Modest dress

[Locoponydirtman]

Modest can be subjective and vary greatly from one culture to another. I like to think more along the lines of reverent, but even thst is somewhat objective. Because it des with the heart its really not something that can be judged from the out side unless there is extreme situations or verbal confession kf the persons intent.
This is an example. One of my sons wears blues jeans, cowboy boots, a t-shirt, and one of my button down shop shirts with my name tag on it. He finds it to be very reverent to dress this way. It epitomizes the concept, "just as I am". To him its a full disclosure statement of who he is before man and God.
Your judgements are your own sin and you meed to deal with that between you and God. This is the very type of judgement Jesus warns against. We are to judge objectively between good and evil. Sin is well defined, and we are to call sin as sin. There are things that are purely internal and things that are subjective, we have no grounds to judge those things. A persons clothes are just that a case of internal amd subjectivity.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Sorry for all the typos.

 

[Lanolin]

why not wear a sheet
Ive seen so many unclothed naked statues in Europe (most be a european thing? ) that it hurts my eyes. Maybe Europe was warmer back in the day.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I dont judge folks based on their clothes. I do look at folks' shoes. Not to judge them, but shoes tell alot about a person. (Not if they are good or bad people, but about their life.)
Its interesting. If a fella wears cowboy boots as dress shoes, or loafers, or even sneakers. Ya kind of get an idea about their personality, interests, or work, and even lifestyle. Its kind of neat.

 

[JonathanBentley]

My bible school teacher made a point. It says he that looketh on a woman to lust has already committed adultery "with her" in his heart. With her being that she is guilty too. It's almost impossible to lust after women that are fully clothed but some women are guilty of being half nude.

 

[ResidentAlien]

My bible school teacher made a point. It says he that looketh on a woman to lust has already committed adultery "with her" in his heart. With her being that she is guilty too. It's almost impossible to lust after women that are fully clothed but some women are guilty of being half nude.

With all due respect, I can't agree with this at all.

If a man lusts after a woman it's his responsibility and he alone has sinned. If you say a woman is guilty along with him, it's a step away from saying she's partly to blame if he attacks her. She may be guilty of something if she dresses provocatively to get attention, but not as a participant with the man in his sin.

Men who can't control themselves will lust after a woman if she's covered from head to foot. The problem is in his head and imagination, not in the woman.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

My bible school teacher made a point. It says he that looketh on a woman to lust has already committed adultery "with her" in his heart. With her being that she is guilty too. It's almost impossible to lust after women that are fully clothed but some women are guilty of being half nude.

She is guilty of nothing in the matter, unless her intent is to tempt. No one outside can judge that unless there is obvious extremes or confession. That would be a heart matter.
And its not even remotely true that its nearly impossible to lust after a fully clothed woman. Human sin has no bounds. Shifting blame to the woman is the opposite of repentance and or self control.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

A man is responsible for himself, even if she is scantily clad or even full on nude. She is responsible for her sin and He his.
Repentant Godly men own their sin and repent before God. Adam in his folly blamed Eve. Its best to learn to walk straight on away from a seductress with out hesitation.

 

[ResidentAlien]

A man is responsible for himself, even if she is scantily clad or even full on nude.

Right, turn around and run if you have to!

 

[Edify]

With all due respect, I can't agree with this at all.

If a man lusts after a woman it's his responsibility and he alone has sinned. If you say a woman is guilty along with him, it's a step away from saying she's partly to blame if he attacks her. She may be guilty of something if she dresses provocatively to get attention, but not as a participant with the man in his sin.

Men who can't control themselves will lust after a woman if she's covered from head to foot. The problem is in his head and imagination, not in the woman.

A one-sided view doesn't fix the problem.
He who lusts after women has committed sin. But if a woman promotes lust, she is also guilty.
Immodest dress can be for many reasons. Dressing to kill or impress the flesh has its roots in pride & arrogance.
Those who provoke lust, as well as those who purposely provoke jealousy & envy are sinning.
There will be those who don't know these things such as new converts. We all are guilty if we see & don't properly teach modesty.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Which of you would want to be left in the dark?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Modest can be subjective and vary greatly from one culture to another. I like to think more along the lines of reverent, but even thst is somewhat objective. Because it des with the heart its really not something that can be judged from the out side unless there is extreme situations or verbal confession kf the persons intent.
This is an example. One of my sons wears blues jeans, cowboy boots, a t-shirt, and one of my button down shop shirts with my name tag on it. He finds it to be very reverent to dress this way. It epitomizes the concept, "just as I am". To him its a full disclosure statement of who he is before man and God.
Your judgements are your own sin and you meed to deal with that between you and God. This is the very type of judgement Jesus warns against. We are to judge objectively between good and evil. Sin is well defined, and we are to call sin as sin. There are things that are purely internal and things that are subjective, we have no grounds to judge those things. A persons clothes are just that a case of internal amd subjectivity.

I think you have a point, because there are Biblical dress standards and there is human / culture fashions. Those change quite a lot and may or may not be within Biblical boundaries. There are many options God allows. Plus, the woman in the full black Islamic covering I posted earlier in this thread would not be considered modest in a cultural sense. Why, it covers ever body part but the hands and is solid black?
It's not modest due to being revealing, but due to the fact that it draws attention to the person in just about every culture.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

My bible school teacher made a point. It says he that looketh on a woman to lust has already committed adultery "with her" in his heart. With her being that she is guilty too. It's almost impossible to lust after women that are fully clothed but some women are guilty of being half nude.

