neither calvin or luther or spurgeon or henry or augustine or popes or preachers today know that Psalm 119 is Messiah Yahshua's prayer for life

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evyaniy

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I get the impression that you don't know Hebrew, rely on the Strong's concordance, and that you haven't researched these names, and you haven't considered whether the portion of the divine name 'Yah' works at the beginning of a word like it does at the end. is that correct? 'Yehoshua' is an attested name in Hebrew.
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if you are a Hebrew scholar then please expound and contribute on what has already been discussed about Psalm 119 being the Son's prayer for life. Do you recognize that Psalm 119 is the Son praying?

if you wish to discuss their Names further then please start a new thread and present what you know there. thank you
 
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also remember, He had not completely obeyed the law till He breathed His last breath on the cross and commended His Spirit to His Father and died. He was learning all through the process of being crucified and killed and dead to save us. He learned and was perfected through the affliction and death the law required of Him. Verse 67 is telling us exactly that as He prayed it to His Father.
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The crucifixion had nothing to do with being obedient to the Law.

There's no commandment that says a person must be crucified.


He was obedient to the Fathers plan of The Lord being the Passover Lamb and the Sin Offering through His Crucifixion.
 
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The crucifixion had nothing to do with being obedient to the Law.

There's no commandment that says a person must be crucified.


He was obedient to the Fathers plan of The Lord being the Passover Lamb and the Sin Offering through His Crucifixion.
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He was being obedient to the law to love YAH above all else. For YAH so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He was being obedient to loving His neighbor as Himself by giving His life to save His neighbors who could not save themselves.

Matthew 22:35-40

35 One of them, a Torah scholar, asked Him a question, testing Him. 36 “Rabbi, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
37 Yahshua said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 The whole Torah and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”

He was being obedient to the greatest commandments which required Him to give His life to save us in obedience to the Father Who so loved the world that He gave His only Son and loving His neighbors who could not save themselves.
 
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He was also fulfilling the law and the sacrifices, offerings and feasts. He was fulfilling the pictures and prophecies in the Torah that pointed to Him and His sacrifice to save us. Above all He was keeping the greatest commandments on which it all depends, as He told us Himself.
 
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I only meant how it relates to Hebrews. The final conclusion that was drawn was incorrect. But I did find it helpful.
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please present your reasons or evidence to conclude it is incorrect. lots of evidence and Scripture has been provided proving Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life. if you can refute it from Scripture then please do so for the benefit of those who may be reading as well as all those in the world who would benefit from knowing that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer.
 
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to say you are wrong without explaining how and why is a disservice to the information being presented.
 
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please present your reasons or evidence to conclude it is incorrect. lots of evidence and Scripture has been provided proving Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life. if you can refute it from Scripture then please do so for the benefit of those who may be reading as well as all those in the world who would benefit from knowing that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer.
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I apologize. My post was directed to another poster who disagreed with the post I quoted, which was my own.
I was only referring to the application to Hebrews and have no opinion on whether it is the Lords prayer or not.
Sorry for not making that more clear.
 
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what if understanding something so important was a responsibility to share and explain it to others.. there is a verse about that. there is no question that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer. trying to convince others is unappreciated work and not very fulfilling when it meets so much resistance.
 
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I apologize. My post was directed to another poster who disagreed with the post I quoted, which was my own.
I was only referring to the application to Hebrews and have no opinion on whether it is the Lords prayer or not.
Sorry for not making that more clear.
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thank you for explaining that and for your original post.
 
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what if understanding something so important was a responsibility to share and explain it to others.. there is a verse about that. there is no question that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer. trying to convince others is unappreciated work and not very fulfilling when it meets so much resistance.
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I appreciate your condition but it might be helpful to remember that we are to plant and water. It is God's to provide increase or not.
You don't have to be successful, only faithful.
 
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can anyone find a verse in Psalm 119 where the Son says He did not obey the law ? the 2 mistranslations using the word "astray" have already been addressed more than once whether you accept those explanations or not. it was also pointed out that in verse 106 He took an oath to keep His Father's judgments(mispat), which includes the law.
 
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I appreciate your condition but it might be helpful to remember that we are to plant and water. It is God's to provide increase or not.
You don't have to be successful, only faithful.
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that is exactly what this is about. whether successful or not is up to Him. the responsibility to present it is just that. it is His Word to reveal in His time.
 
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can anyone find a verse in Psalm 119 where the Son says He did not obey the law ? the 2 mistranslations using the word "astray" have already been addressed more than once whether you accept those explanations or not. it was also pointed out that in verse 106 He took an oath to keep His Father's judgments(mispat), which includes the law.
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Of course He kept all the commandments. Otherwise, placing our faith in Him would be useless.
 
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that is exactly what this is about. whether successful or not is up to Him. the responsibility to present it is just that. it is His Word to reveal in His time.
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I said that to encourage you. Often the work of God is rejected. Jesus Himself was rejected and continues to be rejected. It's a rare ministry that doesn't have detractors.
 
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Of course He kept all the commandments. Otherwise, placing our faith in Him would be useless.
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are you saying Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us?
 
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are you saying Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life because of His obedience to the law in giving His life to save us?
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No. I'm saying if He didn't keep the whole law for Himself, He couldn't offer His righteousness to us.
The perfection of Christ not only satisfied Him becoming acceptable to God as priest, prophet, and king, but his obedience provides us the righteousness necessary to stand before God without condemnation.
 
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think about this. if He was praying to live and saying throughout Psalm 119 that it was the promise of life in the law to the Man Who kept it, that was His claim for asking to live, because of His obedience, that means the law required Him to die to save us and He was asking to be raised from the dead when praying to live. that means it can only be the Son praying Psalm 119. which proves it is His prayer and can be no one else's.

the law promised life to the Man Who kept it. the law required Him to die to be completely obedient. He asked to be raised and live throughout Psalm 119 because He knew He had to die to be obedient to the law and save us. His Father kept the promise and raised Him to life again because He is the "Man" who completely kept the law by giving His life for us. that explains Psalm 119 and proves it is the Son's prayer.
 
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evyaniy said:
think about this. if He was praying to live and saying throughout Psalm 119 that it was the promise of life in the law to the Man Who kept it, that was His claim for asking to live, because of His obedience, that means the law required Him to die to save us and He was asking to be raised from the dead when praying to live. that means it can only be the Son praying Psalm 119. which proves it is His prayer and can be no one else's.

the law promised life to the Man Who kept it. the law required Him to die to be completely obedient. He asked to be raised and live throughout Psalm 119 because He knew He had to die to be obedient to the law and save us. His Father kept the promise and raised Him to life again because He is the "Man" who completely kept the law by giving His life for us. that explains Psalm 119 and proves it is the Son's prayer.
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I truly appreciate the explanation but I would need far more prayer and far more study to come to further understanding.
 
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