USA HAS TOTALLY ACCEPTED 'GAY' MARRIAGE

[Bob-Carabbio]

A great majority of Americans favor 'Gay Marriage'. The US Congress, Supreme Court, and the President are leading the charge to 'codify' gay marriage.

There's NO SUCH THING as a "gay" (homosexual) MARRIAGE.

 

[Cameron143]

There's NO SUCH THING as a "gay" (homosexual) MARRIAGE.

And the fact that we needed this reminder is evidence of how accepted it has become.

 

[PennEd]

You may not realise it but you are on the wrong side of your historic analogy. You are seeking to enforce your morality upon everybody.

So not wanting my Church to be persecuted for not performing and otherwise accepting transgenderism and homosexual marriage. And fighting against the removal of children from a Christian home because the parents refuse to acknowledge that their son demands to be referred to as a girl is forcing my morality on others!!?

Examine yourself brother. Your statements are becoming absurd.

 

[Aaron56]

Sometimes the choice is between good and best. More often these days it is between bad and worse. Not choosing bad generally leads to worse.
If not voting seems good to you, consider the hardship that others might endure.

The standard for Christian choices is "yes" and "no". We have no provision for "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." Just like there is no provision for the lesser of two evils: we must never choose evil, no matter the quantity.

Nevertheless, the greater error is to think voting can save the country when, in fact, all countries, and terrestrial regions of rule, will succumb to the anti-Christ.

Ironically, it is more anti-Christ for a believer to vote for a little smidgen of evil : "But if you don't vote for a little evil the greater evil will prevail." This is the same exchange offered in the garden by Satan, ironically, also to the woman who should know better, the Church.

It is true, we have a responsibility to care for those who are given to us. The political machine cannot prevent the kingdom of God from going forth from our lives to others.

 

[Poinsetta]

A great majority of Americans favor 'Gay Marriage'. The US Congress, Supreme Court, and the President are leading the charge to 'codify' gay marriage. They want to teach this as morally acceptable, to children in schools.

Unfortunately, this puts Christians in a spot. Jesus clearly stated that 'Marriage' is between a man and a woman."

So, Christians will have to make their choice, as the ways of the USA and Jesus are directly opposed to one another.

Personally, I'll stick with what Jesus teaches.

NOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Aaron56]

There's NO SUCH THING as a "gay" (homosexual) MARRIAGE.

In the kingdom of God or according to U.S. law?

 

[Aaron56]

So not wanting my Church to be persecuted for not performing and otherwise accepting transgenderism and homosexual marriage. And fighting against the removal of children from a Christian home because the parents refuse to acknowledge that their son demands to be referred to as a girl is forcing my morality on others!!?

Examine yourself brother. Your statements are becoming absurd.

If the church is a 501c3 (a binding, legal agreement) they will likely have to comply with federal statutes, eventually.

If the church is not a 501c3 they are free to follow the Lord.

Consider the response from the believers when John and Peter reported that they had been threatened to cease from speaking what God had given them to speak:

"And being let go, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24 So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God with one accord and said: “Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them, 25 who by the mouth of Your servant David have said:

‘Why did the nations rage,
And the people plot vain things?
26 The kings of the earth took their stand,
And the rulers were gathered together
Against the Lord and against His Christ.’

27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done. 29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”

31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness."

In essence, the believers responded with "PUT US IN THE FIGHT, TOO, THAT WE MAY ALSO BE A BOLD WITNESS!"

There was no letter-writing campaign to Senators, no marches, no "get out the vote", no calls to change the government, ONLY CALLS TO GOD TO CHANGE THEIR OWN HEARTS.

This is the correct, Biblical response of the non-501c3 church. They knew their only obligation was to the Lord and to the Spirit who guided them.

 

[Cameron143]

The standard for Christian choices is "yes" and "no". We have no provision for "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." Just like there is no provision for the lesser of two evils: we must never choose evil, no matter the quantity.

Nevertheless, the greater error is to think voting can save the country when, in fact, all countries, and terrestrial regions of rule, will succumb to the anti-Christ.

Ironically, it is more anti-Christ for a believer to vote for a little smidgen of evil : "But if you don't vote for a little evil the greater evil will prevail." This is the same exchange offered in the garden by Satan, ironically, also to the woman who should know better, the Church.

It is true, we have a responsibility to care for those who are given to us. The political machine cannot prevent the kingdom of God from going forth from our lives to others.

The standard for Christian behavior is love. You are free to follow your conscience, but don't pretend that you don't understand one choice will not affect people more detrimentally than another. While no one can know exactly what the future will hold, some things are self evident.
I respect that your decision is your own to make and that we all will have to give an account for the things we have done, I was offering another perspective. Often the children of this world are wiser than the children of God.

