save not only human beings, but also Satan created by him. Perhaps the simplest way to save human beings is simply to physically and spiritually eliminate Satan, who is behind the scenes, but God did not do so. God's disappointment to human beings may be due to the fact that human beings are actually in the same boat with Satan.

This may be the real anger of God. God regards people as creatures who can stand in the same position with him, but God may be disappointed on the fact.

This is just my opinion. You don't have to accept it.

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

soberxp said:

Satan's sole purpose was to serve the house of God. He was not created for any other purpose. There is no way or reason to redeem him. God will simply make more angels if they are needed.

Adam was created to inherit the estate of God, to bring it into the earth and to administrate it in perpetuity.

God's choice of man as His heir must not only be right, it must also appear right. Those who operate within the grace of God can command angels and creation but it is better that they are part of the House that God is building.

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

Amen brother I was just continuing the line of thinking and adding some thoughts

I liked what you were saying about “why “ the angels rebelled I like sometimes when you elaborate off script you usually hit nail on the head for me which connects a dot elsewhere I’d been wondering about always appreciated brother

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

Pilgrimshope said:

Your deep dives into the scriptures are like framework to me. Sometimes I feel as if I am painting and decorating a room after it is built.

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭14:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

“and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they had something and they lost it when they rebelled against Gods Will I thought earlier you were saying they were jealous because God gave man the dominion and chose man to rule earth

it’s in that sin that they first committed that all of Gods creation was led astray and so it’s sort of like cain he was equal to abel and shod even warned him to repent and he would also Be accepted just like abel but being informed of this he then rebelled against the offer God made him and murdered his brother to solve the issue of him being preferred

“And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this could have saved cain if he heard it but he didn’t he rebelled and committed the first murder of his little brother.

Satan is responsible for his actions also as man is

Everyone who ends up in hell with Satan is going to be there because. They also knew and rebelled against Gods declaration in the same way and wouldnt repent like cain did

Pilgrimshope · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

funny I feel the same way like sometimes your posts and a few other folks inspires me to share the scriptures supporting what’s hey are saying d have been trying to explain for awhile here sometimes it finally sinks in for me and I remember all the scripture that says the same things to support it

I’m glad there’s a mutual benefit brother it’s truly there and mostly I really really appreciate that when you and I don’t necessarily completely agree on details or thoughts you always act in a mature and brotherly spirit , never make accusations of heresy or any of that silly immature way a very few do here

it’s always a benefit and has been for me since we met here and continues to be a peaceful and rewarding experience always !!! ❤️ I know your a brother in Christ

soberxp · Nov 4, 2022

Aaron56 said:

But at least Satan will strengthen our faith to some extent. The more evil Satan is, the stronger our faith may be. This may also be the reason why God has not eliminated Satan so far. Even the Bible only says that Satan will eventually suffer eternal pain, but it does not mean complete death, if I do not understand it wrong.

This is already very kind.But some people may think it is more cruel, who knows? Anyway, I know someone will think that if he doesn't know the meaning of life.

Aaron56 · Nov 4, 2022

soberxp said:

I hear ya.

Wisdom taught me consider the nature of God in absolutes... meaning not wavering but immutable. Not that He can't change His mind, but rather that His nature is the standard for all: goodness, patience, love, etc. I am fascinated by how God describes Himself (all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, etc.) by using terms of art or, to put it another way: how He can be known by the written or spoken word and revealed to us in our spirits. Completely fascinating!

Nehemiah6 · Nov 4, 2022

soberxp said:

This is about as confused as one can choose to get.
1. The Ten Commandments did not exist at creation.
2. If God said that Adam and Eve were guilty, then they were guilty.
3. Eve made a conscious decision to disobey God. Satan simply presented the temptations.
4. Adam's sin is in fact called "original sin" since it was the origin of all human sinning.
5. God gave this pair just one commandment, which they disobeyed. So should that not be a "Yes"?

Did Adam and Eve violate the Ten Commandments ?

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