GOD'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE FOR BELIEVERS

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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE

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Most Christians have not been taught to understand that salvation is far more than being forgiven. To be a forgiven sinner is an insult to God's grace and His eternal intention for His people that are called by His name. John 13-17 (see Jn 14:20 as a "teaser") reveals God's purpose for believers which we can participate in at all times. God's ultimate desire is to be one with Him in the beauty of holiness. Still, religion and legalism are making an indent that deceives and destroys God's intention for us to be one with Him through Yeshua, our Messiah by the agency of the Holy Spirit.

Have you ever tried to be silent before the Lord and learn by experience how much He loves you? I'm talking about Father's unconditional love that yearns to have fellowship with us through His Spirit. Rev. 3:20 still applies.

John 14:20 (LSV) "In that day you will know that I [am] in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."

Do you know who you are?

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Locoponydirtman

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There is no form or fashion in which you are diety.
Jesus, said He and His Father are one.
I think it is an insult to God to be anything but humbled by His Grace. To be anything other than driven to repentance by His Grace.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
Most Christians have not been taught to understand that salvation is far more than being forgiven. To be a forgiven sinner is an insult to God's grace and His eternal intention for His people that are called by His name. John 13-17 (see Jn 14:20 as a "teaser") reveals God's purpose for believers which we can participate in at all times. God's ultimate desire is to be one with Him in the beauty of holiness. Still, religion and legalism are making an indent that deceives and destroys God's intention for us to be one with Him through Yeshua, our Messiah by the agency of the Holy Spirit.

Have you ever tried to be silent before the Lord and learn by experience how much He loves you? I'm talking about Father's unconditional love that yearns to have fellowship with us through His Spirit. Rev. 3:20 still applies.

John 14:20 (LSV) "In that day you will know that I [am] in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you."

Do you know who you are?

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If you are saying that God desires a personal relationship with us, then I agree.
 
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Yeah, I'm a forgiven sinner. Thanks for reminding me.
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If you consider yourself a "forgiven sinner", you are insulting the finished work of Christ. What you are really saying is that the Lord did not complete His work of redemption. So, either you are an adopted son of God who has His Spirit as a pledge of your inheritance, or you are nothing but someone who got lost the moment he entered the kingdom of heaven through faith in Christ.

Anyone who thinks of himself still as a sinner, guess what, he will continue to sin all the days of this life. Read Romans 12:1-2. God bless.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
Anyone who thinks of himself still as a sinner, guess what, he will continue to sin all the days of this life. Read Romans 12:1-2.
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Anyone who doesn't know he is a sinner is deceived and the truth is not in him (1 John 1:8), and regardless of what he thinks, he will continue to sin all the days of this life.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
God's ultimate desire is to be one with Him in the beauty of holiness.
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That is one of God's ultimate purposes. Believers are also children of God, and God desires the transformation, perfection, and glorification of the saints, in order to have perfect fellowship with them. He has also called His children to be kings and priests within a Royal Priesthood, and given each one an eternal and incorruptible inheritance. He has also planned to give serious and weighty governing responsibilities to those who are worthy of such. His ultimate plan is TO BE GLORIFIED in and through the Church (the Body, Bride, and Building of Christ).

EPHESIANS 1: TO THE PRAISE OF THE GLORY OF HIS GRACE
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the Beloved.
 
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VARob said:
Anyone who doesn't know he is a sinner is deceived and the truth is not in him (1 John 1:8),
and regardless of what he thinks, he will continue to sin all the days of this life.
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1 John 1:8-10~ If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His Word is not in us. :)
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That is one of God's ultimate purposes. Believers are also children of God, and God desires the transformation, perfection, and glorification of the saints, in order to have perfect fellowship with them. He has also called His children to be kings and priests within a Royal Priesthood, and given each one an eternal and incorruptible inheritance. He has also planned to give serious and weighty governing responsibilities to those who are worthy of such. His ultimate plan is TO BE GLORIFIED in and through the Church (the Body, Bride, and Building of Christ).

EPHESIANS 1: TO THE PRAISE OF THE GLORY OF HIS GRACE
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the Beloved.
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From Ephesians 1:4-6
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Anyone who doesnt see himself as a sinner saved by grace, sees himself as something and forgets his face as he saw it in a mirror and goes on living in sin. The one who knows he is a sinner saved by grace lives a life of repentance.
 
