Christians Are Not Sinners
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how is your comprehension? I would consider that you need to work on it
just give one example of me or ANYONE in this thread saying we do not sin
don't laugh.....we are not sinners...we are redeemed and no longer under condemnation
it is not my fault if you cannot understand that does not mean we can still sin
negative emojis? you don't like that apparently. well, here comes another
just give one example of me or ANYONE in this thread saying we do not sin
don't laugh.....we are not sinners...we are redeemed and no longer under condemnation
it is not my fault if you cannot understand that does not mean we can still sin
negative emojis? you don't like that apparently. well, here comes another
Paul was that, yes.
Jesus appeared to Paul because Jesus knew Paul's heart, that he WANTED to do what is right, that he thought he was doing what is right. He didn't believe Jesus was the Christ.
After becoming a Christian, and maturing, he was no longer literally the chief of sinners. But as a Christian matures, he starts to realize how much he does sin (Rom 7). It was a statement of humility.
Agreed. Anyone has the capacity to decide to believe the gospel, which is why we preach it, to give people a chance to hear it. We are ambassadors for Christ.
And yet he said he was...
Jesus appeared to Paul because Jesus knew Paul's heart, that he WANTED to do what is right, that he thought he was doing what is right. He didn't believe Jesus was the Christ.
After becoming a Christian, and maturing, he was no longer literally the chief of sinners. But as a Christian matures, he starts to realize how much he does sin (Rom 7). It was a statement of humility.
Agreed. Anyone has the capacity to decide to believe the gospel, which is why we preach it, to give people a chance to hear it. We are ambassadors for Christ.
And yet he said he was...
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Reiterating the facts doesn't hurt for those genuinely trying to learn something.
The latter part of your observation is obvious when we encounter those who insist Jesus saves sinners from their sin....so that they are reborn as sinners who still sin.
That puts the false teachings and teachers into right perspective.
The latter part of your observation is obvious when we encounter those who insist Jesus saves sinners from their sin....so that they are reborn as sinners who still sin.
That puts the false teachings and teachers into right perspective.
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again, there are no sides here IMO. Only truths that some might call an enigma as even Peter says that some of what Paul writes is hard to understand
the simple explanation, which has been given multiple of multiple times in the course of this thread, is that while we are on this earth we have the capacity to sin and all of us will....BUT God does not view us as the sinful person we once were, but rather sees us as complete and perfect in His Son
God sees us covered in the blood of Christ. In Genesis we learn that life is in the blood. Our own blood is tainted but the blood of Christ was pure. That, is why he had to shed His blood...His life poured out...for us.
The entire sacrificial system in the OT was all about the shedding of blood, but animal blood could not really take away our sin
The blood of Christ has covered our sins so they are no longer seen by God and the Bible tells us that God has removed our sins as far as the east is from the west.
the simple explanation, which has been given multiple of multiple times in the course of this thread, is that while we are on this earth we have the capacity to sin and all of us will....BUT God does not view us as the sinful person we once were, but rather sees us as complete and perfect in His Son
God sees us covered in the blood of Christ. In Genesis we learn that life is in the blood. Our own blood is tainted but the blood of Christ was pure. That, is why he had to shed His blood...His life poured out...for us.
The entire sacrificial system in the OT was all about the shedding of blood, but animal blood could not really take away our sin
The blood of Christ has covered our sins so they are no longer seen by God and the Bible tells us that God has removed our sins as far as the east is from the west.
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There is none sinless aside from God, that’s clear. That’s enough to inform people what kind of mentality some people have. Ironically, the false gospel of sinless perfectionism is also against forum rules.
One of them followed me to a different thread to trash talk me. Seriously, this isn’t even a Bible discussion anymore. This all started after they were debunked by the Bible. Talk about a severe case of sour grapes.
One of them followed me to a different thread to trash talk me. Seriously, this isn’t even a Bible discussion anymore. This all started after they were debunked by the Bible. Talk about a severe case of sour grapes.
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I guess what I find tiresome, are those who have not really read the thread, admit it, but then go on to say we are saying that we are sinless perfectionists and keep insisting that is what is being said no matter how many times you say otherwise
not one of them can find one single post that indicates that
for those genuine in their quest for truth, I pray consideration is given
not one of them can find one single post that indicates that
for those genuine in their quest for truth, I pray consideration is given
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Trolls.
The issue is, Trolls. Google, atheist forums how to troll Christians.
There are step by step posts on those sites. I checked.
One site did pose an interesting observation about our faith forums across the net.
We all agree we're Christian. We rarely agree about anything else.
