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"Yahshua"? We I say this truly wondering about "neither calvin or luther or spurgeon or henry or augustine or popes or preachers today know that Psalm 119 is Messiah". Well its a bold statement how do you back it up? I know those you named but who are you? For me what gives this away is how they didn't get it see it and maybe not even Paul but you did? That really should say everything we need to know. I guess one could see this yet miss what Jesus name really is. Like always I again searched. But its not like Christ does not know who we mean. The blind see and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them. Even with that name of JESUS!
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3:45 am need to take a break and come back and further look at this. Seems to make sense. Jesus was the fulfillment of the law I think is stated somewhere and seems that this is the prophecy of that position which the Father sent Jesus to fulfil. I need to run this by someone I know that has been around a lot longer than me but I realize what you are pointing out concerning people that you would think should see what you point to here and they are fixated on a different view. Seems that what JaumeJ points out also is applicable here. I also think of Zophar's comment to Job regarding God's wisdom being double as indicating multiple meaning for Scripture. I know also that some people would do well if the olympics had an event 'jumping to conclusions'. The admonish regarding contempt prior to investigation should be adhered to. 4:01 am I may not be good but I am slow. Believe or not I used that line on a job interview and got the job. Of course it was with a government agency JPL.
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These commentators come very close to the significance of Psalm 119 as you are pointing out.............................
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/kad/psalms/119.htm..............................For those who would understand the Bible the following....
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/kad/psalms/119.htm..............................For those who would understand the Bible the following....
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Yes. But I disagree with your view.
Read verse 1 again and see EXACTLY what it says. This Psalm is NOT about the 10 commandments, Moses Law. This Psalm is about someone who is wanting to be saved, wanting to walk in Gods Real Law. (See Ezekiel 36:26-27)
This is Davids Prayer.
Psalm 119 is like Pauls Prayer in Ephesians 1:16-23
Read verse 1 again and see EXACTLY what it says. This Psalm is NOT about the 10 commandments, Moses Law. This Psalm is about someone who is wanting to be saved, wanting to walk in Gods Real Law. (See Ezekiel 36:26-27)
This is Davids Prayer.
Psalm 119 is like Pauls Prayer in Ephesians 1:16-23
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Only for the One who kept the law perfectly. My personal take on this is that Jesus or the Holy Spirit inspired the Psalmist of 119 so this would be available for Jesus to pray at 1st Advent. I am fairly new to Bible so take all this in consideration. I have come across some history which talks of controversy regarding 1st Advent and whether Jesus was fully human or Spirit or combination and there are specific Greekish words for these possibilities. My take is Jesus flesh and blood provided by The Father was fully human and that is why He necessarily had to inspire the Psalmist of 119 knowing the severity of what was to come. None of us can fully appreciate the severity of The Crucifixion. As I understand it, He had to also accept the wrath of His Father which was what would have been on us had Jesus not accepted it and maybe He upon death for some time even the Spirit which was poured out upon him in abundance may have been in jeopardy. Now this last part is super speculative and not significant in itself knowing that Jesus rose from death and ultimately ascended to be at His Father's Right Hand and is in control and may be getting a bit of a lol out of people trying to speculate how things in God's Kingdom work since we are told 1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But to me you have been given a measure of God's Holy Spirit to have seen this and I get the sense that maybe these things are occurring as we get closer to 2nd Advent. I have had numerous, maybe 4 occurrences that can only be explained as supernatural and according to Hebrews 1:14 in at least 1 instance. 1 Thess. 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Provided this all proves accurate.
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thank you to all for the views and comments and discussion.
very few quotes from Psalm 119 offered to refute the premise of the thread. verse 176 was pointed out which was addressed to show that verse 176 is actually one of the best proofs if Psalm 119 being Messiah's prayer for life. He ever referred to Himself as a "slain Lamb" in the verse and we know Who the "slain Lamb" is.
since no other verses were offered to refute that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life that must mean you can find little to no evidence from the Psalm to support it being anything else but the Son's prayer for life.
very few quotes from Psalm 119 offered to refute the premise of the thread. verse 176 was pointed out which was addressed to show that verse 176 is actually one of the best proofs if Psalm 119 being Messiah's prayer for life. He ever referred to Himself as a "slain Lamb" in the verse and we know Who the "slain Lamb" is.
since no other verses were offered to refute that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life that must mean you can find little to no evidence from the Psalm to support it being anything else but the Son's prayer for life.
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since no one offered any early Church expositors comments that indicate they knew Psalm 119 was the Son's prayer for life, that would seem to imply they did not know or write about it. not being much studied in commentaries, the abscense of any correction to the assertion that they did not know seems to back up the title of the thread.