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If one depart from Christ alone, he may add priests and religious rites and relics of saints.

If one were to eliminate scripture alone, then by what teaching do we understand Christ? One may add edicts from religious leaders and human philosophies and as some do false understandings of who Christ is amd what he taught.

If one were to doubt Faith alone, he may engage in deprivation and Asceticism.

If one were to add to Grace alone, he would think that works would earn merit and make God a debtor.

And if one were to give any other reason than God's Glory alone, then he may think that God was moved by a mans own goodness and think himself as something more than a sinner worthy of both temporal and eternal punishment.

All of the departures from the sola statements are damnable and would place one far from God, and sadly leave him in the woeful position to recieve wrath.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
If you consider yourself a "forgiven sinner", you are insulting the finished work of Christ. What you are really saying is that the Lord did not complete His work of redemption. So, either you are an adopted son of God who has His Spirit as a pledge of your inheritance, or you are nothing but someone who got lost the moment he entered the kingdom of heaven through faith in Christ.

Anyone who thinks of himself still as a sinner, guess what, he will continue to sin all the days of this life. Read Romans 12:1-2. God bless. [/QUOTE

Are you implying that you do not commit sins? (1 John 1:8) I understand that those that his Father gave him (John 6:37-39) to die for on the cross to redeem them from their sins are looked upon by God as holy and without blame, (Eph 1:4) and their sins are as far away as the east is from the west (Psalms 103:12) as far as their eternal inheritance is concerned, but even though we are born again, we still do carry the baggage of our sinful nature with us. (Rom 7:25).
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Nehemiah6 said:
That is one of God's ultimate purposes. Believers are also children of God, and God desires the transformation, perfection, and glorification of the saints, in order to have perfect fellowship with them. He has also called His children to be kings and priests within a Royal Priesthood, and given each one an eternal and incorruptible inheritance. He has also planned to give serious and weighty governing responsibilities to those who are worthy of such. His ultimate plan is TO BE GLORIFIED in and through the Church (the Body, Bride, and Building of Christ).

EPHESIANS 1: TO THE PRAISE OF THE GLORY OF HIS GRACE
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the Beloved.
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I could not have said it better myself.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
To be a forgiven sinner is an insult to God's grace and His eternal intention for His people that are called by His name.
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Poor choice of grammar there bro. Forgiving all of the sins of the fallen race of Adam (granted to whomsoever calleth upon His name) is the ultimate manifestation and loftiest example of God's grace and love. Furthermore, it is an absolutely necessary prerequisite in the reconciliatory aspect of God's plan for us.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
There is no form or fashion in which you are diety.
Jesus, said He and His Father are one.
I think it is an insult to God to be anything but humbled by His Grace. To be anything other than driven to repentance by His Grace.
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John 17:21
that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.


2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
 
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cv5 said:
Poor choice of grammar there bro. Forgiving all of the sins of the fallen race of Adam (granted to whomsoever calleth upon His name) is the ultimate manifestation and loftiest example of God's grace and love. Furthermore, it is an absolutely necessary prerequisite in the reconciliatory aspect of God's plan for us.
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For many years I heard the term “I am a forgiven sinner”, so that’s not poor grammar but poor beliefs on the part of many Christians.
 
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MISSION-IMPOSSIBLE said:
For many years I heard the term “I am a forgiven sinner”, so that’s not poor grammar but poor beliefs on the part of many Christians.
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Forgiven or unforgiven. Either way, we're all sinners.

It's best to be a Christian, a forgiven sinner.
 
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[QUOTE="VARob, post: 4955982, member: 304022"]Anyone who doesn't know he is a sinner is deceived and the truth is not in him (1 John 1:8), and regardless of what he thinks, he will continue to sin all the days of this life.[/QUOTE]

That’s not what 1 John 1:8 says or means. John is speaking about those who habitually sin and/or who deny they sin from time to time. So either you are a sinner or a saint. If you see yourself as a sinner, you will never renew your mind to recognize that you are sitting in heavenly places in Christ (Epf. 2:2).
 
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