 

[Cameron143]

The standard for Christian choices is "yes" and "no". We have no provision for "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." Just like there is no provision for the lesser of two evils: we must never choose evil, no matter the quantity.

Nevertheless, the greater error is to think voting can save the country when, in fact, all countries, and terrestrial regions of rule, will succumb to the anti-Christ.

Ironically, it is more anti-Christ for a believer to vote for a little smidgen of evil : "But if you don't vote for a little evil the greater evil will prevail." This is the same exchange offered in the garden by Satan, ironically, also to the woman who should know better, the Church.

It is true, we have a responsibility to care for those who are given to us. The political machine cannot prevent the kingdom of God from going forth from our lives to others.

Also, inferring what I believe is an assumption on your part. Your assumed yes was actually a no.

 

[Aaron56]

The standard for Christian behavior is love. You are free to follow your conscience, but don't pretend that you don't understand one choice will not affect people more detrimentally than another. While no one can know exactly what the future will hold, some things are self evident.
I respect that your decision is your own to make and that we all will have to give an account for the things we have done, I was offering another perspective. Often the children of this world are wiser than the children of God.

Standard for Christian choice... not behavior. "Let your "yes" be "yes" and your "no" be "no"". (Matthew 5:37 "Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.")

The U.S. government always acts to preserve itself. The myth of U.S. greatness above the will of God has infiltrated the mind of the church beyond all reason. It actually kicked up in the 70s during the call for a "moral majority". We should have seen it then: transplanting "moral" for "Christian" was more politically expedient but necessarily opened the door to muslims, cult members, and moral unbelievers. However, the movement was never from God; God never makes concessions to increase popularity. And now the most energetic voting block, middle-aged men and women, think there was nothing before the moral movement took root in the U.S. It's a failure of the church to teach the elementary principle of eternal judgement, where things are judged according to eternal standards.

 

[Cameron143]

Standard for Christian choice... not behavior. "Let your "yes" be "yes" and your "no" be "no"". (Matthew 5:37 "Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.")

The U.S. government always acts to preserve itself. The myth of U.S. greatness above the will of God has infiltrated the mind of the church beyond all reason. It actually kicked up in the 70s during the call for a "moral majority". We should have seen it then: transplanting "moral" for "Christian" was more politically expedient but necessarily opened the door to muslims, cult members, and moral unbelievers. However, the movement was never from God; God never makes concessions to increase popularity. And now the most energetic voting block, middle-aged men and women, think there was nothing before the moral movement took root in the U.S. It's a failure of the church to teach the elementary principle of eternal judgement, where things are judged according to eternal standards.

Choices lead to action or inaction. What we believe leads to what we do.
But again I respect your decision. It's yours, not mine to make.

 

[CS1]

Gay marriage is here today because the Church comprises the word of God. Now we see politicians admitting the United States population is in decline. Chuck Schumer said that is why we need illegal aliens here.
We are in decline because the Judgment of God is on this nation with 61 million abortions, the promotions of perversion coming from the LBGTQ demonic movement that has crept into the Church. The family is all most gone. The one God intended to be is anyway.


So goes the nation that Forgets God. the evil now has spiraled down from two consenting adults of the same sex in a relationship to a hell-bent driven desire to have sex with children. Even a calculated reforming of children to think they were a mistake and born as the wrong gender, and this is being taught in our public schools today, agree or not.

We are about to see happen to the United States the very thing that happened to Isreal; our nation will be given to another. Why? Too much given much required, and we have offended the living God. And people are not wakening from their deception, and our enemies are about to strike. CCP Iran and N. Korea all have us over a barrier. 40 % of one party said they would not defend the United States if invaded. Our military is a social experiment not prepared to fight and win wars. We are at the Mercy of God, who has kept us from disaster. Most are still playing games. No, you have not been held in the balance this very day and found wanting. I will give your land to another and send you into Captivity. Young people in the church are not engaging. They are sucked dry by technology and smartphones. Biblically illiterate, with no relationship, and don't desire to be in the presence of GOD. Our hearts should be broken. We need a move of God and repentance like never before, but many will not do what it takes to get there.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

those rights will only be won by prayer, it is a war, a spiritual war. we got to pull down those strongholds . To seek to achieve victory through the legislature was always the lazy way, it was always doomed to failure. As in the famous monkey trial of the 50s.

I would not say the church is spiritually lazy, but christians do not know WHO they are and WHAT they have.