I like DuckDuckGo. No trackers.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=atheist forums how to troll Christians&ko=-1&ia=web
The issue is, Trolls. Google, atheist forums how to troll Christians.
There are step by step posts on those sites. I checked.
One site did pose an interesting observation about our faith forums across the net.
We all agree we're Christian. We rarely agree about anything else.
I like DuckDuckGo. No trackers.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=atheist forums how to troll Christians&ko=-1&ia=web
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But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell. Jesus words in Matthew 5:22
you cannot curse anyone but it is alarming you think you are in such a position so as to have God's blessing in doing so
be careful. judgement should be righteous if we choose to judge, but you are using the name of Christ in vain and your words might just come back on yourself
I forgive you in Jesus name, but I think you need to take this up with God and repent of trying to judge and send believers to hell because they do not recognize your 'spiritual gifts' and do not authenticate your visitation by an 'angel'
you cannot curse anyone but it is alarming you think you are in such a position so as to have God's blessing in doing so
be careful. judgement should be righteous if we choose to judge, but you are using the name of Christ in vain and your words might just come back on yourself
I forgive you in Jesus name, but I think you need to take this up with God and repent of trying to judge and send believers to hell because they do not recognize your 'spiritual gifts' and do not authenticate your visitation by an 'angel'
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People in this thread have asked you point blank if you sin... and it's taken you up until now to finally answer the simple question with a clear and concise way.
Your "argument is purely semantic in nature - you say you not a sinner, yet also say that you do sin!
In my mind, someone that sins IS a sinner.
That our Heavenly Father doesn't "see" our sins that are covered by Christ is important in and of itself. But your conflicting articulation of that reality is more than just a little confusing, lol. Not just to Christians, but I think devastating to unbelievers.
I remember clearly a time decades ago, as a teenager/unbeliever... walking to school one day and cutting through a service station parking lot. There in the back, was a pick-up with it's front end heavily damaged... the grill was pushed up into the engine-well. It collided with great force into something huge.
As, I walked to the rear of the truck, I saw the owner had put two bumper-stickers on each side of the back bumper. They read:
"I decided to follow Jesus"
I laugh at you like at laughed that day... the absurdity of the truck owner's "witness" for Jesus was clear to me.
He followed Jesus into a horrible wreckage. I told all the other kids at school that day and boy did we laugh.
Likewise, you point out other people's faults and short-coming with ferocity, while acting just like them. LOL
And you can't seem to comprehend that your witness in that mean-spiritedness, plus your preaching that you're
not a sinner while sinning, is an embarrassment to Christians... and I fear what God feels about it all.
I pray the best for you.
Peace.
Your "argument is purely semantic in nature - you say you not a sinner, yet also say that you do sin!
In my mind, someone that sins IS a sinner.
That our Heavenly Father doesn't "see" our sins that are covered by Christ is important in and of itself. But your conflicting articulation of that reality is more than just a little confusing, lol. Not just to Christians, but I think devastating to unbelievers.
I remember clearly a time decades ago, as a teenager/unbeliever... walking to school one day and cutting through a service station parking lot. There in the back, was a pick-up with it's front end heavily damaged... the grill was pushed up into the engine-well. It collided with great force into something huge.
As, I walked to the rear of the truck, I saw the owner had put two bumper-stickers on each side of the back bumper. They read:
"I decided to follow Jesus"
I laugh at you like at laughed that day... the absurdity of the truck owner's "witness" for Jesus was clear to me.
He followed Jesus into a horrible wreckage. I told all the other kids at school that day and boy did we laugh.
Likewise, you point out other people's faults and short-coming with ferocity, while acting just like them. LOL
And you can't seem to comprehend that your witness in that mean-spiritedness, plus your preaching that you're
not a sinner while sinning, is an embarrassment to Christians... and I fear what God feels about it all.
I pray the best for you.
Peace.
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The only one who will be renounced is you and I do so in the name of Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit.
is what you said
whatever spirit encourages you to address others like this, is not bearing good fruit
I do encourage you to repent of what you said
I find the Bible tells us to have nothing to do with someone who causes division and otherwise just argues and believes they have some kind of anointing to curse others
you have shown exactly who you really are
is what you said
whatever spirit encourages you to address others like this, is not bearing good fruit
I do encourage you to repent of what you said
I find the Bible tells us to have nothing to do with someone who causes division and otherwise just argues and believes they have some kind of anointing to curse others
you have shown exactly who you really are
I agree...it is not a reality in this life but wonderful that we know we can come to God whenever we want and He will accept us
we do not have a guilty conscience and the only one troubling us, is the devil but he is a defeated foe
we do not have a guilty conscience and the only one troubling us, is the devil but he is a defeated foe
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