That can be a big topic.
There are so many examples of those common temptations and prohibitions of the sins of the eyes and flesh in the Bible from Genesis 6 to Samson, throughout the N.T.
Many Proverbs warn about the "strange woman..." Some men lust after women of any degree of modesty or immodesty and vice versa. That's on them. There are also plenty of both sexes who try their best to tempt others visually. That's on them. Certainly Sunday School teachers, pastors and parents should teach dress standards to be modest. There are different views on what that looks like, but there have always been women trying to attract men inappropriately. That doesn't give anyone the excuse to touch them and I don't judge your teacher for saying that as you did not mention anything about it.

 

[Lanolin]

lots of women wear earrings and jewellery that show off how rich they are.
Men dont so much.

I think in the Bible modesty isnt about showing of your flesh body so much as how wealthy you are - eg gold, pearls, costly array, embroidered hair etc.
It didnt say anything about wearing a swimsuit or how tight anything is or short or anything like that.

When its hot weather you cant go round covered head to toe all the time.

 

[Lanolin]

'Costly array' pretty much means expensive clothes. eg The devil wears Prada. lol

It does not mean 'my jeans are ripped'. If your jeans are ripped, it probably means you are too poor to afford new ones.

 

[ResidentAlien]

A one-sided view doesn't fix the problem.
He who lusts after women has committed sin. But if a woman promotes lust, she is also guilty.[/SIZE]

Spoken like a man who can't control himself. I know, let's blame the woman for my lack of self-control.

 

[Dino246]

Eunuchs in the Bible we’re not trans people.

I agree with what you intended to write...

but what you wrote is funny!

 

[John146]

I agree with what you intended to write...

but what you wrote is funny!

omg, I wrote we're not were...that's funny, not true, but funny

 

[justahumanbeing]

Eunuchs in the Bible we’re not trans people.

No? How do you know? What is a Trans person? Today those who go and operate and make an alteration to their gender are referred to as transgender. There are Transgender communities in India that castrate the person without an operation. So that happens. And once it is done, they become unworthy of salvation and cannot find their way back to God? I don't think so. And God does not ostracise any gender in the Bible. A Eunuch is a man without the male sex organ. Castrated. So where do all those people go? All should be welcome in the Church. Just because the Church allows transgenders in Church community doesn't mean that they are automatically saved. It's a chance for them to find their way back to God. And the doors must always be open for that.

 

[justahumanbeing]

You made some good points about appropriately dressing for the occasion.
You also brought up a point that I just happened to come across in this book review yesterday morning. This is the first time I've read your comment, so perhaps this was meant for both of us.
This link,
The Difference Between Eunuchs, Homosexualsand Transexuals ,

was a brief review of a book that contributes to confusion about eunuchs as the Bible describes. When you read the KJV bible, Daniel and his three friends were made eunuchs when they were kidnapped and taken to Babylon. These boys weren't Transexual, they were castrated against their will. Some ministers these days are teaching that the term eunuch means that a man is physically attracted to other men. That is a false teaching that is leading believers to accept that sin into the churches, so the proper definitions and Bible translation is important to me. I'm not saying that you think that's ok. I'm just describing how many in the USA have been persuaded.
Let me know what you think about the short review. I'd like to know your opinion.

You made some good points about appropriately dressing for the occasion.
You also brought up a point that I just happened to come across in this book review yesterday morning. This is the first time I've read your comment, so perhaps this was meant for both of us.
This link,
The Difference Between Eunuchs, Homosexualsand Transexuals ,

was a brief review of a book that contributes to confusion about eunuchs as the Bible describes. When you read the KJV bible, Daniel and his three friends were made eunuchs when they were kidnapped and taken to Babylon. These boys weren't Transexual, they were castrated against their will. Some ministers these days are teaching that the term eunuch means that a man is physically attracted to other men. That is a false teaching that is leading believers to accept that sin into the churches, so the proper definitions and Bible translation is important to me. I'm not saying that you think that's ok. I'm just describing how many in the USA have been persuaded.
Let me know what you think about the short review. I'd like to know your opinion.

Brother the book review is lengthy. Same sex marriage is not the Christian way. The Church teaches against it. Paul condemns it in his letters. God rained Sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah to destroy people who practiced it. And people who are Bisexual, Transexual (those who go make a gender alteration procedure) do commit a sin in God's eyes if they were born as a healthy natural male or female. But if for some defective genital reason or some difference there, that operation is made. And it's a rare occurrence. Then, does that mean those people aren't qualified to enter heaven? No. They need to be welcomed into the Church. Because they were born with such a defect and underwent an operation.

But a healthy male or female changing their God given gender or body is a sin in God's eyes. It does not disqualify them from entering a Church. But it does mean that they are living with sin and will have to work their way towards salvation by renouncing their actions and asking God's forgiveness. There is no sin God cannot forgive. But the person who commits such a sin must be willing to repent and come back to God and follow what God says through the Bible. The idea of sex is procreation. For this reason, Men are naturally attracted to women. And women desire men. With pornography and the sexual revolution and such perversions in our society, things have changed. We as Christians are called to live a life in Christ. It is never okay to follow those ways. As the only way God meant for sex to be enjoyed was in a family and for the reason of bringing forth children and have that familial bond. Where the Husband represents Christ and the wife represents the Church. And the union of Husband and wife through sex means that is symbolic of Christ's love for His Church. And that is right in God's eyes.

 

[Lanolin]

Jesus wasnt actually interested in sexual reproduction, also, Judas kissed him. ew.