I think we should be fighting on more than one front. I agree that prayer should be the backbone of our efforts and nothing will be
won without it. Having said that, The Church should not have been silent while evil laws were introduced.
(I am thinking of our country now not The USA).

Some Christians are politically active, some are not comfortable with that. Of course the main war is in the heavenlies but
we should pray for discernment to understand the times we are living in. Is it God's will that we allow our governing class
to make laws without our consent?

‘Except the Lord build the House, they labour in vain that build it.’ This quote from Psalm 127:1 is inscribed in Latin in the stone floor
of the Central Lobby of Britain’s Parliament. If parliament are legislating for things that are an abomination to God, The Church is right to oppose them. We are standing on The Word.

If The Lord & his law isn't the central pillar of that house, they will fall. It's not lazy to oppose unjust laws and advocate for Christian ones, it's a difficult, uphill struggle in today's climate. Ministering to the hurts of gay people in The Church could be made more difficult
under a "conversion therapy" ban.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/ban-conversion-therapy
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/banning-conversion-therapy/banning-conversion-therapy


https://christianconcern.com/

 

[Cameron143]

I think we should be fighting on more than one front. I agree that prayer should be the backbone of our efforts and nothing will be
won without it. Having said that, The Church should not have been silent while evil laws were introduced.
(I am thinking of our country now not The USA).

Some Christians are politically active, some are not comfortable with that. Of course the main war is in the heavenlies but
we should pray for discernment to understand the times we are living in. Is it God's will that we allow our governing class
to make laws without our consent?

‘Except the Lord build the House, they labour in vain that build it.’ This quote from Psalm 127:1 is inscribed in Latin in the stone floor
of the Central Lobby of Britain’s Parliament. If parliament are legislating for things that are an abomination to God, The Church is right to oppose them. We are standing on The Word.

If The Lord & his law isn't the central pillar of that house, they will fall. It's not lazy to oppose unjust laws and advocate for Christian ones, it's a difficult, uphill struggle in today's climate. Ministering to the hurts of gay people in The Church could be made more difficult
under a "conversion therapy" ban.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/ban-conversion-therapy
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/banning-conversion-therapy/banning-conversion-therapy


https://christianconcern.com/

William Wilberforce comes to mind.

 

[Aaron56]

Ministering to the hurts of gay people in The Church could be made more difficult under a "conversion therapy" ban.

Only if the church entered into a legally binding agreement with the government: 501c3. If there is no agreement there is no legal recourse against the church.

 

[Aaron56]

I think we should be fighting on more than one front.

Ah, the UK is a bit of a different animal. I'm not familiar with UK law although I would imagine the Church of England has influenced the ratification of similar provisions like 501c3 in the U.S.

 

[SomeDisciple]

So you voted for a serial philanderer then? Wow. Such mental gymnastics to assuage guilt!

No mental gymnastics required; but since you moved the goalpost, I'll kick the ball further this time: God put pharoah; who was outright wicked into power, and Cyrus of whom he said he did not know God.

Also, who besides politicians actually uses the term "philanderer"?

Nevertheless, the greater error is to think voting can save the country when, in fact, all countries, and terrestrial regions of rule, will succumb to the anti-Christ.

Since it's very unlikely you don't know the time or season, or precisely how he comes to power, that's not an excuse to simply hand over power to people that want to put wicked policies in place and persecute Christians.

There was no letter-writing campaign to Senators,

Yeah... probably because the Roman Senate worked a lot different.

no marches, no "get out the vote",

Probably because they couldn't vote.

no calls to change the government

Probably because that would get them killed, because they had no right to do so.

Totally different scenarios.

This is the correct, Biblical response of the non-501c3 church. They knew their only obligation was to the Lord and to the Spirit who guided them.

Again, you're comparing a scenario where most of the saints would have little to no role in government and comparing to saints in America that all have a role in government. It's not the same.

Ironically, it is more anti-Christ for a believer to vote for a little smidgen of evil

What is ironic is that you would call Trump-voters "anti-christ" while you stand by and watch an evil government take power and call for the persecution of Christians. But it's the Trump-voters that are delusional...

 

[Aaron56]

No mental gymnastics required; but since you moved the goalpost, I'll kick the ball further this time: God put pharoah; who was outright wicked into power, and Cyrus of whom he said he did not know God.

Also, who besides politicians actually uses the term "philanderer"?

Since it's very unlikely you don't know the time or season, or precisely how he comes to power, that's not an excuse to simply hand over power to people that want to put wicked policies in place and persecute Christians.

Yeah... probably because the Roman Senate worked a lot different.

Probably because they couldn't vote.