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it is true that knowing Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life according to the promise of life in the law to Him and Him alone is the key to understanding Scripture. not sure if Luther understood that part. did not read all his writings. just read a little of his Psalm 119 commentary where he did not seem to get it.
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The Son was saved from death by His complete obedience to the law which required Him to give His life to save us. that is why He praises the law throughout Psalm 119 and asks the Father to raise Him to life again according to the promise of life in the law to Him. He was saved from death by His obedience, faith and love which is what His prayer in Psalm 119 is all about.
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the Hebrew work translated quicken in Psalm 119 in many translations is haya H2421. it means to live and life. it is used 262 times in the OT and translated live 153 times and alive 34 times. it means just that, to live. it is not about quality or abundance of life.
here is a breakdown of the words used in translation for haya in the KJV from the blueletterbible site.
The KJV translates Strong's H2421 in the following manner: live (153x), alive (34x), save (13x), quicken (14x), revive (12x), surely (10x), life (9x), recover (8x), miscellaneous (9x).
here is a breakdown of the words used in translation for haya in the KJV from the blueletterbible site.
The KJV translates Strong's H2421 in the following manner: live (153x), alive (34x), save (13x), quicken (14x), revive (12x), surely (10x), life (9x), recover (8x), miscellaneous (9x).
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there are some verses in Psalm 119 that prove it is the Son's prayer for life because of His obedience to the law and the promise of life in the law to Him. those verses preclude it from being anyone else's prayer. one of the main ones are verse 106 and 107
106. I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
107. I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O YHVH, according unto thy word.
He took an oath and confirmed it to keep His Father's judgments which is the Hebrew word mispat H4941. you can look up that word and see where it is used in other verses. One place it is used is in Leviticus 18:5 which is the promise of life in the law to Him
Leviticus 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep My statutes, and My judgments: H4941 which if a Man do, He shall live by them: I am YHVH.
So the Son took an oath to keep His Father's judgments which is an oath to keep the law. no one else could pray that prayer. He is the only One Who kept the law which required Him to give His life to save us. He also praises the Torah throughout Psalm 119 which was His path to life and being raised from the dead.
in verse 107 the affliction He was speaking of was death. the word quicken is haya H2421 again. He is asking His Father to raise Him to life again after giving His life to save us in obedience to the law and keeping His Father's judgements. It was His Father Who required Him to offer His life for us. His Son performed it.
106. I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
107. I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O YHVH, according unto thy word.
He took an oath and confirmed it to keep His Father's judgments which is the Hebrew word mispat H4941. you can look up that word and see where it is used in other verses. One place it is used is in Leviticus 18:5 which is the promise of life in the law to Him
Leviticus 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep My statutes, and My judgments: H4941 which if a Man do, He shall live by them: I am YHVH.
So the Son took an oath to keep His Father's judgments which is an oath to keep the law. no one else could pray that prayer. He is the only One Who kept the law which required Him to give His life to save us. He also praises the Torah throughout Psalm 119 which was His path to life and being raised from the dead.
in verse 107 the affliction He was speaking of was death. the word quicken is haya H2421 again. He is asking His Father to raise Him to life again after giving His life to save us in obedience to the law and keeping His Father's judgements. It was His Father Who required Him to offer His life for us. His Son performed it.
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watched numerous yt vids about Psalm 119. started this guys 7 or 9 hour one but only checked a little. he did not seem to understand that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life from the snippets. there was one preacher who posted a vid about a week ago who said Psalm 119 was the Son or sounded like Him. he was almost there but did not mention the promise of life in the law to the Son which is the basis of His prayer in Psalm 119 asking for His Father to keep His promise to raise Him to life again after He gave His life to save us.
thanks for the vid.
thanks for the vid.
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if you bring verses from the Psalm to refute it is the Son's prayer, we can discuss. no way it is David's prayer. no need to recount his let's say indiscretions to prove it. he could certainly not take an oath to keep YAH's judgments and laws. that horse already left the barn just like the rest of us. only the Son could have prayed Psalm 119 and kept it because the law required Him to offer His life as a sacrifice.
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Magenta I was going to ask if you remember where a certain Scripture is that relates to a particular topic when you see it on a thread or a post in a thread. I often get an idea of scriptures that might relate but usually fuzzy and have to use a KJV search program which I downloaded, free, about 4 or 5 yrs ago from a preacher that in Missouri that I thought was onto something. Or at least I thought I could trust. WRONG This guy has nice explanation here. I go along with Evyanly in that I see Jesus having used 119 for His particular aid by Him praying 119 and maybe specially in Gethsemane. SPECULATION...But I was reading the Psalms like prayers and can only use maybe one verse in some Psalms but I can see Jesus having been able to use all of 119. I don't see me remembering many scriptures as I on occasion say 'remember this' when I see something that signifies with me and I forget it in a flash. OH WELL
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