Probably because that would get them killed, because they had no right to do so.

Totally different scenarios.

Again, you're comparing a scenario where most of the saints would have little to no role in government and comparing to saints in America that all have a role in government. It's not the same.

Sometimes, God let's the people choose their own king:

"They set up kings, but not by Me. They make princes, but without My approval. With their silver and gold they make themselves idols, to their own destruction."

What is ironic is that you would call Trump-voters "anti-christ" while you stand by and watch an evil government take power and call for the persecution of Christians. But it's the Trump-voters that are delusional...

Interesting that you equate not voting to "standing by" and watching. It's nearly a unique American way of thinking.

You chose Trump as your representative. And I see his character doesn't bother you. You had a choice. And you still supported Trump even when his debauchery was on display in video and audio record. You feared what another man would do and you chose the serial philanderer and liar to represent you in politics. Like a harlot, you chased after the based of man because he promised you something you wanted while giving up your dignity. That man won't persecute you until he gets what he wants from you: that's the business of harlotry. Then he'll cast you off like his porn stars and one-night trysts.

He's back now. Running for another term. For those who can hear His voice, the Lord will extend an opportunity to repent.

 

[SomeDisciple]

"They set up kings, but not by Me. They make princes, but without My approval. With their silver and gold they make themselves idols, to their own destruction."

What is the context of Hosea 8, though? This is during the two kingdoms period where kings in Israel. This is what happened:

Then Baasha son of Ahijah of the house of Issachar conspired against Nadab, and Baasha struck him down at Gibbethon of the Philistines while Nadab and all Israel were besieging the city. 28In the third year of Asa’s reign over Judah, Baasha killed Nadab and reigned in his place.
They literally conspired to murder the king and replace him with a usurper. While Baasha himself was "lifted up" by God, this conspiracy is not the manner in which he should have been set up as King.

In the twenty-seventh year of Asa’s reign over Judah, Zimri reigned in Tirzah for seven days. Now the troops were encamped against Gibbethon of the Philistines, 16and the people in the camp heard that Zimri had not only conspired but had also struck down the king. So there in the camp that very day, all Israel proclaimed Omri, the commander of the army, king over Israel.
As you can see, there was another consipiracy, instead of seeking out a prophet as to see how this transfer of the kingdom should be done. They act exactly the opposite way King David did when he took the kingdom from Saul. After the conspiracy was figured out, the people simply proclaimed Omri to be king.

So you see, like people that commit election fraud, these people bypassed the normal procedures for crowning a king. And that is how "they set up kings, but not by me. They make princes, but without My approval."

You chose Trump as your representative.

I chose him as a servant.

And I see his character doesn't bother you.

Not any more than the character of other unbelievers; that is, if he is still an unbeliever.

You feared what another man would do and you chose the serial philanderer and liar to represent you in politics.

Again... who else besides politicians actually uses the word "philanderer"?

That man won't persecute you until he gets what he wants from you: that's the business of harlotry. Then he'll cast you off like his porn stars and one-night trysts.

Are you one of his ex-girlfriends or something?

 

[Cameron143]

What is the context of Hosea 8, though? This is during the two kingdoms period where kings in Israel. This is what happened:

Then Baasha son of Ahijah of the house of Issachar conspired against Nadab, and Baasha struck him down at Gibbethon of the Philistines while Nadab and all Israel were besieging the city. 28In the third year of Asa’s reign over Judah, Baasha killed Nadab and reigned in his place.
They literally conspired to murder the king and replace him with a usurper. While Baasha himself was "lifted up" by God, this conspiracy is not the manner in which he should have been set up as King.

In the twenty-seventh year of Asa’s reign over Judah, Zimri reigned in Tirzah for seven days. Now the troops were encamped against Gibbethon of the Philistines, 16and the people in the camp heard that Zimri had not only conspired but had also struck down the king. So there in the camp that very day, all Israel proclaimed Omri, the commander of the army, king over Israel.
As you can see, there was another consipiracy, instead of seeking out a prophet as to see how this transfer of the kingdom should be done. They act exactly the opposite way King David did when he took the kingdom from Saul. After the conspiracy was figured out, the people simply proclaimed Omri to be king.

So you see, like people that commit election fraud, these people bypassed the normal procedures for crowning a king. And that is how "they set up kings, but not by me. They make princes, but without My approval."

I chose him as a servant.

Not any more than the character of other unbelievers; that is, if he is still an unbeliever.

Again... who else besides politicians actually uses the word "philanderer"?

Are you one of his ex-girlfriends or something?

Funny but not nice. Now you will have to double repent.